Great Men

t. rabbi schlomo shekelberg

subliminal french flag hmmm....

>Zoroaster
Pretty much invented the good/evil worldview, the final victory of good, which all Abrahamic religion is pretty much based on

>Thales
The first philosopher, together with Zoroaster pretty much created the Western world as we know it

>Alhazen
The first developer of the scientific method. Revolutionized the entire planet, our place in it and how we look at it

Marx did not influence shit. He analyzed but did not shape the world in any form or way. He tried through the idea of communism but that ended in one gigantic failure and did not change the course of anything

Caesar was a product of the change his predecessors and the reforms of Marius and did not instigate any major changes in society himself. Augustus was more significant.

>Marx because Soviet Union

Marx is the among the 3 most influential people in history because he influenced a country that didn't even last a century? As opposed to Ceasar whose name literally came to mean "emperor" in many languages?

Communism definitely shaped the modern world.

Yes, it was a stupid failure, but it was a failure that resulted in the rise of a world superpower, completely changed China's trajectory, caused wars on nearly every continent, and created a nuclear arms race and space race.

The question was 'who shaped the modern world'. The modern world is very much still affected by the ripples created by the cold war.

I think crediting Marx for the space race and nuclear race is a bit of stretch, you know. I could just as well claim that Aristotle butterfly effect'd Hiroshima bombing.

in the religious sphere it's
>christ
>buddha
>mhmdpbuh

in the military sphere it's
>alexander
>caesar
>khaaaaaan

in the philosophical sphere it's
>confucius
>plato
>nietzsche

>Nietzsche

No, and don't give me that indirectly influenced National Socialism, because so many irrelevant 19th century racial and social scientists did as much if not more than Nietzsche. Nietzsche is by and large irrelevant, Freud is way more relevant to society at large or even philosophy

Greatness is a spook.

Replace Khan with Napoleon and Nietzsche with Descartes and that post will be significantly less retarded.

>Descartes
Had a much larger impact on mathematics than he ever did on philosophy.

He literally founded modern philosophy. The entire modern way of thinking and the scientific method in particular is cartesian.

Hitler
Marx
Jesus

Alexander is literally the most important and influential of the three.

this.
romaboos on Veeky Forums always try to downplay the absolutely massive impact of hellenism. fucking hell, people in afghanistan STILL wear ancient macedonian brimmed hats 2400 years later.

Although Julius was the only reason Augustus came about and the entire reason why the Republic turned into an empire, psssh. Caesar taught us quite a bit about the transitions of power. He was also an outand ing military leader as well.

Indeed. Hellenization helped spread Christianity outside of the holy land (thanks also to Paul the hellenized super-Jew).

I'm posting most important five because fuck it:

1. Jesus of Nazareth
2. Alexander the Great
3. Muhammad
4. Adolf Hitler
5. Julius Caesar

Honorable Mentions: Napoleon, Karl Marx, Buddha

Agree? Disagree?

What do you guys think about George Washington being on one of these lists? He was one of the most important Founding Fathers and currently the USA is the most important country in the world as far as military, culture and economics.

If we are to include perhaps non historically but still significant figures I would think that Krishna is highly up there

Furthermore Akhenaten practically established the proto-Abrahamic monotheistic belief system and thus I don't think he should be discounted

Thung - The first tamer of Fire
Mesh - The first herder of Plant food
And Harran - the first maker of the word symbols

Go to bed Stirner.

Max Stirner
The Unique
His Own

Buddha and arguably Napoleon deserve to be on the list more than Hitler, come on now.

>Marx didn't influence shit
>what is the Soviet union
This has to be bait

Capitalism still reigns supreme. Yes communism had some short time impact on a lot of individual countries and might have slowed the spread of capitalism there, but it didn't stop it or change the greater world system. That's what I meant with he analyzed but couldn't change things. Russia was a superpower before and it is one now.

Then again, you could say he did change things by speeding up the spread of capitalism by making knowledge about it widely available.

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Caveman andrew
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>the only reason
No he wasn't. The reason individual leaders became more powerful were the reforms of Marius who changed the law so Roman soldiers were paid by their military commander, not the state of Rome, thus becoming loyal him. Caesar could exploit this in the same way Sulla did before him. But as an individual he didn't had any impact because the transformation of Rome from a democracy into a dictatorship was already under its way, regardless of who took control. That's why his death was so meaningless and didn't result in a restoration of the republic but he was simply replaced by another dictator in the long run. A Roman emperor would've happened eventually.

When you compare what Caesar did and what Alexander did you might get what I mean. Caesar went with the the ongoing change within the collective, while Alexander, with his journey into the far east, went against the collective and that's why his empire fell apart after his death, while Caesar's spread even further.

>Rome
>a democracy
>ever

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But I would have to say that Sulla did indeed have a bigger impact than Caesar did, just because Sulla did it first and he did it bigger.

Caesar created the calendar used till this day, and left books behind that tell us a lot about his world.
Napoleone brought a lot of modern ideas to the rest of Europe with his conquests and created the base for modern continental legal system.
Alexander just fucked some persian shit up.

Constantine (the trip)
Mohammed
Newton

I'll have to go with Augustus (I am appreciative of the Divine Julius too)
Martin Luther (Here I stand, motherfuckers)
And Edward Jenner (bye bye smallpox, polio, measels, mumps, rubella, pertussis, etc.)

>last 150 years defined by spread of communism and industrialization
>didn't influence shit

>scientists and shit
Not really. While science is certainly important, it doesn't depend on any single individuals, and any breakthroughs they made would have happened eventually anyway, usually with only minimal delay.

>prophets and philosophers
Not really. What makes the difference between a successful cult and one that fails isn't the cult leader, but the spiritual state of the society he lives in. Take Jesus for example, the most important of them all. While he said some extremely important and revolutionary things, those aren't understood by almost anyone even today, and his real effect was founding Christianity. But if it hadn't been for him another one of the many similar religions that were born at this time would just have taken its place, be it Manicheism, the cult of Isis, the cult of Cybele, Sol Invictus... with only superficial differences.

The only men who truly change the world, who give it a new direction, are men of action like those posted by OP. Alexander who wiped away the vestiges of Egypt and Mesopotamia and turned the entire Middle East into a single cultural space, paving the way for a new civilisation to emerge there. Caesar who built the Roman Empire. Napoleon who spread the French Revolution across Europe and founded the modern world.

>a political structure that didnt even last half a decade somehow defines the current state of human society
>marx started industrialism
ok

Aristotle covers alexander and a bunch more.
Caesar, perhaps.
Genghis is tempting, but I don't think he was really vital to set in motion what happened, he wasn't a great man.
For my third I'm gonna go with the most influential tribal lord in very early human history as the butterfly effect probably made him more important than anyone else.

>decade
*century