I pity Muslims. They don't know shit about their own history.
There never was a prophet called Muhammad. There never was a "Qur'an" written in Mecca. The Qur'an never mentions that Ka'aba cube. And why the fuck is their book so obsessed with Jews? There weren't any Jews worth mentioning in the whole of Arabia in the 7th century.
The name "Muhammad" means "praiseworthy" and it does not show up in any source before Islam. That means the name was invented for the Qur'an, making the historic existence of this supposed prophet very unlikely.
This disgusting religion probably originated in and around Jerusalem in the early 600s, where it developed out of some form of Christian influenced (bull worshipping) cult. For what other reason would the oldest standing mosque - the "Dome of the Rock" be constructed in the form of a Christian Byzantine temple?
Later this whole bullshit religion was further refined by a warlord named Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr, who needed legitimisation to found his own empire in the 680s. Al Zubayr took the writings of different authors, invented the figure of Muhammad, mixed in the cult pratices of Jerusalem Christian churches and voilà: He got the religion that provided the Umayyads with some divine legitimisation to rule in Palestine.
Shortly after Al Zubayr got killed, but somehow the cult he created survied.
The name of the alleged author "Muhammad" does not even show up anywhere before 680, when it was first minted on Jerusalem coins. The book, the Qur'an itself only came into existence much later in the early 9th century and even there the name "Muhammad" is only mentioned 4 times.
To fill this historic vacuum Islam later got its foundation myth, placing it's origin far, far away from Jerusalem in the Arabian desert. This was done by the early Muslims to distinguish themselves from Christians/Jews and to make up some claim of authenticity.
I pity Christians. Little did they know that their prophet Jesus was saved from the cross.
Colton Miller
awful post
Easton Roberts
Copied that text for later use. Thx.
Chase Morgan
>bull worshipping
cuck religion confirmed
Joseph Lopez
>triggered muslim
Matthew Evans
This is Veeky Forums, yet you massive autists post this cancer and the Finnish-Korean trash.
Angel Fisher
The Dome of the Rock (Arabic: قبة الصخرة Qubbat al-Sakhrah, Hebrew: כיפת הסלע Kippat ha-Sela) is a shrine located on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. It was initially completed in 691 CE at the order of Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik during the Second Fitna. The Dome of the Rock is now one of the oldest works of Islamic architecture.[2] It has been called "Jerusalem's most recognizable landmark,"[3] and it is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, along with two nearby Temple Mount structures, the Western Wall, and the "Resurrection Rotunda" in the nearby Church of the Holy Sepulchre.[4] Its architecture and mosaics were patterned after nearby Byzantine churches and palaces.[5] The octagonal plan of the structure may also have been influenced by the Byzantine Church of the Seat of Mary (also known as Kathisma in Greek and al-Qadismu in Arabic) built between 451 and 458 on the road between Jerusalem and Bethlehem.[6]
Jaxon Brown
t. Yehuda D. Nevo
Owen Moore
Are you a Muslim?
Logan Sanchez
No. Are you a christian idiot?
Mason Young
I mean Veeky Forums is a christian site...
Asher Butler
No it isn't. Fuck off. Christians are a cancer on Veeky Forums.
Ethan Clark
How about you fuck off back to
Nathaniel Torres
>christcancers have infiltrated fucking Veeky Forums
Never thought this day would come. Even worse, you fuckers actually manage to DECREASE the quality.
They should just ban all eastern european IPs. Are you by any chance from eastern europe?
Jackson Bell
Being so fucking unironically religious jesus.
Cameron Kelly
>Are you by any chance from eastern europe? I'm an American you kike. Go home, reddit, what are you gonna cry because the majority of this site is Christian?
Levi Cook
source for Quran being written in the 9th century? I thought that it was compliled and edited relatively soon after Muhammad's death
Thomas Martinez
Thats the worst argument ive ever heard.
Samuel Perry
There isn't a source, earlier quran is from around muhammads time.
Colton Clark
friendly reminder that all atheists are secretly muslims in disguise.
Jonathan Torres
>American No wonder you're so dumb
Zachary Sullivan
Who did 9/11? Who did the shootings in San Bernardino? Who's killing the Christians in Syria? Who's trying to invade Europe? Who's trying to start shit?
Matthew Rivera
the one you are talking about only has had the parchment carbon dated. that doesn't prove that it was written around Muhammad's lifetime. it was common during this time to reuse old parchment because of how expensive it was. OP's claim seems doubtful but I'm interested in if he can back up his argument
Gavin Bennett
I'm an atheist myself but christianity is infinitely better than believing that all people and cultures are equal and whatever bullshit cucks believe in today
John Lopez
Muslims
I don't know why you're posting this you fat fuck, I'm not a Muslim as I said before, I'm against the shitposting Christcucks on Veeky Forums
Oliver Anderson
>I'm not a Muslim as I said before You act like a Muslim. >I'm against the shitposting Christcucks on Veeky Forums And I'm against cuckolds who can't read, this is a HUMANITIES board, which includes religions.
You believe in a socialist kike who turns the other cheek. You are reddit here.
Benjamin Roberts
OP has baited you all and it's beautiful.
Jayden Evans
>some stupid redditor is triggered by the idea of charity >getting this upset that Europe for the past 1000 years has done more under it >he's probably a westernized protestant country faggot that has no respect for tradition like his forefathers before him
Jonathan Howard
Post it on /pol/ for maxium (you)s OP
Angel Fisher
How do you explain the Sunni Shiite divide?
Isaiah Butler
That is the most pathetic attempt at a shitpost and a bait thread so here a (You)
But let me indulge anyway Explain how Christianity or Judaism is somehow more legitimate. I could literally take your entire post and edit some parts to describe how Christians or Jews don't know their shit and explain why Jesus/Moses never existed but that's stupid and your argument is shit. Don't ask me if I'm a muslim because I am not, I'm tired of /rel/fags with their shitflinging.
t. Obvious butthurt muslim to OP
Caleb Ward
>under it
The Enlightenment was the best thing to happen to Europe, ever. I hope it someday happens to the US.
Nolan Sullivan
>implying all abrahamic religions aren't the same shit at the core
Jayden Jackson
>The Enlightenment was the best thing to happen to Europe, ever. Proof? All it did was create this flood of disgusting culture.
Wyatt King
Why do muslims always throw a shitfit whenever someone talks shit about their cult? Bunch of insecure fags kek
Andrew Adams
hurr they all worship da same god so they MUST share the same morals and traditions!
Aiden Bailey
but scholars do think Moses never existed
Zachary Jones
Not the guy you're replying to but why do christians always throw a shitfit whenever someone talks shit about their cult? Bunch of insecure fags kek
Andrew Davis
>Proof
pic related
Dominic Hill
Precisely
Caleb Martin
That pic is utter horseshit and you know it.
Camden Clark
It's a dirty little secret that Muslims may or may not be aware of, and it's that the Talmudic academies in Babylonia were the main producers of the Qur'an.
Wyatt Lewis
>your proofs prove nothing
back to church, cuck
Hudson Thomas
>said the cuck that jerks off to the fall of civilization
Lincoln Roberts
>Veeky Forums is a christian site...
Logan Johnson
cuck cuck
reddit reddit
allah allah
jesus jesus
Isaiah Martinez
[citation needed]
Gabriel Bennett
>christians don't need citation for their bible >need citation when their beliefs are challenged
lmao
Justin Foster
Not the same, but if you so-called christians actually acted like the entire bible is the word of god, you would be a lot closer to the muslims than you care to admit.
Aaron Reed
Muhammad did exist and he was a gluttonous wealthy slave owner, an adulterer, a child-molesting pedophile, a murderer, a liar, he encouraged theft, rape, torture and the list goes on. He was the pawn of Satan and is now in Hell.
>Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. Matthew 7:15-20
Zachary Butler
>le dark ages meme Still waiting for sources supporting this graph
Michael Jackson
By that logic the Greeks were cucks You forget that the point of animism is to acquire the attributes of the worshiped animal
Grayson Thompson
still need citations for what is told in the bible
Logan Hughes
>those who lived by the sword die by the sword >muhammad lived by the sword and died piecefully in bed
lmao! christcucks btfo again
Gabriel Carter
Can we stop with the shit flinging, does anyone actually want to discuss the origins of Islam ?
Jordan Kelly
Except he's in hell for all eternity now...
Jesus Christ: >"Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34
(He said this while dying on the cross at Calvary after being betrayed and sentenced to die for no legitimate reason.)
Muhammad: >"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427
(He had been poisoned years earlier by a Jewish woman whose husband was killed by the Muslims and the poison had slowly worked its effect. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha.)
William Nelson
the main difference between radical christianity and islam is that the westboro bapist church has never blown or threatened to blow anyone up.
Christopher Ross
>"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets."
So Jesus is in hell? AYYYYYYYYYYYY
CHRISTKEKS ON LIFEEEE SUPPORT
Nicholas Cox
Muhammad was visited by a false angel of light, it was a demon, a fallen angel of deception. Satan and his workers are great mimickers and Muhammad, deceived, established a demonic cult of Allah (false-God) called Islam (meaning voluntary submission to this false-God, i.e. Satan) which he spread like wildfire by the sword convinced that it was the last revelation of God Almighty.
Islam is none other than Satan's magnum opus, which now has 1.6 billion adherents (23% of the world population) and which will probably be followed by half of the world population by 2050.
>For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
Carson Roberts
Muhammad was Satan's pawn, merely a man, he was easily deceived. Jesus is the Christ prophesied in scripture, born of God, undeceivable.
Wow! So Jesus is not a nice guy! He's a bit of a cunt innit? I thought he was forgiving!?!
Christopher Robinson
that's pretty dangerous. but as long as they stay alone in their sand cave it's alright.
David Walker
To answer your question:
>There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. John 12:48-49
>Jesus said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him. John 14:6-7
>Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He made to us—eternal life. 1 John 2:22-25
Bentley Cooper
WOW O W
Jesus seems to be a violent ass fucker!
Elijah Rogers
Why does a bit of banter about religion trigger Veeky Forums so much? Especially if it's about Islam.
William Jenkins
>This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hater the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out by God. John 3:19-21
Easton Lee
>This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out by God. John 3:19-21
Also, if early Islam was a Jewish or Christian movement, Fred Donner made a far better argument for it. Al Zubayr likely only promoted Mecca and its Ka'aba as the center of Islam, but he didn't create Muhammad. Early Christian sources note his name much earlier.
Aaron Davis
The problem with this assertion is that paper was already big in the 9th century in the Middle East. There was literally no reason to reuse parchment over two centuries old.
Nathan Hughes
>this is a HUMANITIES board, which includes religions Usually this would mean discussing religion as a field of humanities, not as a church sermon.
Kayden Rogers
>And why the fuck is their book so obsessed with Jews? There weren't any Jews worth mentioning in the whole of Arabia in the 7th century. Arabia was absolutely full of Jews. People imagine pre Islamic Arabia was nothing but primitive Pagan Arabs. Muslims encourage this view as well. The reality is that it was full of Christians, Jews and Pagans, and many rich and powerful kingdoms with long histories, though by the time of Muhammad it was in decline, which is possibly a motive for Islam.
The Saudis prevent historians from going too far, hopefully when they fall we will get to know more about all the lost cities of the Arabian desert.
Angel Walker
Not him but we're here to stay.
Lucas Flores
...
Justin Morgan
Unfortunately yes, until our Jap overlord makes a containment board like moot did for Pokemon and generals on /v/.
Jeremiah Jackson
Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11
