UNABOMBER

What does Veeky Forums think of the Unabomber and his beliefs about industrial-technological society?

Also, what did he mean exactly by "Oversocialization"? (see below)

>25. The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can think, feel and act in a completely moral way. For example, we are not supposed to hate anyone, yet almost everyone hates somebody at some time or other, whether he admits it to himself or not. Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality have a non-moral origin. We use the term “oversocialized” to describe such people. [2]


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Manhunt Unabomber was good shit

cf. Szasz's comments on mental illness being equated with the socially or politically inappropriate

He makes some good points. idk what he was hoping to accomplish by bombing people though, he should have known he was powerless to stop industrial society.

this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Mental_Illness

Oversocialization doesn't exist. Humans are social animals, "oversocialization" is like saying "bees focus too much on producing honey" or "fish like swimming to a dangerous degree." Only a defective human being, one who hurts innocent people for fun, for example, would ever feel this intimidated by social interaction.

not sure if you understand his definition of "oversocialization"

> only people with triple digit IQs can post ITT
You should quit while you're only a few meters behind friendo.

I don't think the Unabomber understood his own definition of "oversocialization"

I wonder what he thinks of Japan.

youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

reexamine your position, m8

he meant you

anyone who is hyper agreeable, unagressive, passive, institutionally oriented and heavily dependent on social interactions to develop skills and a personality. so (You) and most of this board and most Veeky Forums users no matter how much they want to pretend they’re different from normalfags who are all universally oversocialized no matter what class, race or nationality

at least he was brave enough to try

You seem to be oversocialized. See

he didn't try to stop industrial society, he did it to send a message and he succeeded

the point of the message was to stop industrial society lol

that was so interesting and creepy

related: documentary on the unabomber

youtube.com/watch?v=141zsgkvv4Y

exactly

OK. But the normalfags are over-over-socialized such that it wraps back around and they appear antisocial

>B-but muh normalfags
Retard

Don't mind me, just posting anther great Kaczynski text
>theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick

The Calhoun experiment wasn't his definition of over socialization, the experiment demonstrated the constants of tight living conditions and how they effect mices sociability negatively

I DONT UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING POINT OF YOU BRINGING UP THIS FUCKING VIDEO

I think what he means is the mice were "socialized" to the point where their mere proximity to each other became a source of malevolence. but yeah, doesn't seem to fid teddy's theory.

>MUH MICE EXPERIMENTSZSZSSSSSS
Neck yourselves you illiterate moron

you're reading the manifesto of an insane serial killer, are you really expecting to find insightful shit in it? what a brainlet

oh sure when peterson talks about a lobster betabugman have a hissy fit but then some wacko terrorist talks about some mice and he's a genius

>t. mainstream retard

TK is a published, harvard educated mathematician with an IQ of 167.

I bet you haven't even read the manifesto.

I bet you're the type of person that puts black and white labels on people you meet leaving no room for inevitable grey complexities.

Yeah, I bet that's you.

"Mental health treatment is a racket." - me

But I'd be damned if I wasn't "mentally ill". Szasz way overestimates his case. I agree with some of his points but it's a ridiculous direction. Psychiatry was shit when he wrote it, but that's understandable. The brain is just another organ, thousands of times more difficult of course, but there are things that can be done...

>hasn't actually read the manifesto

>TK is a published, harvard educated mathematician with an IQ of 167.

he should have stuck to math he clearly out of his depth with regard to humanities and social science

that was exactly the point though...

>STRATEGY

180. The technophiles are taking us all on an utterly reckless ride into the unknown. Many people understand something of what technological progress is doing to us yet take a passive attitude toward it because they think it is inevitable. But we (FC) don’t think it is inevitable. We think it can be stopped, and we will give here some indications of how to go about stopping it.

181. As we stated in paragraph 166, the two main tasks for the present are to promote social stress and instability in industrial society and to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial system. When the system becomes sufficiently stressed and unstable, a revolution against technology may be possible. The pattern would be similar to that of the French and Russian Revolutions. French society and Russian society, for several decades prior to their respective revolutions, showed increasing signs of stress and weakness. Meanwhile, ideologies were being developed that offered a new world view that was quite different from the old one. In the Russian case, revolutionaries were actively working to undermine the old order. Then, when the old system was put under sufficient additional stress (by financial crisis in France, by military defeat in Russia) it was swept away by revolution. What we propose is something along the same lines.

I'm turning into a Ted without ability, I've been frustrated in every aspect of my life, my only desire is to get a wholesome wife, retire into the wilderness for the rest of our days and have many wild children
cognition was a mistake

so he's proposing dropping everyone's standard of living to afghanistan levels for ... what exactly is his problem again? yeah im sure a lot of people are gonna sign up for that

...

>its just another organ
yes and like all organs it behaves in unpredictable ways and is only understandable with relation to the whole body and the whole ecology it evolved within and exists within. since we don’t understand any of that to a degree necessary to talk about it like a combustion engine, its pretty stupid to tell people you can spray their brains with happy powder and fix semantically indeterminate state’s like schizophrenia

>what exactly is his problem again?
>read the manifesto

yo lets smash all technology and go back to a neolithic standard of living bro! i'm a smart math guy! this will totally work! except when the cambodians tried it two million people died! but i can do math!

Whoops, I must have forgotten that part. I mostly remember him describing a cabal of revolutionaries that would have to form and ignite the revolution when a breaking point presented itself. Which, for all we know, could be formed out there already, waiting for its chance.

the more subtle (not really) point is that our society is fucked. The system has reached a level where it is out of the control of the common individual, which leads to purposelessness and depression

This is undeniable. Look at how unhappy the world is collectively.

ted and others like him wanted to kill off 90+% of the world population, most people dying would be preferable to ecocide and an unbearable state of being

You should really read the manifesto, but you do point out a problem I had with it. Namely, that the idea of discarding modern industrial/technological society only appeals to those who are already severely unhappy in society. Which, outside of Veeky Forums, is not the majority, I feel.

yeah he defined those as the smarties, the intelligentsia if you will. He believed revolutions weren't led by the majority, but a select leadership minority

>some people are unhappy
>lets discard all technology so we can all be unhappy in dirt huts

why are you taking a murders manifesto seriously like it's actually something not retarded? my twisted world is sooo much better, it at least has literary merit, not a c-tier anarchist polemic like this crap

>Which, outside of Veeky Forums, is not the majority

oh, the braindead idiots. yeah.

>privileged white professor believes he should be in charge of restructuring society and cure all of society's ill if only he can be dictator

wow that's unique its not like every campus on the planet doesn't have a couple of those left over from the 70s

First of all, fuck off. I can tell you have no idea how psychiatry works.

I am literally one of those people who they spray with "happy powder". First, there is no "happy powder" and they do not try and tell you there is. They do not act nor try to get the patient to believe that all there problems will be gone. They test one med, ask about symptoms and let you talk about your input, whether or not you thought it was working, etc. If not, they try another one.

Sometimes you get one that doesn't sit well with your brain (I have had bizarre episodes with one). You stop that one, then they look at what type it was and they avoid chemically similar ones.

God damn, by your reasoning we should have scrapped the idea of cars because they are dangerous. Instead, we invented seatbelts, airbags, and power steering and breaking and other improvements. No, they do not realize how it works... yet! That's why we do this dance, to get better every time we try.

There were plenty of famous murderers (and normal by cultural standards) that weren't idiots throughout history. Like kings and crusaders for example. Most of history actually. You fucking bourgeois leftist retard

privilieged white men are behind almost everything of importance in the past 500 years

A page from Kaczynski's 1967 doctoral dissertation. What a shame to have been without LaTeX back then. Of course K himself would bemoan advancement...

>failed academic turned small time terrorist
>king

yeah ok the first step in machiavelli is to get a principality, and you don't do that by hiding in the woods, kys

First off, slow your roll, pal. I never said I completely endorsed the manifesto, just that you really should read it before you write off its ideas ( a novel thought, I know!).

Second, he gives his justification for the murders in the manifesto. He says that, given the 'information overload' the modern individual is subjected to via the barrage of media he experiences, it would be impossible for someone to introduce a new idea and not have it get instantly drowned out. Which is fair, given that we're talking about him and his ideas right now, and I for one probably wouldn't have read his manifesto without it being 'THE unabomber manifesto.'

>everything of importance to white men*

being a professor has to be the lowest risk lowest effort job for someone of privilege, sorry, if you're a professor you just don't have what it takes

how was he a failed academic? he was published 6 times and left university life on his own accord. once he had enough money to go into the woods, he did.

and king is just one example you myopic turd burglar

ppl murdered and conquered, it wasnt no thang

>decentralized society
>dictators existing

pick one

>myopic turd burglar
what did user mean by this

you should read khieu samphon's doctoral thesis before you write of the khmer rouge!

maybe you find this trash interesting because you haven't taken the time to read the most basic anarchist texts or interact with any

good point user

Why is this hyperbole so popular among people who feel they can discuss a topic without knowing shit about it?

It has occurred to me that not everyone knows enough about Ted's background and how he even wound up in such a threatening position.
He was insane my societal standards no doubt although his reasoning for doing what he did was justified in his mind based on allegations/predictions, if you will, of the future and how our technologically driven world has become on a personal, spiritual, and, thus, societal level.
Watch this documentary and you will understand why he did what he did.
Crazy fuck.
youtube.com/watch?v=wr5M6oEx2j4

the khmer rouge had a similar plan, empty out the cities, kill all the "intelligentsia", go back to subsistence farming, millions of people died but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea, i mean samphon had a phd from the sarbon, clearly he was a very smart man! we need to revisit his ideas

unabomber btfo mic drop thread over, u bugmen can keep talking to yourselves i'm out

I'm pretty sure if he meant virtually everyone in modern society, he wouldn't have started his description with
>Some people

the pseuds who think this shit is insightful need to go the fuck back

I find it so weird to see people saying bugmen lately. I thought that was an MPC thing

watch the documentary brainlet then get back to me

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we now have history channel watching pleblets on Veeky Forums, next you'll be posting about hitlers occult practices and a hidden chamber in the great pyramid, kys

you're so right... let me delete my post

i read a collection of his writings a while back and found his observations generally agreeable and prescient but his conclusions basically extreme

he's pretty cool as a fringe philosopher but he shouldn't have hurt them people. someone would have published him and got his ideas proper distribution, but now look at him, rotted his whole life away in a prison. waste of a great mind, waste of a life, not to mention the innocent professors he maimed and killed.

Hitler did practice occult rites and Himmler was a rabid occultist. The Pyramids do have secret chambers in them

>be an autist who can't get girls
>start killing people

Many such cases! Sad!

spot on, me too.
I don't have the determination and capacity to go kill people, but the anger is there, every morning i wake up and every evening i go to sleep.

I couldn't stand the actor they chose for Ted. The FBI looked more like the real Ted than that skinny hobo

>idk what he was hoping to accomplish by bombing people though

Well he has us talking about him still doesn't he

"Oversocialised" is a euphamism for "effeminate" or "feminised." He self-censored his theory of self-censorship so as not to appear to be a misogynist, oh the irony.

Woman detected

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Biographies
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>Adolf Hitler - Youth (Age 0 - 25)
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>Adolf Hitler - First World War (Age 25 - 29)
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>Adolf Hitler - Rise to Power (Age 29 - 43)
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>Joseph Goebbels
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>Rudolf Hess
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>Ted Kaczynski
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>Timothy McVeigh
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>Anders Breivik
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>H.P. Lovecraft
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>William Cottrell
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>Adam Lanza
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>Christopher Thomas Knight
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>Christopher McCandless
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>Christopher Harper-Mercer
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>Bill Hicks
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>Dylann Roof
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Kaczynski appeals to arguments in some areas that are noteworthy; I sympathize with his criticisms of capitalism and industry being antagonistic to the psyche of individuals, and the moral detriments that capitalist realism places in ethics and value.
Kaczynski has serious misconceptions about basic human psychology that are prevalent in the book and many of his arguments appeal solely to intuitionism, regardless of whether he occasionally makes the mark.

His metaethics are weak as well. He tries to argue that morality and ethical action are derivative of social obligation, which most ethicists would not assent to. Consideration and previous values weigh in considerably to future action, and the value we place on things (ideals, individuals, future chain of events) is what leads to to our choices. In a way, Kaczynski alludes to this in how he defines morality as being a form of obligation, but his presuppositions and conceptualization of this is very off the mark.

>Capitalism realism
Stopped reading. American commies need to be thrown in the gulags.

his work is good, it's a shame that hippy, civilised beta scum like Zerzan have tried to appropriate his work


Nature is war, and War is nature, and that's a good thing

Do we have to do this in every thread? Just read Ellul.

Veeky Forums seems like the complete opposite of his definition of oversocialised people. People here hate absolutely everything and won't hesitate to shit on something without justifying it. Doesn't seem to fit into his definition at all.
Reddit on the other hand seems like a good example since whenever people express an idea of "hate" they always make sure to make it mild (unless the community permits), thus they never express their hate to its full degree.

I just don't know rn, I've read him, mcluhan, Virilio and I just don't know yet

It seems there's some "better to not have been" in his system, but instead of existence, it's about technological society.

Tech society creates evil, it also creates good, but I'm not sure what's "better", it seems like history seems to favour tech on this front.

But tech is unstable, all shit humans make is unstable, hell, any complex enough structure has an increasing chance if collapsiing from randomness and disorder, the larger it gets.


To agree or disagree with ted... I feel like I just don't know enough.

Teddy Boy did nothing wrong.

Unfortunately though, as he said, the only way to overcome the problems that beset the human race is for the solution to occur unanimously. I really can't conceive of anything other than a global nuclear holocaust. So until then I make sick bank programming computers and manipulating the machines to do my bidding.

>implying the machines are doing your bidding and not the other way around

>yo lets smash all technology and go back to a neolithic standard of living bro!
Just read the fucking manifesto

>semantically indeterminate state’s like schizophrenia
Haha mate I don’t think that you’ve known someone with schizophrenia or even actually met one. The fragmentation of the brain that occurs in the condition is far more profound then a state of ‘semantically indeterminatcy’. You’re so ill informed is laughable. My friend is schizo; during her worst episodes she believed that everyone she knew was spying on her through her computer; that her parents had sold her genetic makeup for profit; that her kitchen was gassed and that she died, only come back in body (not soul); and that (no joke) she was turning into a brow cow. Not to mention the constant state of anxiety and paranoia; totally impulsive and dangerous behaviour; and the totally emphatic belief that there was absolutely nothing wrong or illogical about the way she was thinking. The conduction causes her nothing but suffering and after every episode she becomes ever more fragmented and damaged.

I get it but I have to support my family somehow and computers are one of the few things I really am adept at.

>I wonder what he thinks of Japan.

Japan is like the purest example of a Western society gone to shit because of technology

Sure, but that doesn't mean that schizophrenia is a well defined phenomenon.

My background is biology, but a number of similar cases exist there. I'll use sepsis as an example.

Sepsis, like schizophrenia is a poorly semantically defined condition. We can identify things as being sepsis insofar as that is an intelligent grouping that helps our treatment and management of it as a condition, therefore it is defined in a pragmatic sense.

However, also like pschizophrena, sepsis is an extremely heterogeneous condition, so different in its internal workings as to make the definition functionally useless from a scientific perspective. It is borderline impossible to group cases by any other criteria than broad treatment criteria because we simply do not understand the inner workings of the condition well enough, and we lack the data to split cases up using any meaningful metric. By this logic you can see how to a psychiatrist or psychologist, identifying a case of pschizophrenia is easy, but that definition tells you nothing about the underlying neural or social causes, it just tells you that this person should be medically treated as pschizophrena as that is what is most likely to bring about a medically preferable outcome

>download his manifesto expecting an incoherent mess
>it's actually a rock-solid philosophical text

wtf I hate technology now

The only chance we had to stop the conclusion of industrial society was global thermonuclear warfare.

well he was very smart, being a very good mathematician

Get off this board, normie.

Brainlet tier reply

nah he meant you