>tfw Tolkien will never be your dad
Tfw Tolkien will never be your dad
Alexander Long
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Alexander Martin
The Lord gave me the father I do have for a reason, user
Henry Wood
Written legacy of my father is receipt for ammo he bought to shoot himself. I use it as a bookmark nowadays.
Bentley Ortiz
This, but reluctantly.
Mason Howard
That's so sweet.
Jaxon Davis
lit
Austin Walker
>dad... why didn't the eagles just fly the ring to mordor?
>damn the boy
Noah Gonzalez
Because 1) flying the ring to Mordor would have done nothing but save time. Expediency didn't matter. It wasn't an issue until Aragorn goaded Sauron into launching his attack on Minas Tirith ahead of schedule. Frodo had the ring for decades until Gandalf uncovered its origin. The Fellowship took a month's vacation in Lothlorien halfway through their journey. It had been about 3,000 years since the wizards arrived in Middle-earth to deal with Sauron to begin with.
2) The ring couldn't simply be dropped into the caldera of Mt. Doom. There's a reason why Frodo didn't just drop it into the first lava flow he came across. The ring couldn't be destroyed outside of the forge. It could only be unmade where it was made. Why? Because magic. But that's how it worked.
3) Sauron had a strong military presence in the Plateau of Gorgoroth. He had an entire army stationed around Mt. Doom. Sauron himself was sitting at the top of a tower. I hardly believe that either Sauron or his tens of thousands of soldier would fail to see a giant eagle, or that an eagle could make it unimpeded to subterranean forge.
4) The only chance the fellowship had of success rested on the fact that Sauron didn't believe that his enemies would attempt to destroy his ring. He believed that no one could overcome the ring's corruption (and was completely correct in thinking so, too). Aragorn tricked Sauron into believing that he had the ring. If he knew that the ring was approaching Mordor, or was not with Aragorn, he could have surmised what Gandalf was planning. A suicidal air raid on his HQ would have been a fairly obvious tipoff that something was going on.
5) The eagles themselves would have been susceptible to the ring's influence, along with whomever the eagle was carrying.
Brandon Peterson
>dad... could I take your story to be an allegory for WWII?
>damn the boy
Gabriel Roberts
>all that text when the simplest answer is Gandalf doesn't control the eagles and they bow to no one
Ian Martin
The eagles are obligated to help Gandalf out though because he saved their king's life and is an emissary of the sky god who holds giant birds as especially sacred.
Ryan Turner
>tumblr
Veeky Forums is kill
Jose Fisher
>muh ebin tumblr rivalry
kys 2014 /v/edditor
Sebastian Mitchell
Jonathan Ross
>wwii
>not wwi since all the important parts of the book were written long before wwii
try hard allegory fags cant even get their shitposts right
Logan Roberts
>/v/edditor on my Veeky Forums
Veeky Forums is kill
Grayson Gutierrez
kek
Josiah Sullivan
6) Damn the boy.
Camden Wood
>dad... Frodo and Sam's relationship is sublimated homosexuality, right?
>damn the boy
Jaxon Ross
This
Eli Murphy
>I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
John Jenkins
he actually devotes 2 or 3 entire pages patiently explaining why its not allegory and continuing by explaining how he WOULD have writen it if it was an allegory for wwii or whatever along with pointing out the most important chapters had already been writen and unchanged for decades
Hudson Williams
>dad... why does you story read suspiciously like Der Ring des Nibelungen?
>because both me and wagner read the eddas, nibelungenlied, völusunga saga... we're basing our works on the same sources, and these are all tales that influenced one another
>but dad... do these sagas feature a ring that makes one master of the world?
>damn the boy
Daniel Ross
My Dear Lucy,
I wrote this story for you, but when I began it I had not realized that girls grow quicker than books. As a result you are already too old for fairy tales, and by the time it is printed and bound you will be older still. But some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again. You can then take it down from some upper shelf, dust it, and tell me what you think of it. I shall probably be too deaf to hear, and too old to understand a word you say but I shall still be your affectionate Godfather,
C. S. Lewis
Jonathan Taylor
Now I know Christopher Tolkien was the perfect man for the job of writing his dad's posthumous work.
Bentley Martin
>"The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa. Unfort[unately], not many retain that generous sentiment for long." ― Letter 61 — Written to Christopher Tolkien who was stationed in South Africa during World War II
>"I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White." ― From a Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford in 1959
>"I must say that the enclosed letter from Rutten & Loening is a bit stiff. Do I suffer this impertinence because of the possession of a German name, or do their lunatic laws require a certificate of arisch origin from all persons of all countries? ... Personally I should be inclined to refuse to give any Bestätigung (although it happens that I can), and let a German translation go hang. In any case I should object strongly to any such declaration appearing in print. I do not regard the (probable) absence of all Jewish blood as necessarily honourable; and I have many Jewish friends, and should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." ― Letter 29 — in response to Tolkien's German publishers asking whether he was of Aryan origin
>"It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." ― The Two Towers, "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit"
I wish /pol/ would stop claiming Tolkien and his "allegorical" story.
Samuel Murphy
>this butthurt autistic nigger again
holy shit
Xavier Perez
Or editoring his whole opus since The Hobbit, really. Thus The Hobbit turned out to be a children's story that was tested on the field.
Liam Martin
lotr is reactionary, not fascist or modern IQ nihilists like /pol/
Samuel Morgan
Such an obvious attempt to cook up a fake story to make himself sound smart and take credit for his fathers work. Dude lmao damn the boy
Gavin Myers
>make himself sound smart
He's a tenured professor at the world's best college, the same as his dad, he doesn't have to "try" to be smart he has the fucking qualifications for it.
Camden Cooper
to be fair this is only impressive because hes a white male and so had to make it on merit
Daniel Lopez
>kid nitpicking about irrelevant detail
>make himself sound smart
wat
Gavin Baker
reddit writing prompt?
Blake Morales
brainlets think paying attention to things and being annoying are traits only intellectuals have
Wyatt Sanchez
;_;
Tolkien hated Narnia desu.
Nathaniel Howard
This is the most Veeky Forums sentence I've ever read
Parker Robinson
> Dad, why the fuck is half of your last book spent after the climax of the film? I get that we need resolution for all the characters, but did we really need some fake tension in the Shire for 15 pages ending in a retarded brutal cliffhanger where the cute little hobbits shoot a man with tiny little arrows from their tiny little bows? Wait, why did they even have the bows again? To hunt with? And why was the resolution for Sam that he "get's the girl" when she hasn't been mentioned for over a thousand pages and wasn't particularly relevant to neither the plot or the character up until that point? And why bring up Frodo's supposedly lethal Nazgul stab when that also hasn't been mentioned for a thousand pages? Didn't Elrond cure him properly but just pretend he did? Why did that suddenly become relevant?
> Damn the boy
Aiden Morgan
faggot
Anthony Reyes
t.someonewhohasntactuallyreadit
Carson Wood
Damn the roastie
Jeremiah Harris
i think there are certain allegorical links to the First World War particularly with the harmless little hobbits finding themselves hundreds of miles from their homes in a situation much bigger than themselves
i think the problem with allegorism is when you try to make the series into something ideological. i don't think Tolkien was really trying to make any statement at all. he was just trying to have a story that made sense in a world that no longer did
Nicholas Walker
This is going in my novel!
Thomas Nguyen
Bentley Butler
>Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
Jason Nguyen
I've seen you around Veeky Forums recently. Are you trying to make this a pasta or something?
Noah Hughes
lmao
Jason Reed
I recommend Letters from Father Christmas. More personal love tokens to his children that quickly morph into war correspondence with Santa fighting goblin invaders.
Logan Jones
the reason this is silly is because: is every piece of writing where someone winds up far from home a wwi allegory?
is moby dick retroactive wwi allegory since the sailors find themselves in a dagerous situation surrounded by a monster far from home with no hope of reinforcement?
the reason people hate allegory fags is that you see it everywhere and interpret every detail as support for the allegory you see. you are literally no better than conspiracy theorists and nothing of value is added by seeing allegory in something which is a big reason tolkien himself didn't like it, its pleb hack nonsense only jerkoffs puff up their chest for "noticing"
Christian Brown
But someday you"ll be old enough to be kicked out of heaven forever, you lipstick and nylon wearing whore.
Thomas Hernandez
>tfw I never experienced the "wanting to be and adult" phase as a child.
>tfw I'm still desperately clinging to my childhood, shirking responsibilities and putting off actually "adulting" at 24.
>tfw I'm the most patrician of adults.
Jackson Ward
>writing a book for a women to read
awkward. thats like sewing your son a dress
Wyatt Jones
The user wasn’t wrong, though. In the introduction to LOTR Tolkien addresses exactly this misreading of the book. Ironies, all the way down, son.
Gabriel Martinez
what are you talking about? the original user was implying its wwii allegory. i pointed out that its doubly silly since it was mostly writen before wwii and he should at the very least be saying that its wwi allegory
Gavin Hall
Is this a quote from somewhere?
I just googled it quickly with no luck.
I think it's a beautiful sentence and if it is original content I claim it under article 121c of the international right to intellectual property citing the illegitimate nature of anonymous posting as grounds for the quote being unowned by its author.
Andrew Young
And I took the first user’s post as a pisstake on the misreading of LOTR that Tolkien himself contradicted. It was intentionally wrong, I thought. Tolkien suggested that there were likely thematic connections to WWI, but also denied any conscious allegory.
Jason Garcia
>after people getting v& for the things they post on 4chinz
good luck with that
James Turner
Who got v&?
Not that guy who always says "start with the Greeks"?
Colton Green
There was that guy on /b/ who said "predict your own post number and I'll tell you where her body is". And then the other guy on /b/ who posted pictures of his ex-girlfriend after he strangled her. And the other guy on /b/ who posted his homemade bomb...
Noah Sanders
im talking about im general in the history of the site. people get arrested all the time and are held accountable for the things they post
its not an anonymous website and zuckerberg even tried explaining that once but only made people mad. but to be fair most people dont understand what anonymous means
Josiah Hernandez
In the spirit of un-anonymity I shall name myself - I am Spartacus.
Leo Ramirez
Oh thank god it wasn't the start with the Greek guy.
Carson Hughes
funny, so am i
Anthony Peterson
Going to post a few pictures from my Tolkien folder before work. Then maybe I'll post the rest after.
Nathan Brooks
Cooper Carter
No, I am Spartacus!
Grayson Gonzalez
Jackson Torres
Matthew Phillips
Caleb Long
Isaiah Martinez
how new are you? do you think v& means banned?
Adrian Bell
Ryder Walker
Grayson Rodriguez
Aaron Hill
Tyler Gutierrez
Liam Lewis
eowyn is too qt
Logan Russell
Nolan Fisher
Josiah Howard
Andrew Gonzalez
Within reason, they refuse him when he asks too much.
Camden Barnes
Charles Smith
Just something I came up with the other day that I thought sounds cool. Reminds me of Hemmingway or something.
Ian Morales
Ethan Taylor
Cooper Morris
Henry Barnes
Ayden Bennett
there goes a schlomo
Daniel Hill
>But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.
Benjamin Wright
Nolan Diaz
guarantee that was a white person you said that to
Caleb Stewart
Jaxon King
Jose Myers
Dylan Powell
Dominic Morales
Isaiah Nguyen
Lucy wasn't the girl with the bow, that was the older sister. Lucy got a knife and a health potion
James Green
Anthony Jenkins
Joseph Mitchell