Arguments against Individualism and Egoism

calling someone pretentious isn't an argument either.

>the most murderous ideologies in human history
>if you cant pay for the medicine you gotta go, like death
individualism isnt much more merciful

Pinkos out

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Communism is materialist just like capitalism, i despise both.
Im not a fan of NatSoc but I am a Fascist. and other than the Holocaust and Utase (no body like the utase) Fascism has a very low track record

> creates thread painting people he disagrees with politically as mentally inferior
> gets upset when called pretentious
It just keeps getting better and better

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>Im not a fan of NatSoc but I am a Fascist

Oh, the guy who said that you werent making arguments when you called me, the actual OP, pretentious...isnt me..
Thats another user fren

Except you fail to factor charity. Those who wish to give to those who have nothing will. If you want to give away your money and time, do so, but it will cost you. You. Not everyone but you, only you.
Voluntary charity is both more viable and desirable than compelled charity.

Im not here to make political arguments, only philosophy based ones.

>They claim to "care about others" but only because it makes them feel better about themselves.
Does this mean that they don't care about others? You're saying this as though it were a contradiction.

What about the types who say that the poor are just lazy assholes who need to get a job?

>other than the holocaust and death squads/torture security terror states of Brazil-Greece-Spain-Argentina-Chile-El Salvedor-Nicaragua and the holocaust and Utase there is a low body count

Compared to the good ol us of a this aint shit tbqh

>chile is fascist
>el salvador is fascist
>nicarauga is fascist
now tell me which leader do you talk about when you say Brazil?
Chile was Capitalist, it is NOT fascist. Do you even know what fascism is?

HOLY SHIT FUCK A SMALL COUNTRY IS TRYING TO NATIONALIZE ITS RESOURCES!
>procedes to render that nation to constant civil war, and also destabilizing entire regions and installing dictators in the name of freedumb

Ah, this should help against Liberals (lol who carss if it doesnt harm you) and Boomers, thanks user

lol fascism is a form of capitalism with socialist bulwarks, its not some special magic infallible noble 3rd position. military controls state, government meddles in industry but only to protect giga corps, terrify population, siege state, torture, secret police, warfare, death camps that’s fascism
relativist arguments for the moral superiority of a political system are evil

stop fucking talking to them
what exactly do you hope to achieve? they won't be swayed by arguments. maybe one day they when they feel their beloved individualism from the other end but even then they'll probably blame the gubmint.

>Voluntary charity is both more viable and desirable than compelled charity.
>more viable
beyond deluded

so basically you believe fascism to be every hollywood representation of a authoritarian dystopia...and fascism
wow, you're gullible.

>lol who carss if it doesnt harm you
Usually what's meant by this is "who cares if it doesn't harm anyone," and not just "who cares if it doesn't harm me specifically." In the latter case I see what you mean, but in the former it doesn't apply 100% of the time.

is the argument in the picture the one you are are fighting against? that is fucking stupid, how doesn't it affect me, you can't live in the society without getting affected by it, and if the society, with this I don't mean the whole 7 billion people but the part you are in contact with, is pathological and sick, then it will inevitably become part of you, you can't fucking avoid it, no one can, and the ones who think that they are smarter than their surrounding are the first ones to reflect all the negative characteristics of it, that they are supposedly fighting against,

and I don't want to only mind my own business, I want to fucking care about other people too and I want to, with high interest, ask myself what they do and what they think because that's a huge way to improve my viewpoints

>mind your own biz

*opens facebook*

Individualism is a fundamental aspect of the European character and stems from our evolutionary environment. It is good and bad: good in that it allows us to be very creative, inventive, artistic, etc.; bad in that it blinds us to the tribal behavior of others and causes us to believe that others are as individualistically minded as we are, when they aren't.

The main argument against individualism, or perhaps the argument for incorporating a greater degree of group awareness among whites, is that jews are currently attacking our societies as a racial group while browbeating whites who attempt to organize along similar lines. They have to be dealt with and kicked out, but that can't happen if we're all atomized individualists. It must be a collective effort that stems from white racial awareness.

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Since I found the cuck who im talking about let me share some screenshots of why this ideology enrages me so much

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"Just Me" is the egoist

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are you arguing on steam?

Charity fails because of the underlying understanding that for it to work it would need to collect enough money that the charity functions as a socialist branch of the state
this inherently creates for a crueler system if only a select few can get the resources needed and theres no good determining system other than drawing sticks

tl;dr some institutions shouldn't function under certain economic systems if lives are morally considered equal

Looks like discord, not steam.

>individualism is a fundamental aspect of european culture
no its not, the Germans aren’t individualists, neither are Italians or Slavs
>kevin macdonald parackeet
oh whoops haha sorry carry on faggot pseud you have a lot to tweet tweet tweet about

discord

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>Individualism is a fundamental aspect of the European character
why is this meme so popular?

Well obviously they're wrong to generalize that way. There are plenty of poor people who work very hard just to subsist. But luckily, economic mobility in the US is excellent. Its very easy to become well to-do (if not straight up rich) here than almost anywhere else, it just requires hard work.
But that aside, there is some validity to the criticism of poor people. With economic mobility being what it is, often times the reason people become poor or remain poor is due to poor life choices. There's also the fact that welfare is very commonly used in the US as supplemental to one's meager (or non existant) income. The system is commonly subverted and abused. I've known quite a few people to do this on a personal level, a majority of them white.
Overall its a shame, and if you ask me where the problem lies I'd argue its one of culture. That may seem like a loaded statement, but I mean across the board, not just in certain racial groups. We need to foster a culture of personal responsibility to teach people to make better choices and become successful. This affects everyone. The more prosperous, intelligent, resourceful, self-reliant people there are, the better a community becomes, its better for everyone.

You see why I hate these types of people so much?

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>muh charity solves everything
I sincerely hope the state takes possession of your private property.
Libertarianism is the ultimate pseud brainlet philosophy

I wish people like that would face the consequences of their thoughts. Like, when they get a heart attack in the middle of the streets, that people at that moment know that he doesn't give a fuck about them, so why should they call an ambulance.

we need a big "Im an egoist! I dont give a fuck about any of you" sticker for everyone who holds that way of thought. like the Jude patch in Germany

>the Germans aren’t individualists, neither are Italians or Slavs
All Europeans are far more individualistic than any other race. Germanic people conform to moral norms more than others but this only in part overlaps.

It's true. Who has invented everything and is far more likely to engage in extreme individualist pursuits like sailing around the world or climbing mountains for fun or becoming specialists in an obscure field? It's overwhelmingly whites due to this individualistic sense. And again this results in whites being more creative and responsible for 97% of all innovation.

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that's true though

>you realise that it would cost us a hell of worker capacity to prouce that for ourselves?
>you realize how many domestic jobs that would create?
I really wonder what his immigration policy is

How does he define "my people" as anything beyond "the people I care about"/how does he define "them" as anything other than "the people I happen to not care about"? It sounds like his argument here is "why should I be anything beyond whimsical?"

Thread should have ended here.

Refute my point friend. How is it less viable than compelled charity?
Good, voluntary charity benefits everyone. It enriches a community by providing opportunity to the have-nots, who may themselves be innovators or at least consumers who require some extra help. Nothing wrong with that. It can be precise and incredibly effective. It can even be moral. I don't have to give simply because it may be a gain for me down the road, perhaps I just want to use my resources to alleviate the suffering of others. Humans can be very compassionate.

American culture is based in simulacra, it is transpolitical in nature, and this is what gives it its strength, its edge, and is what leads to its recurring victory over other cultures. Europeans are closet homos who resent this. Read Baudrillard, a closet homo who understood a good amount about the country.

What's this brainlet shit? Read some books. Stop talking about all this politics stuff. God, I swear everyone who uses Discord is a fucking cretin. You're not even having a "debate" you're just getting baited by some fucking stranger.
>OMG the egoist is so evil!! I wish he'd face le consequences of his actions and have like a heart attack LOL >:DD
Psychotic retard.

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>21 century
>being a nazi
>being unironically right wing
>being ironically right wing
>having thoughts that would flag you as right wing in the media
>posting made up statistics on the internet
>not knowing how to address issues without getting called a nazi

I swear the west needs another war just to bash some sense int your small brains.

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I did nofap for 50 days and at that time I left the internet almost completely, once I started masturbating again here I am, thinking about death again, humbles out the stress, helps the breath get in.

>And again this results in whites being more creative and responsible for 97% of all innovation.
You're fucking retarded in both the facts you take for truth and what you deduce from them.

>muh all yuropeans are the same
brainlet...
>Germanic people conform to moral norms more
Drop the useless "ic". Let's talk about German*s*. Aka morally bankrupt slave race.

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Who says the charity must be government managed? Certainly it would be good for charities to be regulated to an extent, but why couldn't they function as private organizations?
I think its also worth mentioning that our current welfare systems are by and large a drawing of lots already. There are people who recieve aid that don't deserve it and those who don't recieve aid that need it.
I think the system would be more viable because it would (hopefully) shear off the fat, exclude those who don't need but would take and provide swift assistance to those who do.
Charity doesn't solve everything, but it helps act as a stop-gap for "economic inequality", in quotes there because said inequality is easier now than ever to overcome in first world countries.
The bottom line is this: if you've worked for something, you've earned it. If you haven't you don't. Taking things from people who've earned them and giving them away for free to those who haven't earned them is called stealing.
And no I'm not talking about general taxation. If you use something you should pay for its maintenance, that's why public utilities are taxed, and that makes sense.

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>gay quote
>gaudy black and white picture of cheap sculpture
every time...

You seem a good example of how postmodern philosophy warps one's interpretation of how the world works. America was strong because of its European roots/nature and nothing else. It is not phenomena based on some abstract bullshit, it is a phenomena based on a people. Europeans are abstract idealists but the resulting power and influence doesn't stem from the idea itself but the people who conceptualize it and try to bring it about.

Humans are both inherently individual and necessarily social.
I don't understand why there can't be a balance. Both are incredibly important qualities and people and societies can neither survive not thrive without either.

dull worldview. the "abstract bullshit" you talk about, aka culture, would arise from the people. you talk as if "the people" are nothing more than gene farms with no higher thoughts... very modernist perspective.... nihilist... die nazi.

These are not legitimate rebuttals, and seem like posts by bitter non-whites.

that theory doesn't take into account the geographical position of europe compared with the shitshow all the others had to handle plus with other factors like the connection with asia that would make the european race look shine in less glory, not to mention the "european values" the european unions is promoting while having two world wars and one cold war under their belt

You misinterpreted that post. The abstract idealism so prevalent among whites is a product of nature and race.

No, if whites are as individualist as you say, then they would have no qualms with mocking your pathological collective identity-centric illusions.
*drops mic*

then go and gas some jews you monkey, if it's in your power ofc

GEt out of South America first, you yankie.

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What? Europeans had to struggle through long winters and plan ahead more than others. The geographical environment was much harsher. But this is what in large part led to the European individualistic nature in question.

Commies, Nazis, Fascists, and all the like will all hang side by side.

Many do. And that's what needs to be overcome or better understood among whites so to combat the problems we now face.

it's mozilla's fault? really?

>sahara
>whole deadly australia
>sibiria
>himalaya
>actually africa as a whole

what the fuck are you talking about

>America was strong because of its European roots/nature and nothing else.
Sounds exactly like what a resentful European trying to take all the credit for the greatest country on earth would say, even though America fought against the Anglo-Saxons of Europe and separated itself from the death grip of the church, and has been incredibly successful (and still is) even though it has had a strong Jewish and black influence for over a century now. And the reason for that is because our cultural resolve is so unbelievably greater than Europeans that we are able to remain stable even with diversity.

>Europeans are abstract idealists but the resulting power and influence doesn't stem from the idea itself but the people who conceptualize it and try to bring it about.
Europeans are abstract idealists, but they didn't have the practicality the Americans had, which is why the Americans created the European ideal of one large nation consisting of many (the states) under a single flag before the Germans did. Yes, it was European blood that had the strength to create that in North America, but it was not just European blood that caused the Allies to win.

Next you'll say something along the lines of "but now the United States is falling into crisis, so so much for that strategy." Firstly: the greatest weakness of all things always lies in its greatest strength, so the eventual outcome is not a negation of the United States' unbelievable triumph even under conditions which combined the forces of European and non-European blood. Secondly, you're accelerating the timeline to an outcome that has not yet been realized: you don't know for sure that the United States will be collapsing anytime soon. While there's some local upheaval, I think that Europeans tend to overestimate the degree of the problem, because Europeans tend to not properly perceive the immense size of the United States and the types of people that are required to manage something of that size for the amount of time that it has been managed.

Many of those places were uninhabited or even came about relatively recently. Africa was also the easiest geographical location to survive in since food was available year-round. This is why Africans have high time preference, because they never had to plan ahead. You have no idea what you're talking about.

he also argued that in an ethnostate we shouldnt deport all the blacks because "muh based blacks would get deported and harm us" clearly showing that he only views success in terms of finances

Believe me you stupid mutt he's not a continental European, he's almost certainly an American talking about Europeans in a racial sense. Nice non-sequitur self-aggrandizement though.

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Opened up Opera and Veeky Forums was just fine

Superiority breeds jealousy.

>bitter non-whites.
You're probably a cultureless mutt, desperate for a group to cling onto.

> we now face
>we
There's no "we", fuck off.

Individuals make up the collective, it only seems like you're one of these individualists who only wish that everyone in society held this boomer-esque ideology

or you are trying to fit something into a frame it doesnt belong to, or better, trying to fix a frame that was broken and proved unsuccessfu last century

buy a fucking rope and hang yourself

Distinction without a difference, and I'm American. You admit that it is based on racial aspects and that non-white interference and diversity is only recent so there's no real point here other than what you want to believe. Unfortunately what you want to believe doesn't matter which is why you so carefully sidestepped the implications.

the collective is a concept made up by individuals in which they can hide themselves, there is no "I" in "we", and when I talk about "us" I dont talk about "me"

Post your le funny memes all you want, the fact is you are making fun of a culture that has yours by the balls, or has in fact already completely overridden yours from the world, and you're failing to realize why that is.

You're pretty bad at making assumptions.
I'm a traditionalist and not some individualist degenerate. I just don't give a fuck about countries or people who aren't my own, and certainly don't feel like there's any need for a "white" identity when I have my own culture, traditions and language.

Not so fast. For I am no European, my enfattened friends. Soon the Australian will have the whip hand over the American, and all shall be right with the world.

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>collective wellbeing

>You admit that it is based on racial aspects and that non-white interference and diversity is only recent
It's been strong enough to note for about a century. America has been a cultural powerhouse the entire century and still is. There is definitely a point: the point being that not only was it strong enough to endure it, but it even WILLED it. The strongest culture in the world willed it, and has survived. How the hell can anyone try to argue against that? To say that things could be done better in the future, well, sure. But to say that things were not done right previously, given the circumstances? You can't say that with a straight face.

your argument for its viability is sophist philosophical bullshit, there's nothing to refute

>arguing about whether something is good or not
>caring about the 'good'
>egoist
Stay spooked

I more or less agree, and that strength and showcase of will was a product of European racial nature.

>thinking about death again, humbles out the stress, helps the breath get in.
please say more

Ah,a man of culture I see.
I myself am an American Ethnonat and view the concept of a "hwiet ethnostate" to just be white multiculti. However I can understand how white nats say that we must stick together to fend of the brown hordes.

Not to overstep myself here, but I feel a bit of kinship with Asussies as an American. You guys seems pretty cool in general. Somehow every Australian I've met (and most I've seen) has a great sense of humor and real down to earth personality. You also seem to whine about America the least among other foreign nations.
Just wanted to say that you guys seem like bros. Just putting it out there.

google it

>You also seem to whine about America the least among other foreign nations.
maybe because they're in the asshole of the world far away from the region you're shitting in

Now that doesn't make much sense, does it? If my argument is simply sophistry you could certainly point it out, couldn't you? Easily, right?
Go on, show me where I'm wrong. I think you can do it user. I believe in you.

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wow user, you are really cultured!