Quis separabit?

NI has a GDP per capita of about half that of England and much lower than the overall UK average

Absolute money sink that would drag Ireland back down

And yet Jim Allister will still get more done in Stormont than PBPA since he's actually politically literate and isn't a tracksuit wearing, mouth-breathing retard like Gerry Carroll.

NI is a pretty good place. It just doesn't have an upper-class of any note so stastically it looks Eastern-European tier - but in reality everyone makes decent amounts of money and enjoys a typical western quality of life.

>Jim Allister is politically literate.
The fuck am I reading?

All the man does is bitch about the Troubles, but that's enough to impress unionist voters.

Jim Allister is a fairly capable politician behind his bigotry. It's just that literally everyone else in the TUV is completely retarded.

Why on earth does West Belfast exist?
>People before profit

>Absolute money sink that would drag Ireland back down
They did the maths, and apparently it would actually quite a good deal for both sides North and South. Eliminating trade barriers by equalising taxes and using a single currency would apparently generate a lot of economic activity that's been hindered by them both technically being different countries.

Maybe Ireland should join the uk then?

wouldn't mind taking your sassanach bennies desu

Nah, we'd never accept a monarch again.
We also don't want hordes of Pakis, Somalians and other undesirable non-Westernised immigrants clogging up our towns and turning Dublin and Cork into ghetto cities.

They don't go there already because they would rather live in Pakistan than some bog.

>Pakistan
You mean England.

boglands and forests are comfy, enjoy your cancer fumes and multiculturalism you townie shit

You sound ugly.

I'd rather learn Somali than Irish, at least someone speaks it.

And still be the bitch of the EU.

I'm a catholic btw

>Marxism > Conservativism

learn Chinese while you're at it you globalist imperialist pig-dog

If you leave the EU you're the bitch of the bourgeoisie, although you've made some of them very upset.
If you stay in the EU you're the bitch of the bourgeoisie.

Thus is the problem of the EU being a fundamentally capitalist creation.

Your daughter already speaks Arabic pretty well so Somali shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

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Communism is the only path to Ireland's freedom.

>knowing multiple useful languages is bad
You've been cucked by the Irish language meme.
Salaam and goodbye.

Better that than a Dublin accent.

Yes I'm sure speaking Arabic is very useful when she's negotiating with her groomers.

>implying anyone's daughter isn't kept in purdah
Fucking Western degenerates. What's it like knowing your daughter and wife are out at the caravan club being fucked by gypsies?

>Communism is the only path for national freedom

Reds really are THIS retarded.

What happens if ISIS try and finger the North, will we get a unification of Loyalists and Republicans? That'd be fun.

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Feels like shite t.b.h but I imagine it's a bit better than my sons "serving tea" in Asia.

both sides would blame each other and every paramilitary group in the world will claim responsibility

Yes it is.

Unless your country is a seat of capitalist power it is barely independent. And even if it is your proletarian countrymen are not independent at all.

Connolly is honestly such a babe, I'd die for him.

Lad you keep talking about independence but do you understand where the "com" in communism comes from? There is no place for nation states in a "global proletarian community."

Connolly was wrong though, as soon as Fianna Fáil came to power they set about getting rid of the last landlords and began a trade war with Britain

You're right.

But every Irishman alive would be independent and free to freely associate based around their own culture. Unless you're talking about the socialism stage, in which case yes there is a place for nation-states.

He was not one bit wrong.

This country is absolutely dominated by foreign capitalists. Everyone and their dog works for foreign organizations, pays back into foreign organizations and even the fucking government is run by a foreign organization. Ireland being "independent" is the biggest meme of the century.

every man woman and child in the country can't work for Dairygold Butter pal, you're delusional

The concept of an "Irishman" would not even exist in the world you're advocating for; individual identity would be crushed under the dictates of the "community."

No, they should be working for themselves because the proletariat ought to control the means of production.

Okay, how do you figure that?

Do you also want to get rid of the EU?

It's another thorn in Ireland's independence.

You say the Proletariat ought to control this and that but did you ever stop and think maybe they don't want to? YOU want them to control production, they may not and do not either.

"Irishman" is an identity connected with the nation of Ireland. In a communist world nations would not exist and we've seen time and again how communist regimes do everything in their power to destroy the traditional culture of their host populations and replace it with uniform, standardized, commie culture. If you don't believe me just ask a Russian patriarch or a Tibetan monk.

Are you for open borders, multiculturalism etc.?

Yes I want to get rid of the EU.

>You say the Proletariat ought to control this and that but did you ever stop and think maybe they don't want to? YOU want them to control production, they may not and do not either.
At present they don't want to, if they did they would all be communists. This is the point of raising class-consciousness.

Open borders no, Ireland already has massive amounts of unemployment so there's no point bringing in more people than we can support.

I'm quite indifferent about multiculturalism though.

How do you as a believer in this idea spread the ideas of class-consciousness?

Everyone already knows they work to make others money but the fact they make their own money too, and do with it what they want to works fine for them.

We're all very aware there are wealthy folk, barely anyone gives a fuck however.

m8, the Orthodox church and Buddhism in China are still alive and well. Even though religion is ultimately a bad thing.

But otherwise they don't. Cubans are still quite nationalistic even if in a uniquely communist way.

he was about the English though, FDI comes from a variety of countries
so that whole quote is breddy much bollocks

I don't really beyond bringing up communism whenever it's warrented.

>We're all very aware there are wealthy folk, barely anyone gives a fuck however.
Of course everyone is aware there's wealthy folk, but the matter of class-consciousness is not just realizing the structure of society - but also the true nature of your rank in it and the interests of your class.

The Orthodox Church was not alive and well when it was still called the USSR and the point is that you're daft if you think a revolutionary ideology is going to preserve traditional culture. The Cubans can only afford to be nationalist precisely because communism has failed, if the "global revolution" ever actually occurred all vestiges of national identity would be erased within a few generations.

tbqh I don't blame JC for not anticipating that the British empire would collapse and countries like America and China would come to dominate the capitalist system.

Given the state of the world in his time it must have seemed like Britain would rule forever.

do you like James Larkin as well?

It was, the KGB just spied on them and younger people didn't bother going to church.

> "global revolution" ever actually occurred all vestiges of national identity would be erased within a few generations.
How in god's name would that happen exactly?

If the government truly believes that nationality doesn't matter why would they bother trying to stamp it out? Giving it that kind of attenton is just acknowledging it to be relevant.

Yes.

You seem to care about people's lives a lot more than they do, but not in a pious way, more of a 'I want these people to believe in what I do to bring about the world I want.'; Which is fine; natural even but speaking of people's 'ranks' and the interests of their classes, as if they even feel a modicum of belonging to one or the other is a bit hopeful.

The ever-growing Capitalist grip on the world id only growing stronger and so long as people are fine with buying their iphones and fucking Yeezy's, it will remain indefinitely because in regards to these ranks and places people supposedly have, there has never been a more precipitous decline of kinship in history than today, whether through family - which is fucked - or through religious or communal belonging - which are also fucked.

The world is too individualistic now, paradoxically so given that we're all connected via internet. These ideas that we can come together and control it all as one seem far beyond reach, ever more so.

At it's core I appreciate the sentiment that people would help one another but the differences that divide a people stretch far beyond that of 'class' and that is something a lot of socialists seem to forget and it reeks of the naivete of a comfy westerner's pipe-dream.

>It was, the KGB just spied on them and younger people didn't bother going to church.

Shame on you for whitewashing history but what else should I expect from a Red?

>More than 85,000 Orthodox priests were shot in 1937 alone.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928–41)

>If the government truly believes that nationality doesn't matter why would they bother trying to stamp it out?

Because national allegiance competes with party allegiance and competition is a big no-no for commies. If people are placing their loyalty to their national identity over the party line then the obvious solution is to destroy the national identity.

> naivete of a comfy westerner's pipe-dream.
I would hazard that there are more communists in the third world than here.

Given the activity of left-wing militants and the democratic success of socialists in underdeveloped countries it's entirely possible that Mao's vision of the world revolution could come true.

>Shame on you for whitewashing history but what else should I expect from a Red?
>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928–41)
>1928-1941
In other words they stopped.

>Because national allegiance competes with party allegiance and competition is a big no-no for commies. If people are placing their loyalty to their national identity over the party line then the obvious solution is to destroy the national identity.
Okay, how does national identity conflict with the communist party line?

The gap between upper and lower class in the First world does not mirror that of the third world.

A rich person here can eat at the best restaurant and owns a 700 quid smart phone whereas an underclass person can own an 80 quid smartphone and eat from a takeaway or from tesco and if needs be, the State - yes the boogeyman - provides me with benefits like housing or job seekers.

Maybe I'm just fine with where I am but those who want the rich - in the first world - brought down to my level just strike me as jealous.

They should turn their attention - if they really care - to the real poor in the world who would KILL for that cheap phone or cheap take-out meal. Robert Mugabe eats cake at a million dollar b-day while his country starves...but lets complain that some people here in the first world get Gimlets and Foie Gras while we get a Fish supper.

They stopped because it was no longer necessary after the church has been neutered from having any serious political influence.

And here's a hypothetical for you, imagine Commissar O'Reily decides that the national pastime of having a pint 'o black stuff in between jigs with a merry lass is having a negative effect on productivity and uses his influential position within the party to make these things illegal. Obviously this decision probably won't go over so well with the lads down at the pub so of course the party is going to couple the commissar's decision with an extensive propaganda campaign devoted to exposing the nefarious influence of frivolous drinking and dancing on creating a true worker's paradise. History has taught us that anything that pisses off the party leadership becomes as target and because party leadership is composed of human beings with their own personal agendas anything can wind up on the cultural chopping block in the name of the glorious revolution.

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Checks out

The reason the rich in the first world are so rich is because they're the bourgeoisie of every nation. They're vampires on the entire planet. Thus is the utmost importance in taking them down, they get rich off the backs of labourers in the third world hence the importance for the US army and their imperialist cohorts to destroy any legitimate kind of socialism if it every comes to threaten their profits.

Communism being internationalist fully recognizes the need for class emancipation in the third world. But it's equally true that there's a need for communism in the big capitalist seats of power since a blow to capitalism there is a blow to capitalists worldwide.

Gorbachev already did that.

It was a serious blow to the economy and generally people hated it. Even the tankiest of tankie utopias would be wise to learn that banning beloved alcohol is a stupid idea.

To that I say 'Tough.' And not in a Nefarious way, I am not trying to hate for no reason but I can't get angry at a few minds or groups being smart/powerful enough to control so much.

It's the game and a the core of people is want and a desire for power; You desire power FOR the people, while the capitalists desire power OVER the people.

Either one of you are free to do what you will to gain that power, I have no idea where I stand politically, never have given it a name but I can't argue that the winning side won or is winning.

You are where you are because you are being trampled by another system, and their boots are dirty because they've stamped you there but they can just as easily get a new pair since they have the power.

I'll side with what I feel is right when/if the time comes as I do with most things. I can't say I feel the same feelings as you in that we're all begotten son's and daughters although I don't revel in the suffering of any honest people who desire a nice life but at the same time, I cannot really complain that someone was better at achieving something than others, that's just be bitching and while we're all prone to it, I try my best not to do it.

Any one would have taken from the lesser if it suited their needs and history is full of it, not just the US either as the hard Liberals would have you believe, but almost all nations and empires have had their finger in a pie they didn't bake and liked the taste and so they took it.

There's an id and human nature at play here and it will remain.