Are books going to die out due to decreasing attention spans?

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in 100-150 years we're going to realize how dangerous the internet is for the brain and we're going to have smarthphones sold with splattered brains on the box like we do today with cigarettes

T. Banksy

>how does one measure something like attention span? I can pay attention to a single thing for an hour if I want to. Others im uninterested in and will spend less than a couple seconds. It seems an unquantifiable phenomenon to me

Nah. we're just bombarded with endless options of what to watch, read or engage with. Our attention span is not the problem, it's that we dont know what to do with all the options we are presented, so we shop around.

Go 25 years back and most people didnt have a computer (unless your dad was a tech savy or office worker) most had 1 tv with maybe 3-5 channels and a super nintendo with 4-5 games.

Sure, we spent more time doing 1 thing and one thing only, but mostly due to the lack of options. Now we have to many options.

And I am not sure that our attention span is any shorter. Bingewatching 12 hours of a tv show is considered normal now. Who watch 12 hours of something in one sitting if they have short attention spans?

The most popular podcast is Joe Rogan which is unscripted, conversations which frequently push the 3 hour mark.
Dan Carlins history podcast which is without a doubt the most popular in the genre, often go past 4 hours.
People sit a play video games for 12 hours straight.

I dont think our attention span has shortened. It's shorter if your way of measuring it is by how long we can watch one TV channel before switching channels, because the quality of TV programming is fucking abysmal so no wonder people want to spend their leisure time elsewhere.

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I guess they measure how long you pay attention to something you want to pay attention to.

>Read too many books
>Reproductive chances diminishes
Thus selection will always prevent everyone from becoming nerds.
Just as it prevents people who are too dumb to read.

>Read too many books
>Desire to reproduce diminishes

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It means actively thinking about something not passively following around

Wrong.

We live in the notification era. You're expected to constantly be on-call. Most normal people get a little pop-up and jingle every 2 minutes announcing a new drip-feed of social interaction in the form of discrete, quantised approval (Likes) or inclusion (Snap story).
It's even worse if you work - you're conditioned to check for Slack, email, text notifications every 15 minutes on top of your personal social media commitments.

How does anyone ever get anything done when their phone lights up and a fun little sound plays whenever they try and read a book?

>Well why don't they just turn their phone off?

They're addicted. A lot of people do absolutely nothing in their leisure time but wait for that dopamine-fuelling notification to pop-up, and that craving doesn't rest when they're trying to "adult".

More like
>Watch pornography habitually
>Desire to reproduce diminishes

What about all the people playing video games for 6+ hours straight? There's fucking millions of them.

this desu.

I'm so at peace after change my number and my social media accounts (to obscurity). I don't know how people can managed to be on call 24/7. It's kinda low point in human civilization if most of the people really have to depend on social media for constant gratification and self validation.

It's not addiction when you work. It's necessity.

Okay, so how does one measure that? How do you differentiate what constitutes actively thinking about something contra passive?

Sure, people read less, but 120 years before that, most people didnt read at all.
And the study is fucking stupid. Most people 65+ dont have an smartphone, the few that do use it only for phoning and text messaging.

Switch the questions with "I peak out my window into the street at least every 30 minutes" or "I often sit on the telephone and talk to my firends when watching TV" and the percentage of people above 65 would probably hit 70%. The younger generation just spend that time differently.

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Spoken like someone whos fallen for le gamer meme. At the height of my gaming days I could play for 4 hours max and i would suck for the last hour. It takes a ton of effort to keep going after the 2 hour mark for me

>At the height of my gaming days I could play for 4 hours max and i would suck for the last hour.
pleb
I used to have 12 hours sessions of Dota 2. I accumulated 4000 hours in like 3 years. I could have learned 2 languages in that time. I regret nothing.

>Spoken like someone whos fallen for le gamer meme
Not quite, because I used to play up to 9 hours straight with friends on weekends throughout middle and high school. And when I wasn't doing that, I was reading and writing for that much time in a single day when I had the freedom to. And if I didn't have a job and more responsibilities now, I would still be doing these things.

And what about the people who binge watch television shows or comics? I still know people who will watch several seasons or read 100+ issues of a comic in one weekend to get caught up occasionally. And obviously, there are also tons of career folk, who are putting in 50-60 hours a week at their job. That requires dedication.

I think the attention span thing is a meme.

What about the additive nature of phones and internet?

playing game is most fairly an accessible task imo in comparison to read good literature or to watch films with a fairly amount of depths

Depends on the game. If it's an MMO, sure. You can idle that shit for hours, but that's hardly "playing". Actual playing requires dedication.

>How does anyone ever get anything done when their phone lights up and a fun little sound plays whenever they try and read a book?

Teenagers have short attention spans and think of sex every 8 seconds, what else is new under the sun?

The debate is whether they make it worse or not

Does smartphone demand ("steal") more attention than anything before it? Sure. But what is it that people do on a smartphone? Mostly reading. Reading news, blogs, etc.

Thats just you i guess. For the majority it's social media.

is there any games that is actually 'that hard' and worth our time playing them? can you name a few?

i never found any games those that is actually really hard to play. video games on console and computer are not ones like chess, or any board games with specific and/or basic rules and regulations (which require the player to think more, more clearer thinking and very discrete approach). I only play MMO and RPG vidya however.

Yes, books are already culturally irrelevant and nobody reads anymore. They've been dying for last 100 years and the decline only gets faster and faster ever day.

50 years from noe schools won't even teach literature anymore and English classes will just have kids analyze recent films and archived tweets.

CS and Dota requires some thinking and planning to win

Maybe, I think at some point, most people grow tired of social media.

I joined facebook back in 2007-2008 and have ran into most of the other social media platforms after that (twitter, insta, vine, snapchat) and my usage of any social media platform has significantly died down to a bare minimum.

People quit facebook and twitter in large numbers (not quicker than people join unfortunatly) because people realise it's a time drain. And I think Facebook (and every other large social media platform) is probably going to experience an exodus in about 5 years, at least in the countries where it has been available the longest.

But all this is speculative, so what do I know?

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>tfw you will never be able to go on a holiday through the serene mountains of Europe, staying in mansions and castles with only the weekly letter to keep you in touch with the world beyond the summits

I experienced the same actually. But there's so many people I know who just get worse, more and more dependent.

I'm 20 and after high school almost everyone stopped using Facebook for anything except messaging and ironic meme shit.

and all wikipedia page then is in "Simple English" as you may say.

desu even films in films industry post-2010 starting to get more simplify, stale, and without any real thematic content. just technically amusing visual pizzaz amuses but a mundane non-abstract wizardry that say none of the important things. all wishy washy entertainment to hell and shit.

even savior of cinema like Lynch was inspired by Kafka and Gogol in his early career.

we can't get Lynch 2.0 without he dives in and appreciating great works of literature before adapting and blending it with his vision in cinema as a medium

I'm 20 as well and most people I know switched from FB to Instagram which is worse imo

IG is even more cancerous than FB, that's for sure

I wonder, does it say where and when they spend that 58 minutes? Because alot of people use public transport to and from work.

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what does the last panel mean

>I'm 20 as well and most people I know switched from FB to Instagram which is worse imo

That's because Instagram hasnt been invaded by everyones parents and grandparents yet.

Facebook was fun in the beginning because it was this little online club where everyone was about the same age and your parents didnt see what you posted there.

The club house where you would smoke cigarettes and drink your stolen liquor turned into the community center where your grandparents are present and you have to be on your best behaviour all the time.

Thats why Facebook is dying.

that he chose to go off the bus at the most convenient and safe spot, being blind to the endless possibilities out there?

who the fuck knows?

This. People have Facebook for messenger and event planning, that's literally it.

My FB feed barely moves over the course of a day, and it's just shit like

>person you barely know tagged someone you know slightly more in a shit meme
>someone you did a group assignment with is going to an event you couldn't care less about
>photos of a friend at a family event their aunt tagged them in

FB content is watered down in general desu, no one posts anything there, everything happens on Snapchat or IG

>The last thing I do before bed is check my phone
How is this supposed to be indicative of a low attention span?

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not on my watch

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Smartphone addiction not attention span. Those things are designed to be addictive now. It's in the article being discussed

TL;DR

Kek

>>Reproductive chances diminishes
I bet this isn't true. I'm much better at speaking to women (and people in general) since I started reading seriously again. I'm more empathetic, I structure my sentences in a more coherent way, and the content of my speech is more interesting. If you grew up on smartphones and videogames I can almost guarantee that your communication skills are lacking.

Well, I will tell you, I have read less books since I got internet access. Before all I would have to do was chainsmoke, listen to music, and read long ass novels to expand my mind.

Now...

A well-designed game aims to trigger your reward centers on a schedule optimized to keep you engaged and waiting for more. The real world doesn't do that.

that’s not what user was implying, try to be less verbose, more incisive. You were waiting to give your input, didn’t think about what he had to say. Try again another time

They won't ever die out completely. With that said, the majority of people growing up in the modern world are overexposed to short-term dopamine fixes for extended periods of time. Thus they are unable to focus on anything that is not instantly gratifying. Any shallow research into internet addiction will tell you the same thing and the reality is, is that most of the world is addicted to the internet. I personally as I'm sure others here have become aware of this and have actively worked against it and I've noticed improvement. It was one of the main reasons I tried to get into reading more was to develop my attention span because I knew how how fucked up continuously jumping around the internet in my free time made it impossible to actually pursue long-term goals.

Even now, I'm here on Veeky Forums typing this crap when I've only read 10 pages of The Illiad today.

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What the fuck is he implying then? Reading too many books doesn't make you a nerd. A nerd is someone with a lot of autistic technical knowledge, not someone who's hyper-literate.

high literacy is associated with lower interaction rate with females, less socializing, less social competence, less masculine facial features, smaller dick, less sex partners and lower success mating. Im not reading what you wrote because you’re an idiot and think everything has unique traits instead of shared traits that could imply similar outcomes

Good article, thanks for posting this.

Smartphones kill conversation too. Rather than discuss something as a group there's normally someone who consults google for the facts or 'correct' answer. It's toxic.

Watching TV or listening to a podcast barely uses your brain, you're passive. I'd be interested to see how the results quoted in the article were obtained, but the basic argument is correct. I've got friends who will spend the majority of their time on the phone when watching a film or whatever.

That's not how you use greentext

>waiting
People refer to that as grind and they're typically not considered good games.

Nice study you cite there. Is it peer-reviewed?

By the way, even if that were true, literacy can be a mating strategy for people with those less-than-optimal genetic traits. A way of competing culturally when they can't compete physically. It's not the interest in reading that gives you a less masculine face or a smaller dick.

Im cancelling my internet over the summer.
No hw, and I can just check email and news every couple days at a coffee shop or library instead.

Going to finally put a dent into the stack of books and video games that have piled up

>that absolute feeling when brother.

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>Are books going to die out
I sure hope they do. As soon as possible, so that I don't have to see the endless retarded "are books going to die out?" articles anymore.

>Nah. we're just bombarded with endless options of what to watch, read or engage with. Our attention span is not the problem, it's that we dont know what to do with all the options we are presented, so we shop around.

Fucking this. I don't read as much because i'm constantly in fear of not doing it properly or finding out what i'm reading is shit. So i spend all my time on the net, overloading my brain looking for answers. Being a brainlet is suffering.

Too long; didn't read

What does that matter when you're highly literate and you already know you're socially competent, good looking, and you have a huge cock?

association != correspondence
evo psych is garbage and invalid

>drugs are the answer!

Congrats, then you get to see an endless number of "why did books die out?" articles instead.

This is why I have started meditation, I definitely feel it increases my focus and mental presence

not the answer but an answer

All a part of the evolutionary process.
Our brains are beginning to demand more and more efficient forms of information.
Eventually they will operate very similarly to the way computers do, capable of sending, receiving, and processing massive amounts of data in the blink of an eye.
Of course we won't see the real fruits of this in our lifetime.

I've changed my phone to most basic one that doesn't have access to internet and deleted accounts on all the social networks. Life has never been better.

I never got a smart phone to begin with, and I've never been more alone or miserable.

Read the article brainlet. It doesn't mention books, only talks about social media and phones.

>tfw want to move to Norway and live in a cabin
>couldn't do it because my parents would worry I didn't call them every day