Is there any substantive value to this book or is it just porn? I got about 60 pages in and while oddly fascinatingly...

Is there any substantive value to this book or is it just porn? I got about 60 pages in and while oddly fascinatingly, that may only be due to the fact that this is just porn. Discuss.

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>porn has no substantive value

it has as much substative value as watching a cat try to get into the treats on the top shelf of the pantry unsuccessfully

Remove that “>”
Porn has no substantive value

Whatever good you may get from porn you're better off getting from real life.

that is indeed the assertion I am making

An insight into depravity, I guess. Although at this point all of the content seems pretty common fare to us, so perhaps it also has value in the sense that it shows us our depravity.

so... anybody got anything good to say in this thread?

apparently Sade was 5'2''

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indeed

>Although at this point all of the content seems pretty common fare to us
Corprophilia, torture and snuff is still pretty firmly on the fringes.

for you

Its a good insight into Sade's mind more than anything. It goes from over-explanation at the very start after the second part it devolves into what amount to lists of violent and perverse sex acts.
If you are interested in Sade and perverts in general, its a good read to understand their mindset or deviant sexual preferences. It is still basically porn though.

For pretty much everyone.

I'm going to order it because I enjoyed Camus' essays on Sade and Pasolini's rendition. I think it's more an exploration of liberty - to its most extreme form, where it's no longer "free". The violence and power in Pasolini's film is almost deterministic and he says that fascists are the truest libertines. Camus points out the contradictory philosophy, how wanting to do absolutely anything becomes a type of moral or slavery.

By "everyone" do you mean people who don't visit this site? Who cares about those people?

its a nice lil book for the kids, recommended reading along lotr or narnia

If you just want his ideas read Philosophie dans le boudoir

>By "everyone" do you mean people who don't visit this site?
For the most part

>Who cares about those people?
Using Veeky Forums as a sociological barometer is generally a bad idea.

My life's a bad idea, nigga.

I'll agree with you on that

The description for Juliette sounds pretty interesting en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_(novel)
"Juliette is an amoral nymphomaniac murderer who is successful and happy."

You win the internet reddit XD

>abridged

Speaking of de Sade, some French asshole made an album based on his novels but I can't find in anywhere. I'd especially like to listen to the song "Justine Eats the Shit of a Monk"

discogs.com/Jean-Louis-Costes-Plays-Marquis-De-Sade-Justine/release/3651939

Napoleon knew what to do with this degeneracy

Partake in it?

Why did the French Revolutionary mobs let Sade out the Bastille then?

Apollinaire is way better.

This hits it pretty good.
The later half of the book is rather raw in Evey regard. It just lists depraved stuff they do without any storytelling device.
I think Safe just scribbled down ideas at that point.
Still I think the book is somewhat interesting as a concept and the guy did break some boundaries.

In Florida pornography is a health hazard whereas guns are OK

If you're interested in that, you should probably read Justine, or the Misfortunes of Virtue first because Juliette is a companion piece to that novel (although to be more specific, it's a companion to The New Justine, an extraordinarily long and more explicit version of the story that has yet to be published in English).

I'm a fairly new Sade reader but Justine seems like a good introduction in general just on the basis that it doesn't get as monotonous as 120 Days or share the 1,200-page length of Juliette. It's basically scenes of sexual violence and torture bookended by philosophical dialogues in which various aristocrats expound upon the glory of vice over virtue and their specific brands of moral relativity. It's also much more comedic than you'd expect between having a paragon of religious innocence trying to describe getting railed with a 12" penis through 18th century euphemism (Juliette does away with this by its explicit descriptions and continuous use of "fuck" and "cunt") and how the plot just becomes the ridiculous inevitability of Justine getting captured by libertines over and over and over again. I have the Oxford edition and it does a good job situating its context within 18th century France as well as providing a succinct overview of Sade's life.

if you get shot and you're in communion with God you go to heaven, but if you touch your phallus and get AIDS you'll go to hell for sure

Porn does because it’s subject to minimal censorship. This means you can communicate hard truths without restraint.

truth is a spook

>drunkenly rambles to you about the artistic mastery of Jamie Gillis

Veeky Forums is porn

>When will they ever learn learn
Idk, but you're just as retarded

>2018
>s.he doesn't know Mistress Gaia

Read "Sade my neighbour" by Pierre Klossowski.

1. Revolutionary mob wasn't Napoleon
2. The current lineage of visual pornography has it's roots with subversive political cartoons originally meant to denigrate the nobility and clergy, but then, after the revolutionary, simply continued on has erotica.
3. I don't know why. Because he was there?

As someone who has herpes and hep c from sharing sex people and syringes I found him to just be an aesthetic presentation of things i already intuitively knew.

But if you are a catholic or straight edge or something you might find a lot of value in his work.

"Justine is the most abominable book ever engendered by the most depraved imagination."
-Man who couldn't stop trying to be his father

Just go watch the movie