Does Veeky Forums believe in God?

Nah senpai it just helps us both know what we're both talking about, to avoid misunderstanding. Ya feel me?

No. This meme needs to die.

Unironically: read the introduction to the Oxford World Classics KJV Bible; BTFO's the actual text. To actually believe any of the Abrahamic religions is to defy all reasoning.

No, I don't believe god exists
I know He exists

>He

The most compelling argument against the Christian god today is that he must surely be kind of a prick.

No, at least not the Abrahamic one anyways.

>Veeky Forums is one person

Being a prick doesn't mean you don't exist. Are you denying your own existence?

We're all one person. God.

Perhaps he's referring to the Problem of Evil.

The Abrahamic God is the only one that makes sense. Or does Thor, Zeus, and Krishna make more sense to you?

Why aren't there any mainstream religions that just straight-up admit "our god is an evil vengeful jealous asshole. following his demands has nothing to do with moral rightness but helps to mitigate his wrath and avoid punishments"

Yes, I believe He does

That just debunks Christian theology. God doesn't have to be good in any other theology.

Could you expand on this?

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Yes, that is correct. The Problem of Evil is at odds with the notion of a Christian God.

But this just debunks Christianity. There are many other religions and many other conceptions of God.

What did Wittgenstein ever say about death?

Early Christians didn't believe God created the universe.

that's the absolute pseud answer actually

Veeky Forums should have a laugh-react button.

Calvinism has a logically satisfying explanation, but the problem is they need to stunningly misread the biblical texts to support their view.

>Death is not an event in life; we do not live to experience death.

None of them 'make sense'

The Christianity meme on this board is nothing more than an overreaction to fedoras by supporting the most elaborate "traditional" form of Christianity they can find, either for aesthetics or just to get a rise out of people.

You realise most of the monotheist arguements were first formulated by the Greeks? You're on a literature board, so I'm sure you realise this. Don't insult Zeus or Athena ever again.

We are talking over each other. I completely agree with you.

Yes I do but I struggle with the Christian concept of faith as necessary for salvation. I've read some texts on that idea that are interesting but none that sold me completely.
Also abstractly (forgive the blasphemy), I struggle with the concept of Christian heaven. Maybe because it would be completely outside the realm of human understanding, but it seems like it could get boring.

You could look at the work of NT Wright, a Pauline scholar who has written extensively on Paul's eschatological teachings in light of first century Judaism. His major idea is that the "afterlife" is very much God's kingdom on Earth in a very worldly sense, not some disembodied realm in the sky.

I believe in Zebra. Samael is the creator deity, but not the true one

I'm unironically orthodox. I agree that there are a lot of contrarians and people who want to believe, but don't take it seriously enough.

sometimes

I was raised Catholic, and as a child I believed just as much as any child believes what his parents tell him. I was never deeply pious though, and as I grew up I drifted into atheism. There was no sudden revelation or turning point, and in fact it happened young enough that I don't remember the change at all.

Thanks I will try. Does he ever talk about what happened to souls who were born before Christianity? Like Socrates. Will he get to go to Heaven?

I don't understand how the problem of evil refutes the Christian God. God is good. Anything apart from god is evil. Sin against god causes a separation that cannot be resolved except through Jesus Christ's sacrifice.

Sin (flesh) = death. God (spirit) = life. From death to life is what faith in Jesus Christ permits.

iep.utm.edu/evil-evi/

there are multiple reasons and there's not a solid argument against them

I will read some of what you sent. What I will leave off with is what I believe the root of this issue is.

What "Good" is. What is "Good"?

I believe people normally associate "Good" with a sense of human morality. Like, things that are pleasant for me, or for many people, that is what "good" is. But that isn't true. God's nature is the only thing that is truly good. And (as seen in the bible innumerable times) God's true goodness and our perception of good are two wildly different things.

This is also true as it relates to Evil.

we're all one substance. god.

whenever i find out a philosopher/thinker post-1900 believes in god i immediately disregard all of their work

I believe that there is the actuality that we experience, and the possibilty that precedes this actuality. This possibility is rendered into actuality by constructive process, binding us to reality. As this is a form of creation infinitely through all things at every moment, I like to consider this (or Being itself) as the name of God.

Perhaps being is necessary whether or not it is constructed. This, however, I find merely an argument for the necessity of God.

God gave us our sense of morality.

Furthermore, saying God is the only thing that is truly good is a fancy version of "because God" which is not an argument. Try harder next time sweetie

Why do you think its okay to make up snowflake christian doctrine?

youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7QvnhJgeA

"youtube.com/watch?v=wQYob6dpTTk"
-Ludwig Wittgenstein

The creepy thing is that this aired before Chris Harper Mercer did exactly this.

But what about all the cows? You can't tell me a loving god would be okay with me killing and eating innocent conscious beings.

>404

like your brain

Yes, and I don't need faith to do it. Either the universe came from nothing, has existed forever, or was created by God.
>universe came from nothing
This is inconsistent with the nature of the universe. If large amounts of matter randomly popped into existence everyday, this might be more plausible, but as it stands, it's more wishful than believing in a god.
>universe has existed forever
Again, a logical inconsistency. Not only does this theory sweep away the question of the origin of the universe, but it fails to explain why the universe is in this state, and not any other state. Why wasn't Earth the 4th planet from the sun? Why is nitrogen 78% of our atmosphere, and not 71%?
Another hole in this theory is entropy. For the universe to have existed forever, it must be able to magically condense after the heat death occurs, turning full disorder into full order with perfect efficiency, else it would have surely died out after infinite time. How is this not a leap of faith?
>universe was created by God
This satisfies the problem of causality. The first cause must have been un caused, or self caused. This is the fundamental definition of God. Religion disturbs the nature of God, adding human characteristics, which is why most atheists have the nerve to claim there is no God. Anyone who has no reservations in accepting the existence of God will find it easier to believe than not to believe. Not only is it more reasonable, but it's more beautiful. It's complete, purposeful, and humbling.

>conscious

The bible is there to educate people on the nature of God and true morality. The bible is there to archive God's word and supplement/encourage faithful believers. Since the original Sin of Adam and Eve, we are born separated from God. We do not have an innate sense of God's morality. That is what the bible is for. That is why Jesus came to Earth.

To assume what we perceive with our senses or feel with our conscience is God ordained morality within us is incorrect.

Also, to say that God is the only thing that is truly good is not an argument. It is a position. That is my position and we are having a discussion about it. I thought that was obvious sorry.

So we have no moral duty towards animals at all?

No, shut up. I'm right. You're wrong.

Whats the use of believing in a god if it has no consequences?

Read Spinoza.
Read Marx.
Read The Quran.
Read!

I think we have a duty to take care of the earth, but we can still eat meat. I also think animals should be killed with as least pain possible too.

Duh, the Abrahamic God's name is literally that, brainlet

No it shouldn't facebook nigger

>Yes, I believe in the Christian God and that Jesus was his incarnation in human form.
LMFAO

I do believe there are consequences. I believe that the spirit of God is in all of us, since He created us. We are but thought forms, an inferior creation to the superior Creator. Everything is vibration; the higher the vibration, the closer to infinity (God). A vibrating soul will do well in the afterlife, while a soul that is attached to the material world will suffer, since there are no longer any pleasures to be gained. This is "Hell".
We, having body and soul, connected by the mind, represent everything, for we contain the worst (matter) and the best (spirit). Not only can we improve our afterlife, but this life as well, if we only live a simple, spiritual life. Heaven is enlightenment, light, eternal life, goodness. Is there anything more beautiful than this?

I do not.

I believe in God. I'm not so sure about anything else beyond that.

Shut the fuck up your brainlet

kek

No, I'm not superstitious.

That's basically the Torah.

Yes, I'm a convert

your position is unfalsifiable and largely based on belief. i don't trust emotional experience to guide me in life

As-salāmu ʿalaykum, brother.

hey thanks my Muzzie brody

salaam to you

Either the God came from nothing, has existed forever, or was created by God2.
Either the God2 came from nothing, has existed forever, or was created by God3.

>what is necessary existence

a made up idea

Aren't all ideas made up?

Krishna makes much more sense than the Abrahamic wargod if you actually read about Vedanta philosophy.

but this one has no referent in reality

Yes.
We actually have a solid base of catholics here.

are you implying that god is a reverse trap?

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literally all of life is concerned with killing and eating each other

jesus fucking christ