Evola

Start with Guenon

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>going against Evola is giving his supporters a chance to struggle

>Its another internet Nazi pretending to read schizophrenic rantings to give intellectual basis to their "fuck niggers" ideology episode

>it's another pleb who hasn't read anything by an author but labels him as /pol/

It's a loud minority who dislike him, he's good.

>why does Evola get a bad rep on here?
because he has annoying fanboys - most of whom probably haven't read him. 90% of threads about evola are "heyy tell me waht u think of this EPIC book... i just oderd it on amazon"

It honestly feels like there is just one guy on this board, that really likes Evola so decides to make the same thread every couple of days, copy pasted, regardless of how boring everyone finds it in some attempt to increase his popularity.

> Capitalism is materialism may may
Not this bullshit again. People just assume that because we have "consumers" and narcissism that markets are materialistic despite the defenses on the subject that no one has bothered to read to find the "truth" of the matter.

Very intellectually dishonest if I'm being honest.

How is capitalism not materialism? It doesn't take into regard the well-being of the worker, or what the state of the environment is. The only thing capitalists worry about is the bottom dollar and how they can make more money by fleecing the weakest members of society. By turning them into nothing but mere numbers and stats they contribute to the mentality of wage-slaves. These people have no aspirations other than to work and so they can get the latest gadget or spend it on frivolities like alcohol, drugs or just general useless material goods (which in turn contributes more to the system).

>capitalism
>not materialist
capitalism is materialist by definition mate

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Materialism means more profit for companies so why wouldn't a capitalist society shift towards materialism when the incentive is there to do so?

>tfw you haven't read Evola but still need to show that you don't like him

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>this is true because some old ass books say so and also some ancient tribe believed it
how am i supposed to take his wild claims seriously with this kind of "proof"?

Incorrect, capitalism is in fact gnostic

Obviously because they still knew the real names of things and because they lived when the gods still walked the earth.

again, proof?

People on this board who shit on Evola are mostly leftists who spout out "le pol nadsees!" bogeyman whenever they feel their worldview is threatened.
I like Evola but I have to admit that his style is pretty esoteric. My favorite of his works is probably RtT, being his most accessible. MAtR is pretty good too. He kinda lost me in RAtMW when talking about the Hyperborean spirit of Rome and so forth.

>Communist board

Evola is a bit cheesy, though.

>pleausure is good
>property is important to your soul
>ignore hermeticism and gnosticism which have nothing to do with worldly affairs and encourage only aceticism and personal study of god’s wisdom
>work 120 hours a week at your professional occupation at some firm
>fuck and snort, drink and smoke even tho all of this is prohibited by gnostics and hermeticists
>ride the tiger do whatever
>even tho this is again prohibited by ancient sects especially vedanta, esoteric buddhism, hermeticism and gnosticism

>aristocrats of the soul
*tips*

I can only tell you esoterically. Meet me under The Sphinx in 3 years during the winter solstice.

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Capitalism is just practical kantianism.

fucking massbaters everywhere

sophiaperennis.com/frequently-asked-questions/
>Baron Julius Evola was an Italian Traditionalist, a close associate of Rene Guenon, and a writer of many brilliant books on various aspects of traditional culture, religion, and esoterism, only a few of which have been translated into English. He was a bit more “Nietzschian” than the other Traditionalists, however, and entertained certain “hopes” for Mussolini and Hitler, though he also criticized them, and was never a member of the Fascist Party. (These hopes were ultimately disappointed.) Though he worked and wrote on a much higher level than most “occultists,” his practice of what he termed “magic” and his lack of personal commitment to a single revealed religion are among the things that led Frithjof Schuon, and most of his followers, to largely reject him. He nonetheless retains a large following in Europe, and is one of the philosophical ancestors of the “intellectual Goths.”
Is NietzschEan an accurate descriptor of Evola?

Someone who has read his Weber?

Total resistance to change only exists in ideal conditions (i.e. it is impossible) and things will never be how they were ever again no matter how hard traditionalist reactionaries want it to.

ride the tiger is pretty good

Leftist here, who has actually read this - went into it with an open mind. Gotta say that you'd have to be pretty braindead, if not out-and-out evil, to consider the ideal society he sketches in the first part of the book to be something to work toward - the closest analogue to it today would be something like ISIS. Part II was better, just because I always find theories that view the march of history as a sort of negative progress to be interesting - it's a way of looking at things that Evola shares with Adorno, that famous bogeyman of the right...

>Is NietzschEan an accurate descriptor of Evola?
he didn't follow Nietzsche, though he read him and "responded" or mentioned him in some of this books

he can be said to be more Nietzschean in the sense that Evola conceded some value to individual action, as in personal initiation or reaching for the higher values for yourself. Something like this is meaningless for Guenon, for whom the only way to attain initiation is to tie yourself to an unbroken chain of tradition that goes back to a moment of divine intervention, for Guenon god is a deus otiosus, he intervenes in the moment of creation (or at the beginning of one cycle, same thing), and then lets the the world manifest on its own, so you don't have access to god unless you tie yourself to a chain of tradition that links you to that initial divine intervention

for Evola you can personally have access to god or the spiritual realm or whatever you want to call it. Though he may have rethought this later as he became more pesimistic.

some extracts from doctrine of awakening:
>In the sphere of the Buddhist jhāna, both of these forms of ascesis are surpassed since the human condition in general tends to disappear. Only if the discipline of the Ariya were to stop at .sīla and samadhi could its achievements he likened to that of the most enlightened Stoicism. But Buddhism—like all initiations-has higher and freer realizations, and so, instead of the rock against which stormy waves uselessly break, the simile of air that one may try in vain to capture in a net or cut with a sword is far more appropriate. Imperturbability and calm fixedness (samatha) equivalent to the Stoical apatheia, along the path of awakening is, in fact, considered at a certain point as a bond from which one frees oneself in order to approach the domain of "nonexistence.' At the same time, the "sidereal" element here encourages such detachment as will induce Olympian quality in all higher states of consciousness and destroys in that detachment any residue of hybris, of pride or of will for power attached to the "person." To "life"—even at its summits— Buddhism opposes that which is "more than life." The term superman uttamapurisa-- -also figures in Buddhism as an epithet of the Ariya ascetics. But this ideal is here transfigured, it is carried effectively onto a supersensible plane in which the dark tragedy that is always hid-den in the "titan" and the "superman" is completely resolved. We shall see almost at once that in order to achieve such an ideal a special enlightened use of sentiments such as love and compassion is even employed: a technique that carries us far beyond the plane of the contradictions against which fought without hope, for example, the soul of Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky. We mentioned this in dealing with the two ways of overcoming fear (cf. p. 116).

ISIS is just postmodern active nihilism

>why does the schizophrenic rantings of a esoteric fascist get a bad rep on here?
I wonder...

This is very similar to the impression I got from the book. A cyclical model of history in which degeneracy takes the crisis-function of capitalism is an interesting proposition. Adorno certainly does a good job of demonstrating capitalism's suzerainty over contemporary morality. Evola is a bit of a meme, though. Metaphysics of War was asinine, devoid of any insight beyond constant restatement of far-right maxims in an unengaging prose style with no philosophical depth. If you're on the far-right at least have the good taste to read and believe in Spengler and Nietzsche.

the path of excess leads to the palace of wisdom. detached, ironic hedonism is the only true way.

>closest analogue to it today would be something like ISIS.
You obviously aren't particularly read on the rest of his biography, he's quite literally describing Tibet.

>Braindead and evil to consider society as he wants it
Except he gives examples of his society and they were not braindead or evil...
India,Greece,Persia,HRE,Nordic countries,Inca, etc

Traditional Tibet was a warrior theocracy like ISIS.

ISIS is not a theocracy, it's a shitfest

Because/lit/ is full of neoliberals that are afraid of any type of extremism

So was Tibet, bunch of old virgins going to war over which demons can be worshipped.

Glad the Han are cleaning that place up.

>Leftist
>open mind

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where can i get an epub for each of his works?

libgen only has one of the trilogy and about half of his essay collections

wow.. and all those replies. what the fuck? are people this fucking dumb?

same thing

>So was Tibet, bunch of old virgins going to war over which demons can be worshipped.
there's literally nothing wrong with that

>dude spooks are real lmao

demons are just social constructs, it's ok

>thinking that all leftists are SJWs or Marxists
Pathetic

I live in NYC. Leftists don't have to be flaming SJWs or Marxists to be closed minded.

I live in denmark and people here are much more chill about politics and shit - i go to the most SJW gymnasium there is here and i can criticize queer theory and the wage gab and shit and people are alright with it. We are quite different from Sweden you though...

without you*

what kind of leftist are you talking about then
SJWs (if radlibs can count as leftists) and Marxists or Marxist-influenced lefties is pretty much all there is

>>i go to the most SJW gymnasium there is here and i can criticize queer theory and the wage gab and shit and people are alright with it. We are quite different from Sweden you though...
>quite different
>criticize queer theory in the gym

i guess he means socially engineering neoliberals

It's like he's never been to Veeky Forums

we have psychology and the new rules is that we have about gender too where queer theory is one of the views on gender, so we are not taught it as the one and only truth and we also had sauces for criticism of postmodernism - we learn very much to question the theories and debate them.

Social democracy which is quite far from Marx's communism if i may humbly say it myself.

psychology is a meme science, only like 10% of the studies can actually be replicated, you'd be right more often if you just listened to your grandma's advice

Well, I suggest you import more immigrants then, so you can understand what it's like when all of the comfy implicit bonds of shared history that hold your society together have to be replaced with made-up rules and dogma.

>the comfy implicit bonds of shared history that hold your society together
user confirmed for surpassing sociology in explanatory sophistication and concision

If you want to learn more about Sweden vs. Denmark look at this debate:
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>debate about meme equality in a meme language
thanks but i'll pass, can you make a summary?

This

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user, i'm saying that Sweden sucks. I think Denmark is cynical, taking what the bit the refugees have left like family rings and stuff and then afterwards throwing them out of the country (yeah Denmark does this shit). But Sweden is just acting stupid, they don't take care and make demands of their refugees and thus just throw them into nihilism and on top of that they take in too many to be able to make demands and actually integrate them. Denmark just don't take in very many refugees at all though...

Sweden: muh vurtue signala!
Denmark: I don't give a flæskesteg!

How many Swedes are aware of how retarded what they're doing is? Or are they like the people who fled Detroit but will mutter about 'the economy' if asked why

>memes of the collective unconscious
sounds quite right actually

I don't know about Detroit mæte i'm Danish

lots of Danes here...

you don't need to know about Detroit, I was asking about if Sweden is aware of what they're doing, or if they are firmly in the 'hand grenade attacks are part and parcel' territory

Swedes are autistic hive animals, they don't know how to do things like normal people and they try to do everything at 110% like retards and everybody follows everybody else in a consensus fueled hivemind, like when they were doing eugenics like 80 years ago

when the pendulum turns and they switch in mass into hating people who come in it's going to be a scary, those guys are crazy

we should never have lost Sweden - the Swedish people are ruining it...

what about a new invasion? they are looking towards russia, they wouldn't expect it from the danes

the people who make the danish infrastructure is trying to melt together Copenhagen and Malmo..

I'm going to uncritically assimilate this information on Swedes into my worldview because it amuses me

what's going on in Copenhagen? never heard a thing about that city, which may be a good thing in the current year

>sweden
>make demands

I'm unironically a member of a communist party user and even I'm sensible enough to see that Sweden is basically taking in a shitload of people who get given free shit, aren't integrated or policed effectively and commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

>I'm unironically a member of a communist party

Fucking kill yourself

Things are chill, we had some middle eastern gang violence (they shot after each other a couple of times in the streets) but their parents got together and talked, so it's alright now, it's also some moths ago, else than that stuff is normal.

Even a person who think that lenin wasn't that bad think that Sweden is fucked - this is how fucked Sweden is...

How do i connect buddhism with traditionalism and perennial philosophy?

Lenin would clean that shit right up desu.

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brainlets who can't understand why monarchy is the suprior governmental system

Read Guenon while ignoring what he writes about Buddhism (he eventually changed his mind), then read this and also the works by Marco Pallis and Coomaraswamy on Buddhism.

the kindle book is still KIA same for camp of the saints

(((social democracy)))

they cant handle the green pill

lol wut, is this a troll? fuck outt here - all you do is what every other leftist does: spout "m-muh everything I disagree with is evil and Hitler and isis abloobloobloo"

kys pos

>gymnasium
you do know what it means, you fucking pleb? the state of this board.. my God!

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*tips menorah*

Maybe he is a German or Slav ESL, for them the word gymasisium means a secondary school level education focused, on genreal acedemia.