Slowdown of fashion discussion

Instagram basically killed all the forums. People would rather grow their epeen then talk about the merits of their clothing.

>Things like palewave and normcore are nothing. They're just regular clothes.

This. Once you understand the aesthetic there is no need for discussion about item X or Y. Neither of the aesthetics are about having the best brands or status, just about a "message". No one needs forums for it anymore.

lol u dont even get what summer means, now thats what i call summer

so youre saying we 'used' to need em?

we never really needed them right, so thats not the reason

I like talking and building up relationships with other posters online. Making a board culture. instagram is not good for that. wish there was an alternative

I was really into all that designer shit a few years ago but was still in school and didn't have the money.

Now i am rolling in the shekels but don't really care about expensive clothing. I honestly just want comfy clothing that looks nice and is a little more exclusive or unique that most people don't have.

I mean if you're all on the, say, SLP-hypetrain you could always have endless discussions about does X fit, does Y fits me better, should one get thinner, should one get bigger, should one change their haircut, should one shorten their pants etc.
Same with f example hipster style that was the latest hype not long ago and people getting off to the 20s and 50s.
Normcore is basically look so normal that you look special. Pick whatever fits your body, or go even harder and pick stuff that intentionally don't fit you. Bonus points if it looks 90s and has some extraordinarily unextraordinary logo stamped on it. Not much to talk about.
"Older" styles were simply not as straight-forward, I guess.

Agreed, but it's obv going to be mocked and compared to MFA. Fuck this boards culture.

I used to browse Veeky Forums religiously like two years ago and stopped and im so glad I did. I can tell you all now that the reason its been dying for the last 3 years is because like 45% of the community are so basic that they wouldnt stand out at a primark sale and the other 45% are these fucking autists who think that theres some kindof formula for dressing well. The decent 10% of posters who know how to look alright and wear their clothes instead of making the clothes look like theyre wearing them get completely buried under all the posts of the armies or tryhard retards that have infested this place. My fondness for Veeky Forums faded with my insecurity and i think that that makes quite a statement for the majority of the Veeky Forums community.

>the reason
Another one is that the majority of the posters are teenagers/adolescents with little knowledge. They won't be able to write a paragraph to answer the question what fashion is. I think that the lack of responsibility, that is caused by anonymity, has a influence on their posting, their behavior too. Perhaps it enhances delinquent behavior. They surely behave themselves differently behind a computer. They wouldn't be that way when they are in public.

There have been many threads about what the problems are that cause the current situation of Veeky Forums. Yes, changing the sticky or direct communication with the moderation would help, but the problem lies within the posters and I don't know the solution for that.

You could leave, but is that the right answer?

Good points

I think another problem is the line between discussion on fashion and the pure pursuit of self gratification has been thrown way too far off. Everytime i come back here to have a look theres more and more kids dressed like shit trying to boost their confidence. This place used to be cut throat and it set it apart from places like mfa but the users for the most part have grown soft and give compliments to the ugliest most basic fits. Those with decent taste stood idly by while those with shit taste coming here to get their asses kissed shat all over the board.

i've browsed Veeky Forums for like 6 or 7 years on and off. it was never really any better than it is now.

anyone remember the stupid tinfoil rick image dumps that were somehow supposed to be "fashion discussion" that shit was fucked.

id on grey shirt on the right?

this. waywt are always fucking abysmal now yet people still get compliments when they looks worse than the average caretags poster.

stop following stupid Veeky Forums internet memes and start following designer fashion
theres more to it that just rick owens raf simons

if your knowledge on fashion ends at acronym/rick/techwear you're probably part of the problem

and if you dont dress like you covered yourself in glue and ran blindfolded through Value Village the only replies you get are "hahahHa reddit meme bait hahaha meme"

this is just normal attrition. why aren't the users being replenished at the same rate? clearly they were at some point.

but why then hasn't what we discuss changed? why isn't there a new rick owens?

i submit my thesis: the forum has become effectively commercialized. discussion increasingly takes place these days on pinterest, instagram, tumblr. sites that promote illiteracy and speech control (for marketing purposes mostly).

i think he was making a joke senpai

i think it's possible to have a friendlier forum culture than Veeky Forums without the level of sugarcoating, newfaggotry, and circlejerking that goes on on mfa. actually i think pretty much every phpbb or vbulletin fits this description. (the newfaggotry is a pretty big problem here actually, a lot of people don't know the basics of the basics and it's impossible to effectively filter their stupidity so the good stuff gets buried.)

>it's disgusting what fast fashion has done to the industry
Stop misplacing the blame.

The problem was blurring the distinction between streetwear and high fashion. You can blame tricky rick, raf, undercover, post-2006 MMM/helmut lang, CDG Play, Y-3 etc. Diffusion lines, re-releasing the same commercially popular pieces and collabs with street brands - and all the uninitiated psuedo-fashionistas who buy into them without any understanding or interest in the art behind it.

High fashion died when fuckboys clawed their way onto the stage.

> i submit my thesis: the forum has become effectively commercialized
Agreed, but I'd say "gentrified" is more accurate

lol you're an idiot

blurring the line was a way to make designer clothing more accessible
there's a reason why these 14 year old asap rocky fans can look at photos of raf collections, because they're styled in a way that is easy to wear/recognizable

yes, this high end streetwear has brought a lot of "attention" to fashion, but the fact that valentino can show in october for the dresses to be on the floor the following year, only for forever 21 to knock off the print and put it on cheaply made dresses that will be in store by november has completely fucked up the fashion cycle

diffusion lines have always been a part of the industry, because companies need to make money
it's also necessary when having a business because of the simple concept of having the correct price point for your market
there's a reason why the plain tees alexander wang sells is labeled T by Alexander Wang rather than having the regular Alexander Wang, the clients from the mainline do not want to be associated with those that can only afford the basic clothing

>High fashion died when fuckboys clawed their way onto the stage.

i know there's a huge pretentious culture behind high fashion, one that i absolutely love, but jesus christ you sound as much of a bitch as ian connor does when he rants about raf

lol that doesnt make sense. you just wanted to use the word gentrification or what?

No, I think it's a accurate description of web 2.0 in general. Subsumption of productive communities, i.e. having them be resold to second wave yuppies for a psuedo-creative commercialized 'prosumption', is an essential element of gentrification and essentially the conversion from the organic 'underground' freedom of mailing lists, BBS/imageboard forums, personal sites etc. to the commercial, sanitized psuedo-communities of web 2.0 forums: reddit, tumblr, twitter, facebook, etc.

I used to go to Bapetalk then Bapetalk2 about 6 or so years ago and last I checked those forums were straight up dead.

The whole thing is part of the "bowling alone" future of society I think

>yes, this high end streetwear has brought a lot of "attention" to fashion, but the fact that valentino can show in october for the dresses to be on the floor the following year, only for forever 21 to knock off the print and put it on cheaply made dresses that will be in store by november has completely fucked up the fashion cycle

this has been happening for so long that I can't really see how it's relevant to the main conversation in this thread. sounds like you're just ranting.

>The whole thing is part of the "bowling alone" future of society I think
What do you mean?

thanks for clarifying; makes more sense now

It's from a book titled "Bowling Alone: America's Decline in Social Capital"

Basically it was talking about how people don't really do things in groups anymore that require active participation. Many things like church groups, Boy Scouts, Masonic Lodges, and bowling clubs (book title) have had a sharp decline in membership and people are t interacting together very much anymore. This is from 2000 when the Internet was still pretty new, so now things are a lot worse

You're batshit insane if you believe that conspiracy is happening under Hiroyuki Admin atm. Veeky Forums is getting more popular thats all, but it has not been a secret club for a decade now. This shit always happened I have lurked Veeky Forums since late 2009, saw how Knoch (Rudi), Tripsk (Alexia), Veeky Forumsscist faggot (Marcus), and a bunch of others got bored of Veeky Forums & left. It just happens.

Personally I like Veeky Forums and the styles it has going on atm, this day has been terrible through too much troll threads. Just ignore what you don't like and report anything that breaks the rules, it works super slowly but the bans happen.

Also that copy-pasta in your image of that little girl is cute, hilarious and cringy at the same time but she is just a Gaia Online pre-teen. Can't blame her just look at her art. I wish I still got hyped like she does.

>the bans happen

you sound like you don't know how computers and the internet work

it takes two words of code in a command line to get around a "ban"

you're talking about completely new communities being created and older ones being abandoned. this is the opposite of gentrification to me. something like "white flight" would be a better analogy if we are keeping with real estate... but honestly the idea of real estate doesn't really apply to the internet.

>reddit, tumblr, twitter, facebook, etc.

a few things about these. your post almost makes these seem like corporate inventions or something. these all started off super small and grew organically because each one offers something that wasn't offered previously through stuff you mentioned like forums, personal sites, etc... and as far as I know reddit is really struggling to make any money. you act like its some well oiled commercialized machine when they rely heavily on members buying each other "gold" to stay afloat.

Obviously man but mods check reports very slowly. cant blame them the team is small and they don't get paid.

what i'm saying is that it wouldn't matter if they checked reports at the speed of light when a ban is so easily defeatable.

if your favorite thing to do was shitpost on the fashion forum of an american channel ripoff website, would you stop because you got banned? or would you just reconfigure your IP in all of 2 seconds and go back to doing what you love?

where's the solvency? nothing is actually solved.

Where do you go if you actually want to learn? I have a genuine interest but I'm starting to feel like this is just something where you have an eye or you dont. I think I've been semi interested in this kind of clothing for 1-2 years and have learned next to nothing. Where do you go if you actually want to educate yourself beyond what is trending.

I'll be honest that I'm not really THAT interested, there are many things in my life far more important than fashion but I would still like to be able to dress well. I feel like I've unfortunately crossed a line where I don't want to dress in basic clothing but I lack the knowledge to actually dress myself well because Veeky Forums is absolutely abysmal for education and all other websites I know of cater to styles I am not fond of.

mods on other boards act fast though. a good example is Veeky Forums. they'll delete entire threads that are off topic and delete porn within minutes.
mods do get paid, its just the janitors that dont.
janitors cant ban or delete anything. they just go over the reports and submit the worthy ones to the mods.

are you me? this is my exact situation and it sucks.

You're the one who thinks here Imma reply to you. True, but are you sure they get paid? Janitors can delete any post just like you can your own posts, I'm pretty sure about that.

Veeky Forums is low priority for the mods to care as much as the other boards. Reporting & Ignoring is the best tools we have in Veeky Forums.

Is Veeky Forums the best board to post cp? brb, I'm telling /b/. maybe if we bring illegal shit here the mods will care

Marcus got a real job and used to come back time to time knoch found his popularity off-putting because he couldn't get any criticism also alekzia still browses drop name

I think anything that gets reported gets attention pretty quickly, no? maybe the issue with moderation or lack thereof has more to do with community members not reporting stuff?

Internet fashion forums died with Instagram and then because people like birthday went to the forums designed to be a refuge for the people who still wanted to talk about clothes and effectively ruined them because birthday and users like birthday have only the most rudimentary knowledge about fashion and can't add any insight into a discussion

No, sometimes people post porn in this board. I'm sure people report it, I try to report it at least but sometimes even scat porn stays for days.

Thats true Alexia still lurks I have seen her in some WAYWTs but I always thought it was a troll reposting from her tumblr. And lol not going to do that.

lol no it takes a while.

so what do u propose? pass patent reform, keep dreaming we live in a democracy will never happen more likely to loosen the laws if anything get informed talking to a japanese neckbeard forum is useless

the delayed fashion cycle is the problem, learn how to 2016

what's her tumblr? i want to see her rick fits

alekzia.tumblr.com/

i didn't want to be the one who posted but i'm glad someone else did.
i totally agree. if people want instant gratification why wont designers give it to them? that's why fast fashion is great. it's instant and affordable. although it's taken a giant shit on resources and greatly contributes to pollution. they buy now mentality is stronger.
i don't think designers have to sacrifice their art . it all boils down to exclusivity and the associations made with your brand/name. but does that really even matter anymore with the hugeass bloggers wearing designer culture and rich chinks decked out in designer stuff? designer stuff doesn't even phase me anymore desu.

>2016
>tripsk still dresses like shit
some things never change

I like it.

killy, i like you and the shit you post but this kind of thing makes me have some doubts.

What´s that dark jedi fashion?

it's 2009 Veeky Forums

i don't know what happened but i hate it, i just want to discuss fashion with people on the internet because i have no friends. here where there's no barrier to entry it makes it increasingly difficult to do that. any attempts at meaningful conversation about fashion are interrupted by "newfags" who don't know what they're talking about.

idk man. it makes me upset to think about, i wish there were a place where things were actually good :(

THE ONES KILLING FASHION ARE FAT CHINKS COVERED IN PIMPLES WITH DADDYS VISA WEARING SLP

I like to be positive in a board that is currently going through so much negativity. Especially if its the board I have browsed the most.

No, that kind of people have always existed and nobody cares. Niggers ruined fashion, they started buying designer pieces instead of their usual nigger shit, then hypebeast wiggers started copying them.

caring about the environment isn't /fa, who cares if we ruin the earth faster well b gone anyways

the asians do follow the nigs tho, i see them wearing most yeezys, off-white, nmd etc pure hype

Carign about the environment is Veeky Forums, people who think like you are boring. Obviously the care about the environment shouldn't rule your life but there's no point on causing unnecessary problems.

Asians buy those brands because they're expensive and they want to dress like poor people, they just like the brands, not the style. Wiggers follow the style.

translation: birthday actually looks good and all the ugly faggots with 3,000 posts and no fits gets dissuaded to post because for all their fashion "knowledge" they can't ever look good

>currently

w e w

How to make Veeky Forums great again

ctrl+c: /^Killy$/
ctrl+v into your filters

Its a small step, but one we can all take.

same, would love a reply to this

Agreed.

It's much safer and more monetizeable for the user's contribution to a platform to be a like or a retweet and not a long text post.

Instagram allows for a pic to spread extremely quickly, but discourages serious discussion. Perfect for an IG celeb or a brand to disseminate its message without too much risk of anyone expressing an opinion about it.

he looks decent in a crowd of absolute trash on waywt, he doesn't offer anything more than that.

Haha well I gotta admit the gothninja vs dadcore flamewars of 2012 were worse. Its more chill today, the problems come mostly from crossboarders baiting/taunting/looking to start flames it seems.

If that is going to make you happy do it user don't hesitate. I never take anything personal.

being jaded is so /fa r u crazy

/pol/ ruined effay

The milspec threads are aight

That has nothing to do with /pol/

The things they post are ban-able offenses. Its a global rule to keep /pol/ in /pol/. You should report them, mods want the kind anons that go political everywhere banned.

how? because someone said cuckcore in 1/1000 threads? stop projecting blame u ate ur own the second u realized the pleb who felt like they owned the board

They encourage military threads =(

Yeah, but military inspo can be non-political.

Remember the guy who made like twenty cumskin threads

When a thread about Asian fashion gets derailed into /pol/ topics such as why Asians are a devilish temptress for the white "Aryan" male and shit, how Asians or blacks are inferior because x or y. That's where its reportable.

If /pol/ didn't shitpost their opinions absolutely everywhere in Veeky Forums the global and the PSA would have never existed. So report it. Even threads racist towards whites or a sexuality are "keep /pol/ in /pol/". Any stupid /pol/ shit is against the rules.

drop name

maga hat threads. That's plain shitposting.

Don't listen to this faggot, I like you Killy.

Shitposting picures like that "here come dat boi!!!!!!" frog one are killing Veeky Forums too. They contribute nothing to discussions and derail threads.

Report report report
It helps, man
They do delete threads but only if they're reported

jesus i stand corrected that was crazy

they are derailing the already shitty b8 threads from crossposters m8

honestly i been in here since 2009 the racism has actually toned down a lot, i find to this day in those formative years, honestly it really made me look down on any minority trying to be /fa to this day

I appreciate the gesture but don't defend me. I know how to ignore perfectly as I said you caring worries me, don't waste time, the internet is not meant to be taken seriously.. thanks but please there is no need.

That's reportable too. I cant say it enough report what is reportable, ignore what you don't like and if you don't want to bump a thread enter "sage" in the options field (previously e-mail field).

Derailing but still bumping, people should just ignore shit threads. Oh, and I've seen that kind of shitposting in decent threads too.

I don't care about racism but it's not ok to shitpost.

i find that those threads with the derailing images tend to not provoke discussion at all and completely destroy shitposting threads, instead of having little insecure kiddys replying to them all upset and triggered, which is what usually happens when they dont have those images
in turn this generally tends to attract the op to create more shitposting threads to get reactions out of people because it worked last time
compare the Veeky Forums shitposting threads on Veeky Forums where they call everyone a dyel and twink and kept coming back because they got reactions, to something like

It's far more than 1/1000. Try to talk about any of the following without /pol/ shitposting:

>doc martens
>thick-rimmed or half-rimmed glasses (or any glasses that aren't wire frames, for that matter)
>common projects
>dyed hair
>any race-related fashion (e.g. Asian fashion, or black fashion)