The time when I was reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra was probably the most productive and self-disciplined I have been in my life. Since then I slowly came back to my old degenerate self.
Why does it have this effect? Maybe is just me being a impressionable faggot? Now I'm reading Ecce Homo and I'm starting to feel the same.
I know there are lots of people who can't get their shit together lurking around here. I would strongly reccomend this two books to everyone to everyone "struggling" with that gay shit, (you could also call it lack of struggle) even if you are a complete pseud pleb who hasn't started with the greeks and is not well read in philosophy, just don't go around pretending you understand Nietzsche's thought. Its much better than wasting your time reading crap like DFW. Just saying.
The time when I was reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra was probably the most productive and self-disciplined I have been in...
pictures of papa Fred after he went crazy make me real sad plz no more of this OP
Gaze the abyss you fucking faggot. Here is a memey one, happy now?
Thus Spoke Zarathustra had a similar effect on me, as did Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics. However I haven't relapsed yet. I try to reread TSZ every year.
>Using TSZ as a self help book
At least you're reading, I guess.
That cover is ugly. Delet
>>Using TSZ as a self help book
Whats so wrong about that? People can use books however you want, usually in multiple ways, comfort, human connection, scapism, though experiment (Borges is one of the best examples of this), knowledge source, inspiration, etc.
I really doubt Nietzsche wanted his writings to be just academicist autism.
Nothing "wrong" with that. It's just, you know, sad. I think Nietzsche is the thinker that understood our civilization most profoundly and the realization that we've reached a point of such complacency with ourselves to the point that the only ways we use a message such as his are either sterile intellectual masturbation or self help just irks me in a weird way. Life is so banal.
Sorry, pardon my autism.
He was all about healthiness and self overcoming. I think he would have liked to see that his writing were making people test themselves more than inspiring stuff like deconstruction or some aspects of feminism and much of the leftism twist his thought suffered from in the 60's.
I really don't get why it makes you sad. What would your "ideal" reading of Nietzsche be?
Also, is not like his thought didnt inspire national socialism (therefor, somehow helping the biggest war in history happen) and tons and tons of artists. His works has trascended the "academic wankery" and "self help" false dichotomy you spooked yourseld into creating.
I don't know what my ideal read reading on him would be. An overcoming of all our cretinous preoccupations? A return to ourselves? We actually get down and build a decent civilization? No idea.
I'm talking more about present day.
Also I quote like Deleuze, u gay.
>I don't know what my ideal read reading on him would be. An overcoming of all our cretinous preoccupations? A return to ourselves? We actually get down and build a decent civilization?
Hmmm all that sounds like good old collectivist spookism desu, and thats like, really gay 'knowwhatimsayin?
>much better than wasting your time reading crap like DFW
But user, Infinite Jest and The Pale King could be used as "motivation" in the exact same way you're using Nietzsche, maybe even more so.
>he wasn't inspired after reading about Don Gately enduring his lack of painkillers
Nietzsche does it in less than 200 pages better than DFW in two books, at least for me. If you find DFW growing more fire inside you that Nietzsche, thats great.
And I wouldnt really call it motivation, it just puts things in the perfect perspective. Reading the entire works of Nietzsche would never motivate me to work on McDonalds.
Don't measure your valleys against your peaks, OP. Is your most recent low point higher than your previous one? If so you're getting better. Keep absorbing similar material. Man's Search for Meaning, Abolition of Man, Marcus Aurelius and especially Revolt of the Masses had that effect on me too, and i find myself inevitably backsliding, but less each time
checked
Man is a creature of habit, as the Greeks were so fond of moralizing over.
I feel the same about Ecce homo, it motivated me like nothing else to work on my character.
Well, my previous down was doing opiates, my current down is doing nothing all day and masturbating a lot until uni starts. I unironically don't know which is worse.
I actually like it desu
Nah
I do the same with Beyond Good and Evil.
I did not really like TSG but i think i was reading a garnett-tier translation. At the risk of sounding like a fag does anyone know a good translation?
This
praxis praxis praxis
This is your average litfag everyone.
Zarathustra is shit. It would have been a lot better if all of it was in the spirit of the first few pages, not Zarathustra just talking. You can practically feel Nietzsche's larping through the writing.
If reading that had any positive effects imagine how brain dead you are.
>It would have been a lot better if all of it was in the spirit of the first few pages
the first part was like an ouverture, by definition different from the rest of the work because it contains the main themes in embryonic high density mode.
>larping
meaningless buzzword like >memeing
>nietzsche is only larping as hero of this book, he isn't that badass irl
deep mang
What?
this book ruined me. after finishing it i started trading cryptos. i wanted to be free like zarathustra, not depending on anything.
that was in the beginning of last year. now im rich and i think about killing myself everyday. my last hope is la mettrie. i want to be happy again
Wtf?
Can you give me some money?
Where do I start with this fucker? TSZ or something else?
On the genealogy of morals
So you talk bullshit and give back nothing, so insightful advice by a competent man.
He is autistic
The greeks
I'm just sad that history ended and now everything is so banal.
>better than DFW
that’s a given, you could read a teriyaki restaurant menu and be spending your time more wisely than reading IJ
you shouldn’t start with Ecce Homo at all, if you’re going to be a pseud and initiate with Zarathustra (which i did) then pair it with BGE
Who cares I already started it
Shut the fuck up
Is pic related dead? Looks weird.
>I don't know what my ideal read reading on him would be. An overcoming of all our cretinous preoccupations? A return to ourselves?
So basically a self help book. Got it.
>It's just, you know, sad.
Not that guy, but everyone heals differently. Nietzsche was the one who put me back together as well.
In our modern world, it's only natural for a man to gravitate towards Nietzschean thinking. The scientific and enlightenment values which were anathema to him have intensified to a universal extent in our modern west, so that there is no escape but from within until the upholstery institutions may collapse.
no, just crazy
It makes him sad because he can't comprehend the schizoid outlook. A schizoid is a true individualist, outcast who doesn't feel the need to socialise and only focuses inwardly. Not everyone can grasp this and many avoidants are actually aiming for the schizoid status out of elitism. That book helps. Voluntary loneliness as an escapism, coping solution is a pretty good way of hunting your own existence and overcoming your drives. It's a stoic crucible.
t. KHV
Read the Bible, Either/or by Soren Kierkegaard and Crime and punishment
You sound insufferable.
thanks but im done with these kinds of books. the feelings of guilt are just too much for me sometimes. i know what i have to do, i have to eleminate my super ego. thus reading la mettrie is like therapie for me.
Thanks for the input
Americans shouldn't be allowed to read Nietzsche honestly, they always manage to read him in the most shallow way possible.
He was a nihilist you dumb idiot, he embraced it
>He was a nihilist you dumb idiot
6/10, got me to reply
>He doesn't think Nietzsche was a nihilist
>He thinks he is smart for the ol' 'Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist' argument
Ok tell me what his objective point of reference for morallity was and which things he hold to have inherent value
The pleb is so basic he cant understand how could someone rage against nihilism and be a nihilist in order to attack it in it's own game at the same time in order to not recreate the same way of thinking he showed to be the source of the nihilism in the modern condition
Sad!
Dude this nihilist totally raged against nihilism haha checkmate