/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

Soft_member
Soft_member

Ellison Edition
how did H Ellison influence the genre?
how man of his books you read?
recommend some to new readers

FANTASY
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General:
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SCIENCE FICTION
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

first for sanderfag a hack

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I couldn’t finish his third stormlight book

massdebater
massdebater

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

If I read this next what would I be in for?

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Don't fall for the chink meme.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Went to amazon to read the plot description and...
Product description
"Wildly imaginative, really interesting." ―President Barack Obama (King Nigger) on The Three-Body Problem trilogy
Never mind then.

Techpill
Techpill

- very sino-centric
- not well translated
- dull protag
+ amazing concepts
+ nice historical sections
+ leads to excellent series

it's basically modern, 'golden-age'-esc scifi from a Chinese perspective. read it for sure my guy, even if it rubs you the wrong way power through it for The Dark Forest, which is bonkers good

FastChef
FastChef

Webnovels are novels too

massdebater
massdebater

why is heinlein so shit?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

veekyforums.com/thread/10872713/literature
As great as they all are, Night Watch is the best Vimes book by a long shot.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Night Watch is the best Pratchett book period.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Who hurt you?
Were you bullied by Afro Americans in school?
Did you walk in on your mom getting donkey dicked by a black guy?
Did a black guy take your sister's virginity before you could?
Did your dad admit he is a sissy faggot and ran off with a "bull"?
Did blacks knock your books out your hand at school?

What is this pent up frustration and Freudian want, that makes you mindlessly lash out in a fantasy and sci-fi thread about the skin colour of someone else.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Monstrous Regiment would like a word.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I want to write a Novel that at the end of the day is slightly different, more nihilistic tone than the rest of the novels that would come after it. And I don't know how people would react to it. Could it be done?

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Anyone hear or read The Night Land?

So it's sci-fi fantasy written in 1910 or something, it takes place millions of years in the future, one of the first literary uses of the concept of an arcology. Humanity exists in two giant metal pyramid arcologies. Every extinction event has already happened. The sun is extinguished, the moon crashed into the earth eons ago, everyone lives in a giant crack in the earth's crust where it's semi-warm and geothermal energy still radiates. Extra dimensional beings that devour souls surround the arcology, edging closer on a geological time line. The books theme is courage in the face of entropy, basically.

However, it's written in the worst possible prose ever and the majority of the book is a classic knight on a quest story line and it's tedious. Amazing setting, though. The knight is like a psychic chain-axe Beowulf astronaut dude though.

The fan fiction associated with it is top-notch though.

It inspired a lot of Lovecraft's writing, he gave it rave reviews but it's obscure in modern times. It's free on Gutenberg.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Try it.
I'll have to check it out.

5mileys
5mileys

redpill me on R. A. Lafferty

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

crypto jew. with a jew agenda.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Forgot the metal af cover art.

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Illusionz
Illusionz

There's also a "translated" edition from a few years back if one doesn't like the dialogueless prose of the first one, where like 95% of the paragraphs start with some variation of "and" followed by a first person description. Honestly it kinda reads like a young child breathlessly describing a trip to the woods or something.

and then I saw a big slug and it was yellow and it crawled down a branch

SniperWish
SniperWish

Yeah that is The Night Lands: A Story Retold, it was written in the 90's or something and is supposed to imitate the style of 1950's sci-fi novels.

The original is fine, once you get used to the pesudo-archaic language it's easy to read. Much of the book is filler "Hark, I hid in the bushes by the fire-pit and took once a water pill and made a broth of mine nutrition capsule, ect, ect, ect" it's okay to skim through. The fan-fiction which some has been published is written in a modern style and it's very good, if you like sci-fi or fantasy.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

What's some urban fantasy to veer me away from consuming VNs like Fate/Stay Night

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

my novel

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

interactive fiction.
go play zork.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Telling lies is second nature to Casey Clemens, whether she's talking to strangers on national television or to her mother on the phone. Casey's got a cushy Hollywood condo, an efficient cleaning lady and a rich boyfriend (nevermind that he's married). When Casey feels dissatisfied she fantasizes: about winning an Oscar, about finding real love or about her childhood hero, King Arthur. It feels like an acting career, sort of, until the day before Casey's 40th birthday when she loses everything she never cared about, falls through a gap in time, and lands in the 6th century war camp of King Arthur himself. He mistakes her for a wizard and takes her in. But as she finds her feelings warming to him she also finds enemies. War is fast approaching, and the Dark Ages are a perilous time for an actress with an honesty problem. That is, if she wants to make it back to the 21st century alive. Not that she could if she wanted to. Not that she wants to.

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

his novel

Supergrass
Supergrass

see a book
get slightly interested in it
see the author is a female
lose all interest and disregard the book
Anybody else do this?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

No

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

No, because I always read the author's name before the title.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Once you've played Zork go play Trinity. archive.org/details/ClassicTextAdventureMasterpiecesofInfocomMacintosh

farquit
farquit

I'm enjoying them all a whole lot so i'll look forward to it.

iluvmen
iluvmen

I would argue you won't get the most out of Night Watch until you've read at least a few other Vimes books. They're all great though.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I avoid most female authors and can't really take them seriously. They seem to churn out some of the most garbage novels I've ever read in my life at a higher ratio then men. Obviously there are outliers, but those are pretty rare.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

yeah i'm slowly going trough the different story lines apart from Rincewind's. One Death book here then maybe a Witches book there, so i'm planning on going in order trough the story lines just not necessarily one book after an other.

Snarelure
Snarelure

If you haven't read it yet, The Truth has my -ing favorite one-book character in the series.

DeathDog
DeathDog

hmmm the Industrial Revolution is one story line i haven't started but the premise of The Truth sounds quite interesting. Gotta say of the starter books in the different series probably his strongest ones are Guards Guards and The Wee Free Men, both Mort and Equal Rites still feel pretty rough around the edges.

FastChef
FastChef

What are your opinions on Memory, Sorrow and Thorn?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Yeah, that's fair. It's been years but Equal Rites isn't quite as memorable as some of the others.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

i like the homely tone of the beginning in the mountains and Granny slowly teaching Esk the craft but it gets a bit dull once she makes the journey to the city. Guess that's why I like TWFM so much considering it keeps the pastoral setting and feel for most of the story.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I want to write a fantasy novel about a character that gradually goes from decent human being to a full on tyrant. But I feel like there are tons of those now.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Doesn't mean you can't put your own spin on it. One great example is the Bartimaeus Trilogy, if you don't mind YA.

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iluvmen
iluvmen

Just because someone is a tyrant doesn't mean they're a bad person.

Inmate
Inmate

Monstrous Regiment would like a word.
Pretty sure you and me are the only people on earth who think that

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Doesn't make us wrong, now does it Private Parts!?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I first read it when I was like 12 and missed every single joke in the book lol

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Go reread it then

WebTool
WebTool

That's the spin I want to go for. Well I suppose we'll see how it turns out.

w8t4u
w8t4u

I haven't gotten around to reading her stuff yet, but everything I've read about her and reviews for her work leads me to believe Leigh Brackett is the only female fantasy/sci-fi author worth reading.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Do the opposite and tell grimderp to go fuck itself.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

yeah I think the trope is called Good is not Nice, and i'ts pretty understandable like if someone has to do questionable stuff to ensure the safety of the people

FastChef
FastChef

I thought the previous book was better, but this is still a solid enough entry in the series.

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Is Left Hand of Darkness actually good? Just picked it up and Le Guin's rambling introduction is cringy.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I'm going to give my protagonist is /fit/ amazonian love interest and there's nothing you can do about it.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

/fit/ amazonian love interest
sounds good to me

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Jokes on you friend that is my fetish.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Comfy, but kinda slow paced

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

user, I require of you contrition, for Cherryh exists.

SniperWish
SniperWish

don`t read it, heroin is easier to quit

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Women should be banned from writing

SniperWish
SniperWish

Reading introductions is rarely a good idea. It's a good book, especially for the time it's written, and that's why it won every prize going. I still preferred The Lathe Of Heaven which is a slimmer volume of more straightforward new wave SF, but that's my taste.

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w8t4u
w8t4u

Generally introductions are either "author thanks their family/friends/editor/whoever" or "Famous Author tells you why the book is important", the former can be skipped and the latter is only for people who don't read SFF fiction but heard about this one book that's actually good.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Why would I want to do anything about it?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Do you mean Urban Fantasy like "Harry Dresden, Wizard Detective" or like "Ankh-Morpork is a big city in a fantasy world"?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Robin Hobb is one of my favorite authors.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

t. incel

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

In general no, but specifically with SFF, yes. Women seem to churn out a lot of cheap schlock in the genre. All that urban fantasy garbage and SciFi that deals with really ephemeral modern bullshit issues.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Good god there's another out already. That guy can really crank.

Nojokur
Nojokur

The first half was great but after he finds the girl it becomes such a slog to read through and I had to really force myself to finish. I didn't even mind the prose that much and I could just about handle the constant description of stopping for water but when he starts adding in the kisses my sanity reached its limit. It's a shame because he has fascinating ideas.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Women's place are walking onaholes.
This is what sff has taught me over the decades.

likme
likme

#1 bestselling sf author
Hmm yes I see.

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Methnerd
Methnerd

Comfy, but kinda slow paced
tadwilliams.txt

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Treasure Planet is literally just Book of the New Sun

Prove me wrong

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

If this is how you react to someone saying nigger on the internet, maybe you should go psychoanalyze yourself.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Quit being such a nigger.

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I'm such a tough guy!!! Look we say words on the internet I would never say irl infront of certain personages.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Giving them the attention they so desperately beg for makes you a fool too.

reading The Dispossessed
all those fucking weird names
I like Ursula but fuck, just name your characters something Earth related it doesn't matter anyway

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I got this from a bargain bin for 1 dollar. Is it worth reading?

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

What should I read next if I like
Wolfe
Swanwick
Eschbach
?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Yes it's worth reading but if you've never read that author before be prepared that he likes to write 100 pages when 5 would do.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Wolfe

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

There isn't any of him left to read, I'm afraid.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Vance.

Playboyize
Playboyize

oh, I've read all the good Vance as well, or at least enough that I don't have much appetite for him at the moment

Firespawn
Firespawn

Non-Dune Herbert. White Plague, Dossadi Experiment, Hellstrom's Hive

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Interesting suggestions! The Dosadi Experiment has been on my radar for a while.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

You sound pretty rustled.

5mileys
5mileys

Why is ubik so good homos?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Blindsight

hairygrape
hairygrape

What should I read after finishing the foundation trilogy ? really liking these books.

Techpill
Techpill

Read something completely different. Widen your worldview.

Methshot
Methshot

Because it's scary and relatable, also funny at times

the coin door

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Blindsight

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Library at Mount Char

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

BLINDSIGHT

RavySnake
RavySnake

Harlan Ellison encouraged people to push the boundaries
I've read a couple of his anthologies
Medea is a cool world building / shared world exercise
Angry Candy was my favorite of the anthologies I have read
7 Against Chaos is a cool throwback to the Silver Age comics

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Gentlemen, I bring you reports from the frontlines.
I have often asked about the possibility of someone someday producing a literate Big Mech story, arguing that the same has been done in the revival of Space Opera
I believe the first example has now been found
Reading Gardner Dozois Years Best SF 26th edition I read the short story Shining Armor by Dominic Green
In it a town on a poor blighted planet threatened by a mining megacorp must revive their Mk 73 Infantry Unit, aka Guardian, a massive roboting war machine and its elderly pilot must go into battle one last time
It contains elements of the 'space western' planetary romance, and parts of the story are reminiscent of High Noon or The Seven Samurai
It was pretty good

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happy_sad
happy_sad

Oh hey. Its online:
clarkesworldmagazine.com/green_04_14_reprint/

w8t4u
w8t4u

Just finished War of the Worlds
What should I read next?

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Bidwell
Bidwell

gormenghast

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Forever War

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

does anyone here buy new hardcovers even though they're all glued crap? Am I just hating on glue? I don't live in a very humid/dry area so should it be ok to have glue?

Soft_member
Soft_member

Book of the New Sun
I never read this but I liked treasure planet, if only for the setting, despite how shallow it was. Should I give this a chance? I've read Gene Wolfe's The Knight, and I thought it got really dry so I never bothered with BotNS.

askme
askme

I don't read physical books anymore.

WebTool
WebTool

sword and sci-fi genre
poses interesting philosophical questions
has action
has sex
has only two genders

Anybody else read the gor series?

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Methshot
Methshot

someone post gor-pasta.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

pop by /r/fantasy
post a screenshot of what you find

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

thats like asking people to intentionally put hot firepokers in their eyes. why would you do that user?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I loved the lore!
Sounds like you're ready for Brandon Sanderson.
It's hard to shitpost when reality does it so much better.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

I can imagine him now. Slightly overweight wearing a tweed coat in the hopes it will make him seem intellectual. He leans forward, gives you a smirk as though he is letting you in on a raunchy secret and says "Sounds like you're ready for Brandon Sanderson".

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

tfw Senlin Ascends is actually good
What a fun little read. Are the other books as enjoyable?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Is this the new Too Like the Lightning? Sounds like I would hate it, but the good reviews are piling up to such an extent I want to try it.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Manchildren

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Nah. For me it feels very exploratory. It's got an almost Wonderland vibe to it. I really like the simplistic narrative structure: ascend the tower and encounter a new, weird society isolated to that particular floor.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I have a few of those SF Masterworks books. Among their 60s-70s new wave titles, Silverberg's Downward To The Earth, Vance's Emphyrio, and Wolfe's The Fifth Head Of Cerberus are the better. In turn: a story of a man's spiritual redemption among sentient elephants, the coming-of-age story of a craftsman's son on a sweatshop planet, and a volume of three interlinked novellas about memory and humanity on twin planets with shapeshifting aliens.

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iluvmen
iluvmen

I really hate these new SF Masterworks covers
Why is everything viewed through a fucking green softdrink bottle?
The new Fantasy Masterworks are nice

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idontknow
idontknow

He's just meming because both of them have literal space"ships"

Emberburn
Emberburn

Oh I know. They used to be in a black scheme but many of those had bad late 90s computer art (pic related for bad Gene Wolfe cover). Many of the newer editions are merely these arts with a yellow/green filter. Some title use newer art with a filter and look great, some don't. The yellow colour scheme is supposed to be a throwback to the old Gollancz paperbacks. I have a few fantasy masterworks too. They changed to a minimalist style that works well, but I liked their older editions too which often had classic paintings.

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Not sure if this is the board/thread I would post this, but I had this intrusive thought while trying to fall asleep last night about an eldritch being that was born when the universe was young;
it consumes and consumes for its endless lifespan, eventually growing in size to that of planets, stars, galaxies, nebulas, consuming everything in the universe. But it's not satisfied. It consumes all of the galaxies in the universe, until it surpasses the size of the universe itself and eats it from the inside-out. Free from it's boundaries, it moves on to consume other universes in the infinite multiverse with one effortless gulp, forever growing for all eternity.

Is there a being in fiction already similar to this?

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Booteefool
Booteefool

That place is a fucking cesspool. I visited it once and the entire front page was filled with shit like "why you HAVE TO read more female/gay/minority authors or you're a bigot". Fuck off with that dumb shit.

King_Martha
King_Martha

It was so bad. I'm done with this hack.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

that was the only one with cg

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RavySnake
RavySnake

they must have reissued 5th head

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I'm surprised you even got that far. I dropped it halfway through the second book.

5mileys
5mileys

I consider this a ringing endorsement. 90% of the books /sffg/ hates end up being really fun and enjoyable reads.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Keep telling yourself that

TechHater
TechHater

I will, thank you. It's served pretty well so far.
Patrick Rothfuss
Ursula K Le Guin
Mark Lawrence
Steven Erikson
All authors I saw regularly called shit, all authors I really enjoyed after trying them. I first got the idea when I saw people calling GRRM's books shit here, despite really liking them myself. So I've just been assuming that the opposite of whatever /sffg/ says is true, avoiding the books that get praise and reading the ones people say are bad. It's worked very well.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

The irony is most people I know who hate blacks talk about being bullied by them in school, and how they would always get away with it by vouching for each other and saying "it's cause I'm black!!"

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Who hurt you?
Were you enslaved by a European American?
Did the slave master take your sister's virginity before you could?
Did your dad admit he'd rather be a sissy maid in the master's house and left you to work the fields?
Did the slave master ban you from learning to read on the plantation?

What is all this pent up frustration and Freudian wan, that makes you mindlessly lash out in a fantasy and sc-fi thread about the skin color of someone else.

TechHater
TechHater

Le Guin is good, only incels hate her, Erikson is fine

Rothfuss and Lawrence really are shit though and it's not a meme

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

reminder that Dan Simmons is the greatest living science fiction writer

askme
askme

who is Peter Watts
Is Simmons still alive? What's he doing nowadays, still writing?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Wolfe, Gene
A writer of books for boys. Certainly better than Martin. Has at least a voice of his own. Nothing I would care to have written myself. In mentality and emotion, hopelessly juvenile. Loathe his works about soldiers, sorcerers and seducers.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Patrick Rothfuss
Have you read through Wise Man's Fear yet?

I liked the name of the wind since it closes off pretty nicely, but upon rereading it, I noticed and really hated how pretentious the writing can be at times.

StonedTime
StonedTime

yea I only read books written for wimmen
XD

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

And yet I enjoyed reading them just as much as Le Guin and Erikson. Going to pick up some Sanderson books and give them a read. Think I will start with Stormlight since that seems to be the one people hate most (and therefore is probably the best work he has). /sffg/ is super helpful for finding new stuff to read, even if you guys don't mean to be.

FastChef
FastChef

Yes, I thought it meandered too much and he didn't cover nearly as much as he could have, but it wasn't dreadful by any means. I think Rothfuss is a great writer, but from what I've seen of him as a person his meteoric success seems to have gone to his head, unfortunately.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

who hurt you?

Nojokur
Nojokur

Yeah, the part between when he finds the girl and the girl passes out near the Last Redoubt, is very hard to get through and it's only broken up by couple of mildly interesting descriptions of the terrian and a few acts of violence. It gets extremely interesting toward the end though..

farquit
farquit

tfw the fantasy novel you want to write and the fantasy novel you can write are two very different things

happy_sad
happy_sad

yeah one is a novel and the other is nothing

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

you can do it

it might take you a dozen rewrites, but if you care enough and invest enough work you can get it up to the standard you want

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

only good book is Hyperion
Fall of Hyperion is a convoluted mishmash of pretentious bullshit
Endymion and Rise of Endymion are unreadably bad
?

Lunatick
Lunatick

I can imagine him now. Slightly overweight wearing a tweed coat in the hopes it will make him seem intellectual. He leans forward, gives you a smirk as though he is letting you in on a raunchy secret and says "Sounds like you're ready for Dr. Peterson!".

Bidwell
Bidwell

read his books outside of the hyperion series

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Aside from ASOIAF, what should I read for fantasy with a decent amount of political intrigue?

TechHater
TechHater

However, it's written in the worst possible prose ever and the majority of the book is a classic knight on a quest story line and it's tedious.

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happy_sad
happy_sad

Cool. I need to read this, if only as fuel for my own writing.

RumChicken
RumChicken

They're even worse.

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TechHater
TechHater

Lmao I'm not gonna give him another chance after the travesty that was Fall of Hyperion

He has proved himself as a subpar writer in my eyes

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I will stab you with a rusty knife

iluvmen
iluvmen

What are some good smutty books? I've read Wild Wastes, which has shitty formatting, and Good Intentions, which is all-around awful.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

You could try the dinosaur one somebody posted a few threads ago. I think it was called Tamer.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Based on the writing quality of his other stuff, I would suggest not bothering with it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

The end was very satisfying I admit.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I actually enjoyed Ilium and Olympos, but i did read them about 10 years ago

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Yeah, I just read the reviews.

"Unfortunately, the authors feel the need to remind us, every three sentences, that the females are attractive, our (celibate) hero finds them attractive, our hero thinks of them possessively, and that we have to be told that the females are smart assets of survival. Tons of tell AND show.
Combine that with a setting that seemed lifted from a mediocre MMO survival video game, and I was unimpressed."

"For all the fetishes he plays with, the book is remarkably free of actual sex. He's absurdly focused on showing just how good a guy he is, and just how much he respects the other group members (while constantly staring at bits of them and generally being brainless around them). The end result is like the set up for porn but without it ever actually getting there. So, if you watch porn for the story, you might like this."

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

reading reviews about books

5mileys
5mileys

Yup, and I even wrote one.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

absolutely disgusting

Evilember
Evilember

You acknowledge hatred of Africans stems from their violent behavior and r-selction mating strategy. Basically you are one step away from being nat-soc and you dont realize it yet.

I meant it's really ironic you're trying to be condescending but yes, those are exactly the sort of reasons you should hate blacks. Haha man that really chuckles me up.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

authors name looks familiar
look it up
she's the fucking english voice actress for ryoko in tenchi muyo
Holy shit, I haven't thought of Tenchi in years. I had a bunch of Tenchi VHS tapes growing up. I kinda want to rematch it now.

Spamalot
Spamalot

where do I start with cherryh? looking for something boner inducing

Evilember
Evilember

He's absurdly focused on showing just how good a guy he is, and just how much he respects the other group members (while constantly staring at bits of them and generally being brainless around them)

wow truly litrpg is the heir to pulp, evocative of the greatest pulp stories such as "Conan and the mystery of why girls don't like nice guys"

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

This one has the best story I've seen in any smut so far, it's pretty good. There's also the Warlock Trilogy, which has THE WORST prose I've ever seen (he exchanges you're and your pretty liberally, among other things), and is urban fantasy (eww), but has some nice girls and despite all of this, I still find it better than Good Intentions. Another is Valens Legacy, that is also urban fantasy and it's pretty mediocre throughout. Which means it's not horrible, just very very average, at best. Which is surprising, seeing as the other book by the same author (different pen name) Portals of Infinity is such trash.

The one with the dinosaurs honestly isn't THAT BAD, just the first half of it is. Man, that first half sucked! He keeps reminding us just how good looking every female that is in the book is, and he does it over and over again. The first 20 pages were all about him describing every single of the 20 women that was at a pool party. Then the rest of the first half was him ogling at other women and making a fool of himself. The second half gets better (I think one of the authors left, and the book improved because of it), but it really only gets good at the second book.

Then, if you're willing to lower your standards even further (I am not, tbqhwy), there're a bunch of litrpgs around.

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Supergrass
Supergrass

hurt what?

askme
askme

So you like the mind rapey litrpg that's all sex and no story but hate the well written one. Gotcha

Flameblow
Flameblow

good intentions
well written
Nice joke. Good Intentions is shit.

eGremlin
eGremlin

It's better written than Wild Wastes that's for sure.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Will read, thanks.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I don't understand. Do you mean sexually arousing or something else?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

post link to book 2/3 download for that heartgem homestead
Can't find em anywhere

Playboyize
Playboyize

I dunno, I read through kindle unlimited.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

yeah a good mix of scifi & smut

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Any non-european fairy tales worth reading besides The Orphan's Tales and The Golem And The Jinni?

I loved both of those now I need something new

takes2long
takes2long

I can’t believe this is real

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I know right? People enjoying fantasy books. Sickening.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

You can go back now.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Mediocre.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Wild wastes has better written smut and thats literally the only thing that matters.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Think I might reread Road Side Picnic after Brave New World.

What are some dystopian/post apocalyptic scifi books? Something set on another planet but very lonely.

Techpill
Techpill

I haven’t but when I was young my Stepdad’s friend who was in the army told me about how it was like the best thing he’d ever read in high school and how he beat his meat to the “Warrior Witch of Hel” because it had all kinds of passages about her “muscular buttocks” flexing while she cut off warlockes’ heads and stuff.

He was a cool guy.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Whatever the cyoa ones are called by Amanda clover

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Yeah, um. You're not really gonna find anything by Cherryh like that.
Hestia might excite you somewhat, but Cherryh doesn't do a whole lot of salacious detail in any of her writings.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Fuck whoever recommended Red Rising. Made me read some YA piece of shit.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I like this

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

did you like the gri tho

Snarelure
Snarelure

Roadside Picnic

Firespawn
Firespawn

So apparently Amazon is interested in adapting The Three Body Problem trilogy as a series. What would you hope/would like to see the most? What do you think they'll inevitably fuck up?

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

This is gonna be a shot in the dark but I've spent the last decade trying to remember this scifi series I read in middle school.

Future war kinda stuff, I believe it was only human, no ayyylmaos.
Really my strongest memories of the books are of the technology. Most of the rifles and pistols, and even some larger machine guns actually shot bits of wire. They would load a spool of some metal wire into their guns which would be snipped and accelerated.
Later on perfected flechete riffles were introduced.

They also had personal short use antigrav units instead of jetpacks or parachutes. Their fighter "jets" were entirely gravity control based units.

I know this isn't much to go on.

FastChef
FastChef

and that's a good thing!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

u wot m8?
Ilium>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hyperion

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Just hope they can capture the weirdness, and I hope they don't bumble just how terrifying that Sophon anime bitch is

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

They don't have a good track record of producing tv shows.

farquit
farquit

no its not
you're mediocre
you stupid stupidhead!

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Concept and setting are really cool but it drags on for fucking ever when he walks through the lands and just describes his daily routine again and again. I couldn't finish this book no matter how compelling the setting was.
He is right.

Playboyize
Playboyize

The Judging Eye

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Siberian mythology is pretty interesting, as is Babylonian. The epic of Gilgamesh.

Also read journey to the West from the chinks. It influenced their storytelling more than anything and today every second story or movie the chinks write is an adaption or retelling of the monkeying sagas.

Emberburn
Emberburn

oh new imperial radch
e, eir, ey
why you gotta do this shit? why can't you write normal scifi without injecting your stupid pronoun shit everywhere

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What did you expect from a woman author?

Lunatick
Lunatick

star wars

viagrandad
viagrandad

Probably The Engineer Trilogy by KJ Parker, or maybe something by Guy Gavriel Kay? Honestly there's not a lot in fantasy. If you haven't seen it the Rome TV series is excellent for political intrigue.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Thank you. I'll check out Parker, Kay, and the show Rome.

I'm told historical fiction in general is good for this kind of thing, right? I believe it's where Martin got a lot of his inspiration.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Galactus and other "planet eaters" from the Marvel universe.

Evilember
Evilember

Baru
and
this

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Thanks! Both now on my list.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Do the contrary of this chart then.

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

That's a troll chart anyway, though, and half of /sffg/ loves many of those books.

I've read and enjoyed these.

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

is Зыкoв ok ?

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Illusionz
Illusionz

No, it's fanfic-tier.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The long price quartet

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

can you recommend another Russian book ?

farquit
farquit

>a black nat soc
don't see that happening

idontknow
idontknow

Anything by these dudes: ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Генри_Лайон_Олди

hairygrape
hairygrape

Something set on another planet but very lonely.
Hull zero three

Playboyize
Playboyize

thanks

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

if I enjoyed something that means you are a troll
Go neck yourself

StonedTime
StonedTime

Not an argument

likme
likme

Most of /sffg/ likes it. One person made a list of books "to avoid" either as a troll or because that person assumes his or her opinions will actually help the majority of people who see the image.

So troll or idiot. Take your pick.

Emberfire
Emberfire

brainlet reads a scifi novel

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Myke Cole is a legitimate addition though, his stuff is sooo bad.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

First of all, "pronoun shit" is basically that series' entire gimmick. If you don't like it, stop reading it.

Second, gender studies crap is all the rage right now. I'm not saying you only have to read dinosaurs, but if you read new releases, you're going to get a hefty dose of the latest fad if you don't apply other filters.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Does this look like the fucking debate club?
If you want an argument or debate go find some friends. I'm not your friend and don't have time to waste trading barbs with you.
Seppuku

Emberburn
Emberburn

"It's popular, so deal with it" is not an argument. It should be expected to not deal with delusions on literature.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Nope. A lot of new books don't have pronouns shit.
tight pussy part 2 soon

likme
likme

nah clearly the SJWs are breaking into their houses and forcing them to read the book at gunpoint.

reads translation of Japanese text from the 1500s where the narrator refers to themselves as "watashi"
TRIGGERED

Snarelure
Snarelure

Well, I didn't make that argument. You, however, appear incapable of drawing the is/ought station.

If you read trendy books, you might encounter trendy but dumb ideas
but it SHOULDN'T be that way!

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

reminds me of Salt

Methnerd
Methnerd

Why is this so loved , when it's borderline self insert smut without the sex scenes.
The fist book I dorped, allmost at the end.

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

cause heinlein is revered and obviously cant do wrong. criticism doesnt apply to him.

idontknow
idontknow

How's the Galaxy's Edge series? I keep hearing good things, but I wanted /sffg/'s opinion.

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Back! And I did not even miss a thread. If you want to read and have not started yet it's about time, the book is really good.

Downloads: b-ok.org/s/?q=Childhood's End

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Beats me. I'm generally a fan of Heinleins books but TEFL is really bad, mostly because it's way to long. The end, after he travel in time, is the best part.

whereismyname
whereismyname

i got to part 2 and i can confirm. im actually on top of this reading this time.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Ayye I love this. Might read it again.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Do you usually read multiple books concurrently, or just one at a time?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

It's edgy. Stay away.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I usually read one main book and a short story collection at the side.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The Galaxy is a dumpster fire...
it takes two people to write this shit?

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farquit
farquit

To be fair you need to have a VERY high IQ to understand kindle unlimited writing like:
“KTF. Why do you leejes always say that?” The question comes from the sled’s turret gunner. Regular Republic Army, black and tan fatigues and a one-size-fits-all woven synth-steel helmet, polarized goggles pulled up on the top. We call these types “basics.” We made his Repub-Army butt take seat six the moment we entered the sled.

Twenties, LS-81 to Leej Command, took over on the twins. Combat sleds are quick and agile, and that doesn’t allow for heavy firepower. Their only defense is a twin medium-heavy blaster turret manned just aft of the cockpit, capable of a 360-degree field of fire. If a gunner is skinny enough, the twins can be pulled back to shoot straight into the air, too.

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Anybody have a decent short story collection they can recommend? One author or multiple, I don’t care.

w8t4u
w8t4u

what should i read between botns & urth?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Having read BotNS I can only recommend the other masterpiece set an undisclosed amount of time after a mysterious collapse of society where technology has regressed and where the past is a room people forgot the keys to, leaving the protagonist to make his way in a rigid, stagnant, slightly oppressive society that is a shadow of what came before:
Shades of Grey - Jasper Fforde.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I just wanted less shallan. why did that book have so much fucking shallan? fuck shallan.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

this, or just a shorter book. something that isnt a 1000 page tome.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

probably a stupid question, but are there any modern retellings (modern as in the writing style. for some reason style-accurate translations don't sit right by me) of these stories or other ones from non euro/russian mythology that don't suck ass

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

suggest something to me that's not epic fantasy

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I read that already & I'm butthurt he hasn't put outa sequel yet

massdebater
massdebater

Library at mount char

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I just finished it

Firespawn
Firespawn

Nik Perumov is pretty great

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

and also features one of the most hateable female characters ever...

holy fuck did I hate her

hoooooly fuck

she had one
fucking
job

Lunatick
Lunatick

she does exist indeed
but is a mixed bag at best
most of her standalone fantasy stuff is great
her company wars stuff is great
the subsequent novels "on the other side" of the conflict are shit
most of her serialised chanur novels and stuff is furry shit

and for some of her stuff you need to enjoy making a vocabulary list - and even then being withheld the simple information of "what does that title and job even mean?!" (as in cuckoos egg for example)

still, mostly, I recommend reading some of her stuff, but drop it like its hot if you cant get into it.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yep. It's a shame because overall I really liked the first trilogy, but she went overboard this time and it was pretty boring too.
The whole gender ambiguity was a stupid gimmick to begin with as it would fall apart instantly in a visual medium because you know, sexual dimorphism. Getting tired of being told to pretend it doesn't exist

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I literally rolled around on the floor laughing at the scene in jerusalem, when the speakers start blaring "kill the jew" and it turns out that those service robots working for humanity are actually muslim killer robots

TreeEater
TreeEater

It's not loved, it has a few good sections but overall it's long and tedious.

WebTool
WebTool

Misogyny is cool. You need a cock to write or appreciate quality lit. You are that cock, user. Be the cock. Tkae it into your mouth.

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FastChef
FastChef

I agree. Women do not belong here. It's just us dudes. Say, do you mind if I slip out of these jeans... it's kind of hot in here? Thanks. Wow. I feel so comfortable around you. It's cool just to hang out with guys. No pressure. Nothing weird. I'm just going to let this air out a little. Mmmm. You can do the same if you want. Do you ever taste your own cum, user? Like maybe just when it starts to leak out at first when you get hard. Women will steal that.. glad it's just us guys here.

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Haha yeah the women can't wrte.

Did you say mixed big?

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Mods = smashing gents, if I say so myself!

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happy_sad
happy_sad

and for some of her stuff you need to enjoy making a vocabulary list - and even then being withheld the simple information of "what does that title and job even mean?!" (as in cuckoos egg for example)
She usually provides one in the back if you really need it. Honestly the stuff I had the most trouble with was the Ealdwood stories. Alien languages, fine, but the bloody Celts?
most of her serialised chanur novels and stuff is furry shit
Jealously rears its ugly head :3

Bidwell
Bidwell

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Methshot
Methshot

The great thing about SJW sci-fi and fantasy is it's going to be HORRIBLY dated within a short amount of relative time and no one will want to read it later on.

Skullbone
Skullbone

It's good and they churn out a new book every few months it seems. Basically it's Star Wars, but the Storm Troopers are the good guys (that's how it starts out at least).

Emberfire
Emberfire

The Jerusalem Man trilogy.

TechHater
TechHater

sci-fi

Maybe. Sometimes when I go to my local library and marvel at all the old 60s-80s scifi books that haven't been checked out in years because they aren't by famous authors. The three main plot topics are generally driven by the then-trendy fears of nuclear war, overpopulation, and climate change. I've seen a couple that referenced the Soviet Union but were published right after it collapsed.

fantasy

On the other hand it's mostly impossible for fantasy to become dated because it's worst feature, it's lack of originality, is it's saving grace. The Epic of Gilgamesh hits a lot of the same plot points as the modern grimdarks, just with more of a nihilistic edge to it.

iluvmen
iluvmen

I want revenge stories. Give me revenge stories.

Like Counte of Monte Cristo but more fantasyish

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

On the other hand it's mostly impossible for fantasy to become dated because it's worst feature, it's lack of originality, is it's saving grace.
The really memorable fantasy series have a timeless feel to them. All fantasy tries to capture that feeling, but not all of them do it equally. The fact is fantasy also has fads and gimmicks that go in and out of style, and a lot of fantasy authors just try to make a quick buck cashing in on a fad, their works don't really tap into the timelessness and so they end up being forgotten. The authors who carve out a permanent legacy for themselves are the ones who strongly capture the timeless feeling. The diversity brigade as far as I have seen has few offerings that do this. They will join the ranks of the forgotten.

TechHater
TechHater

Mark Lawrence's Broken Empire, if you don't mind the protagonist being an edgy teenager.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I've already read a lot of those.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Library at mount char

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Read the trash and shit books on this chart then.

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Thanks to the user that recommended into the abyss. I'm reading heavenly host and I want to know if the saint fucks. Pious women lusting for dick is one of my fetishes.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Are you the mother fucker that rec'd that piece of fucking garbage to me too? Fuck you you bastard, I'm still pissed I read that dumpster fire

whereismyname
whereismyname

Red Rising in particular is about a slave getting revenge, sort of SF Count of Montecristo meets Hunger Games.
If the tagline "Ender, Katniss and now Darrow" doesn't steer you well away from this YA piece of shit, you may want to check it out. I finished the first book and the plot synopsis for the sequels are laughably retarded.
is bad, but at least it's weird and doesn't take itself as seriously as this dumb () and pretentious piece of grimdark shit.

The Traitor Baru Cormorant is on my read list but I don't know how much it revolves around revenge, but it will be probably YA tier trash as well.

Skullbone
Skullbone

but it will be probably YA tier trash as well.
It's not tho.

DeathDog
DeathDog

sci-fi from the 60's was written by the SJW's of their time too

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Why are Harlan's estate so stingy about releasing a good collection of his short stories?

TechHater
TechHater

Because you'll never leave Harlan alive.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

broken empire
LMAO let's take Blood Meridian
bits of BotNS
the absolute worst aspects of late Gurm
write it for teen Nine Inch Nails fans
add 40K gigagrimdark edge(without the wit of its predecessors)
and let's make the protagonist edgy Muad'dib only he's a 14 year old twink bullying grown men twice his size
you can also set off a nuke by dowsing it in pig fat and lighting it btw
mfw

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Spamalot
Spamalot

that's actually a very interesting point, mad

happy_sad
happy_sad

And people say there is no slippery slope.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

unironically saying SJW

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Methshot
Methshot

t. SJW

TreeEater
TreeEater

And it's horribly dated, but the SJWs of the 60s weren't nearly as retardedly insane as modern SJWs so their shit is going to be especially dated.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Yes it probably is, since they don't have magic and shit to fall back on. I've heard good things about Dorothy Dunnett's work.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

suuure buddy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They'd_Rather_Be_Right

RavySnake
RavySnake

only read the first book and it's legitimately one of the worst books i've ever read

FastChef
FastChef

The "Science Fiction Hall of Fame" published by the SFWA is actually good.

I'd also recommend The Rediscovery of Man by Cordwainer Smith, and any of Wolfe's anthologies.

whereismyname
whereismyname

They're simply carrying out the wishes of the decedent, surely.


Who does his "estate" even consist of? He was childless, unmarried, and as far as I can tell didn't have any close friends.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Didn't you like the part where he fights a necromancer with bows and arrows and wins? Or the part where Burly Thug #27 is wounded and he kills him because he's so edgy? Lmao what a pleb

WebTool
WebTool

Leo Carew - The Wolf

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

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farquit
farquit

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Techpill
Techpill

Thune's Vision

Flameblow
Flameblow

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StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Squat bro. I don't read slav.

askme
askme

That's just some covers we have here in Russia.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Bester's editor told him to just take a classic and transpose it into a sci-fi story. Bester used 'The Count...' as source. Pic related is exactly what you are looking for. Enjoy!

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Spamalot
Spamalot

rothfuss
RRREEEEE
WHY WOULD THEY TRANSLATE HIM INTO SLAV AND GIVE HIM SUCH A GOOD COVER?

Firespawn
Firespawn

why would the translate a popular book
Gee, I wonder.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I'm reading LoTR for the first time. I'm on the third book and it's pretty hard to follow. Is this normal or am I a brainlet?

Skullbone
Skullbone

You owe me a new pair of sides. Cheng Xin was always a cunt and I'm glad Tianming ended up with Ai AA

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Brainlet or underage.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Those books are shit. I don't know why people still recommend that trash.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Probably as a last gasp attempt to educate the uncultured swine currently being churned from the globalist edu-mills.

Firespawn
Firespawn

That's such a damn good book.
Seconding the recommendation.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Dude, you're a brainlet. I read LotR when I was eleven and understood it completely.

Illusionz
Illusionz

And you lot are fucking dinosaurs.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Oink for me piggu

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

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