The end of late capitalism

What do you think Veeky Forums, how much longer do we have left in this hellscape? I'm patiently waiting for the death of my parents and I'd bet on the under for their brief experience of the post-capitalist utopia we'll be ushering in through the trans-urban AI-fueled inversion of the mass projected constructs as vertical hierarchy in individuated economic determinations of aesthetic deference. The monolithic mass media industry is probably the last major hold-out of 20th century shit, cars driving themselves will be an apparent beginning of our transition into the future, data aggregation will drive us to personalized marketing which will necessarily actualize the next paradigm.

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Capitalism will unironically exist until AI takes over. Then it will really be a communist hell on earth.

It will be soon but it won't be that interesting. AI will never be realised, because it's simply much easier to create smartelligent PID garbage that is capable of destroying humanity without ever making it truly intelligent, like algorithm-creating algorithms that are good enough for their retarded human operators to destroy humanity by logging every human face on the planet and using them in some disastrous social engineering project.

It will be the most boring fucking things imaginable, dude. It's not gonna be anything fancy. It's going to be rich people slowly getting the rights to genetically modify their offspring, creating real racial bifurcation between rich and poor within 2-3 short generations so that rich people are all tall, elfinly symmetrical, diseaseless, dopaminergenic cybrids who live for 130 years and don't visibly age until age 50. And those people will concentrate all the fucking wealth and do the most BORING IMAGINABLE SOCIAL ENGINEERING PROJECTS, like on the level of Israel neutering Ethiopian Jews. The horrific cyberdystopia is not going to be experienced by "humanity," it will be experienced by grotesque and grotesquely overpowered boring upper middle class petit bourgeois faggots, basically Ivanka Trump, owning a shrinking underclass of ruddy niggermen slaves and using them for the most boring possible things, seriously just a stasis of how rich people live now, cultureless fucking retards.

You are not going to experience Blade Runner and Tech-Com wars like in Battlefield 2142. "You" and your offspring will have lives probably comparable to today but you will be indentured servants to Ivanka 5-Trump. It's not even going to be COOL post-human feudalism, it's going to be more of this "I was born into a debt-slave family instead of one of the upper 20%, so I make coffee instead of having coffee made for me lol but it's still okay because I can also have a coffee at the end of my 7 hour shift and I get to watch algorithmically generated prole movies on my iPhone while I'm on break ;)!!" fucking garbage they have already had us plugged into since the 70s. The algorithmic culture industry is ALREADY WORKING, it doesn't need qualitative enhancement. They have ALREADY turned you into a fluoridated docile sheepman who loves to eat candy. They don't need soma because they have worthless pig slop culture and sitcoms. They don't need the brain-programming sleep speakers because you already do it fucking anyway by giving your baby an iPad playing Youtube videos AS SUGGESTED BY FUCKING ALGORITHMS for 15 hours a day anyway. They won't even need to nerve-staple you or genetically engineer us into drones because we already did it to ourselves. All they're doing to do is turn this place into even more of a playground for themselves than it already is, and we won't even notice.

Also at the very bottom, as always, there will be a true underclass of third world slaves and the truly fucked triple-jobbers who have to drive the Ubers instead of drivig them, but you won't help them because you're an upper caste inner party slave who gets to ride in an Uber and doesn't have to drive an Uber. Just watch that Naoki documentary about that Japanese dude, A Story of Love and Hate. He works three jobs and his girlfriend is half a prostitute for bored rich men who also hate their lives. They live in a fucking cube, they work 16 hours a day, they have no time to think, and they go to workplaces where their wealthier bosses make them dance around and go "I rove my boss!" to "increase workplace morale." But it still resembles the hell we already live in. Naoki doesn't notice he's in hell, he has some dim idea of it but he thinks it's still "The World," he thinks it's still LIFE, just his has become shitty.

That's what it is about to happen. It will be completely imperceptible but it will be broadcasting on every channel of human experience and the human condition. We are all going to become Naoki from that movie, the most imperceptible possible slide into being drones who are plugged directly into capital and libidinally harnessed to get our only escape from the machine in the form of machine-generated candy created with 0.1% of the soul energy that the machine takes from us in the first place, but we'll still be like HEHE I GO TO BAR ON FRIDAY NIGHT XDD I HAVE GIRLFRIEND AND WE GOING THROUGH TOUGH TIME.. GLAD I CAN STILL AFFORD TO EAT THIS BAGEL THOUGH.. I NEED MY BAGEL TO GET THROUGH A TOUGH WORK DAY AT THE SLAVEATORIUM

If you want to save humanity and redeem the future, find a way to incinerate this entire planet soon with a gamma ray burst or something, or we are just going to create one giant monument to our own pathetic failure orbiting the sun for eons. Aliens are going to come by and find Ivanka Trump's deathless angelic body urinating down your great great great grandchildren's throats because they all "volunteered" for that duty to work off an additional 15% bonus package worth of their alienated debt slavery and finally be free in the year 2719.

v good post
but i'm banking on total system collapse before we reach the gm super-organism phase of future tech fantasy development
either bioterror, nuclear conflagration, or overwhelming environmental catastrophe

BUT HOW DO WE STOP IT

Quality post

Unironically Posadism is the only hope for humanity. We need nuclear war to destroy capitalism.
READ POSADAS

pls write a book i would unironically read it

fuck me, i have the same thoughts. yet i'm not sure about it. but it definitely feels like it. but it would not be a change, since the situation is almost like you describe it just withouth the sophisticated biological engineering. Maybe there will be a war between china, russia and USA and maybe this war destroys the social structure of the elite. maybe people will get a mysterious sickness, after all, nobody knows what humans can endure. more and more people are getting crazy....

best post on Veeky Forums ever. AI isn't necessary. The technology just needs to be "good enough" to get the job done. Nothing more. The psychological conditioning and social programming has been so effective over the past 40+ years that it's become self perpetuating.As the poster indicated, mind control isn't necessary. We do it to ourselves with social media and the constant barrage of bullshit enabled by the marginal, yet cost effective technology that's plugged directly into our brains 24/7/365.

To believe in linear-progressive history-- the basis of most utilitarian, humanistic, and socialistic political theories-- is to deny the very basic concept of memetics and the problem of scaling a single concept over an entire population with no means of creating a social-conscious base for its existence (most of these progressive types see this and try and reason only revolution and /or cataclysm can usher in this psycho-social change, but still fail to lay out how to stop a rival ideology from taking root, all believing that they now holding the upper hand in society makes them the one true axiom that no one can possibly ever dispute.)
It's all a spook.

>ITT: Either technological progressivism or Adorno-esque cultural erosion
Thinking that society is impelled toward some end is a terrible method of thought. On Veeky Forums, I think this derives from a combination of memetic Hegel worship and a rose-tinted nostalgia for past culture. The rabble has always been completely banal in their cultural habits. At worst, mass-consumerism homogenizes that banality. There will always be a small corner for eccentrics to hide in.

this reads like something frmo sam hyde and I like it!

Capitalism has been in its "late" stage for almost 100 years now. "Late" capitalism, regardless of the accuracy of the division between pre marketing and speculative finance based capitalism and contemporary capitalism is, is a fantasy. The fantasy that capitalism will "undo" itself has plagued the left since Marx.
Capitalism is reaching stages of material development that Marx anticipated would only be reached on the boundary between socialism and communism, and yet the entire process is integrated into the network of private capital and total planetary exploitation.

There are no airbags on history. All things being equal ya a new microtargeted media fracturing culture into personalized bubbles seems to be the emerging paradigm but I think you're underestimating the tendency of human beings to seek group validation and thereby condition themselves towards a common or leveled down public taste.

We're just going to slip into a more abstract-bizarro level of hell when this one is gone--and this one is already weird as fuck.

do you mean, that a rival ideology might flurish. but most social structures stay the same untill they crumble under major stress. this is banal, but it means, that one would have to conceptualize that stress factor in order to know the possible end/change of our current system

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10/10 post, though I question the notion that culture is now more fractured in a post-globalized world. At any rate, the dialectical interpretation of history seems to have finally met its demise.

A rival idea can and will exist within a system where only a single idea is tolerated, even when there is no dilemma or stress whatsoever, as the idea can in itself invent a dilemma, no matter how trivial or untrue, and it will latch on to any scrap of evidence that may give it credence. This can be quelled-- not destroyed-- only through the sacrifice of freedom of expression and discrimination.
The problem here is, the ideology of the progressive, of no theory in particular, is set on story of endless upwards mobility, or mobility in a any societal direction regardless if deemed positive or negative, and eventually, one would assume, would narrow to an end of the ideal human society through and unending process of correcting and changing ideas over a time. This is a paradox, as you have a society endlessly "progressing" into nowhere, unless your goal is subject the wandering human psychosocial condition permanently under the heel of what could only be assumed a government or other entity overlooking a society.

>late capitalism

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>They don't need soma
The rise of anti-depressants, opiate misuse, and persistence of other recreational drugs would suggest otherwise. Modernity isn't satisfying and prescription & illict drugs are one area it breaks at the seams.

>Modernity isn't satisfying
what would it take for life to be satisfying?
and *modernity isn't satisfying for x amount of people at times y1, y2, y3, etc.

>HEHE I GO TO BAR ON FRIDAY NIGHT XDD I HAVE GIRLFRIEND AND WE GOING THROUGH TOUGH TIME.. GLAD I CAN STILL AFFORD TO EAT THIS BAGEL THOUGH.. I NEED MY BAGEL TO GET THROUGH A TOUGH WORK DAY AT THE SLAVEATORIUM
Millenial, naive, overly-enthusiastic middle manager kool-aid status quo cucks irrevocably eviscerated.

read steven pinker goy
absolute poverty is down, lifespan is up, healthcare is up etc etc therefor the current system is flawless

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Boi capitalism has only just begun

>our definition of happiness is up and everyone who disagrees is in a bombed out 3rd world country
>the current system is flawless

Steven Pinker actually makes Zizek not sound like a retard when he says "The very way with which you look at problem, might be a problem in itself.". Goddamn (((Enlightened))) professor trying to sell us the snake oil of late capital

EXTREMELY GAY TWITTER PSEUD VOICE: you think we're in late capitalism? lol at you
eggsellent post but you forgot they're going to take away subjective consciousness so that no one can think about what's happening, they're also going to engineer slave monsters golems to do all the engineering legwork. Asian-Nigger hybrid bugs that have reduced features, specifically designed to die at 50 like in BNW. the rest all checks out, also don't forget we'll all effectively worship Satan, they will subtly introduce the worst version of Satanism possible into the global consciousness. And cannibalism will be legitimized, blood sports will come back. But, the post covers most of it. Glad to see there are other people who are forward thinkers!!!

found the twitter pseud, it took me a sec. should have waited but i'll bump the thread just to say I found the faggot twitter pseud
and there's another one! like clockwork!
this isn't just millenials or middlemanagers
>absolute poverty is down
not in Africa
>lifespan is up
in the West
>healthcare is up
obesity is too
>the current system is flawless
ok, we'll see when the next business cycle fluctuation happens

this is why I come to Veeky Forums

the sheer amount of BASED

Crumbs of truth in a heap of shit. You are just way too cynical about how the 1% operates. Also why is it bad that a minority of superior humans get what they want while the inferior are left behind, it's a basic structure of our hierarchical society. Also trust me, if the chances for equal opportunity are stunted in any modern society there will be massive uproar. You're just projecting your own failures in society. I do, however, praise your writing, as it is witty and engaging.

I should just copy that post and paste it over basically every book of a conty analyzing capital since the 60s

>not in Africa
I don't agree with Pinker at all but you're missing what absolute poverty means faggot

>You are just way too cynical about how the 1% operates
not even remotely cynical enough he left out narco-capital and raping children/eating them
> Also why is it bad that a minority of superior humans get what they want while the inferior are left behind, it's a basic structure of our hierarchical society
because they'll turn us into entertainment, food and mortar
> Also trust me, if the chances for equal opportunity are stunted in any modern society there will be massive uproar
they are already stunted, most people have little to no chance of becoming a millionaire they're placated by techno-capital, that's what he's talking about, culture industry sedates the populace
>you're just projecting
you're just apologizing
>meaningless compliment

>You're just projecting your own failures in society.
not that user but how is that different from any social critique ever? do we have to be lucky enough to be born into the right caste to write social theory?

>unnecessarily long and contrived sentences

pls relearn how to write OP

>Also why is it bad that a minority of superior humans get what they want while the inferior are left behind
>You're just projecting your own failures in society
All I hope is that before humanity goes over the brink into that hellscape he was talking about, I get a brief window to personally beat the shit out of (or put a bullet in the spine of) spineless bootlicking slugs like you.

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Observe the late capitalist insect brained internet user in his home environment, dreadfully confused by non-simple sentences. Luckily there are dozens of adult cartoons and “craft beers” for him to enjoy!

>All I hope is that before humanity goes over the brink into that hellscape he was talking about, I get a brief window to personally beat the shit out of (or put a bullet in the spine of) spineless bootlicking slugs like you.
I disagree with that user in that it will be an unconscious slide into the hell, it will be extremely violent for many. That doesn't change the fact that it will be subsumed by hyperreality, which with the internet feeds on itself. Regardless of technological advancement there will be massive ecological/demographic crises that cause global upheaval, I think (and secretly hope) that it will spill over into the developed world enough to cause a violent rupture with techno-capitalism. However, I'm not naive enough to think if that there is some violent revolutionary rupture that whatever comes after will be any better, in fact it may be much worse.

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Then I hope that I or whatever progeny I have dies in the chaotic scramble against the end. Better an unremembered martyr than a slave.

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gay thread

also late-capitalism is the biggest pseud term around

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Is 'capitalism' too broad to be considered a single entity?

I'm not the OP but I believe the most precise statement about capitalism is to say it's "an emergent effect of a particular type of geopolitical and economical organization". In this sense it can be a thing with properties that are particular to it, however it cannot exist as "singled out" without its components (for now, humans, and if you believe in early Nick Land thought, not for long).

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>unremembered martyr
But what are you martyring for? It's spooks all the way done. Gaslighting.
It won't just be unremembered, it will be for nothing.

I know what it means you dumb nigger, its a propaganda term that's an excuse to call having no savings, being an insane wage-slave and eating mcfood an improvement over what our parents had and what our grandparents had. My fucking grandpa owned a house for 10,000 and even as poor as shit spics they were all able to own property. My parents have only owned one property and it was foreclosed on because of adjustable rate mortgage fraud from BofA. Fuck yourself and your whole family
found another one! like cockroaches when mom drops the pan of cookies at christmas!!

The end goal of Communism sounds really fucking boring just like the Christian concept of heaven I can’t wrap my head around why people would want it. If you actually think about it a perfect world would be horrible, spending eternity with god in the clouds sounds more like hell to me, same with communism, no conflict, no borders, no fun.

>Post-capitalism
>Implying that capitalism will ever end and not just consume us all

When discussing this topic I see a lot of critique but little actual solutions. In the modern era capitalism was criticized first by the Marxists with the solution of the communist utopia, then followed up by the third positionist (of which I'm more familiar) embraces the nation as the block of culture and society, and with that came corporatism or national syndacalism. Anything after is unremarkable and has yet to prove itself.

What is there to solve? I strongly believe capital has co-opted even ideology, see posts like the above where guy is simultaneously claiming everyone is projecting their inferiority complex and also that most people are objectively inferior to the 0.1%. What makes the current system of oppression so good is precisely that it hampers our political and economical freedoms in exchange for many pleasuring individual freedoms (the "opium of the people" in many ways has become "people" themselves).

In sum, the reason we don't see propositions of solutions is because even criticism of capitalism is ensnared and entrapped in thinking through capitalist terms. We can barely conceive of something that is not similar to what we have now, let alone imagine living without the conditions that allow mass production of technology, mass surveillance, third world impoverishment, etc. We might be taking the proverbial machinic dick of capital up our asses, but it's also feeding delicious cheddar melts right into our mouths.