Non Leather Shoes

When I moved out and had to make my own decisions I wanted to have more congruency between how I feel and how I act, it was more for the ethical and environmental reasons rather than health, although I'm leaner now.
I started off as a vegetarian until I found out the dairy industry is now worse than the meat industry. I'd sooner eat meat than dairy. Won't give you the gory details unless you really want though.

I also hate the arrogance of thinking everything in the planet is owed to you and way western people love to avoid responsibility via coolboy nihilism with 'the earth is fucked anyway who cares what we do to it'. obviously none of that is pointed at you user it's just some of the reasons why I switched.

True, it's a choice so maybe I should have written "I'd prefer not to" or "I won't"

Very valid suggestion, I appreciate the helpful friendliness and unlike some I'm not as concerned with the matter of death as I am with funding what happens to the animals/children for the sake of profit.

My two issues with that would be the hygiene of second hand shoes, especially if I've never met the person selling them (but maybe if the price is right). But I don't think I would feel right showing off a sick fit wearing leather when my friends are aware that I am a vegan - going back to my issue of congruency.
But it's something I'll think about.

Yeah that's why I suggested second hand since there is no profit to be made by the companies, but I do understand that it would be a difficult conversation to have with some friends, especially if their stance is very hard and aggressive, and that's not really a situation anybody likes to be in. Consignment and thrift stores are viable because you can atleast physically see if anything is gross about the shoes.

But if that's still not cool with you then that's alright, but I hope you find some kind of a solution. Stay chill

Native have 1 or 2 nice pairs. Good guys don't wear leather the same. You can get ethical converse alternatives, ethletic and etiko. Vegetarian shoes has some basics that are ok.

vegan8.me/vegan-athletic-shoes/vegan-athletic-shoes-2015/
i hope it helps you, i'm a vegetarian

if interested in creepers

story mfg makes a nice looking pair

they also have a clothing line

Why is dairy now worse than meat industry? I think vegans are doing the right thing personally as having animals as a food source is completely unsustainable but I think things will balance out after the next big war kills a bunch of people

Here is my collection. Its all vegan. Rick's vegan ramones are only vegan in the Gomma fabric, the canvas ones have leather insoles and zipgaurd. I have 3 pairs of Rombauts and a pair of Undercoverism scab sneakers as well as the black vegan ramones. When I went vegan I sold my OG dunks, my ro socks, my guidi boots, guidi derbies and my raf velcros. Bought a ton of other pieces with the $$$ so let me know if you need more Veeky Forums veg tips bro.

Forgot about my running shoes too, they are On Clouds, a sweedish company that does athletic shoes. These are vegan as well.

the glue they use to hold the shoe together isnt vegan

The answer is "stop being such a huge faggot and buy regular shoes like everyone else."

OP I want you to take a good look into this steak. Imagine the burst of flavors that will explode in your mouth as you take a bite off this. The beef flavor mixed with salt and whole black peppercorns and the charred texture giving it a little bit of hardness to its outer area to compliment its succulent inner area. All that paired with a fine wine and perhaps some broccoli with a hint of parmesan cheese to seal the deal. I'll be enjoying eating steaks like this as I know that morality is a spook.

If only yall knew the things we do with animal by-products, maybe this degenerate behaviour would stop.

Vegetarianism / veganism is the product of mental instability / a disorder. I wasn't sure what to have for dinner tonight but this thread will result in me having quite a few beef burgers with bacon and a nice pint of ice cream to top it off. Thanks OP.

nice collection and props for getting rid of your old shoes. where did you sell them? how do the rombauts feel?
would love to get in touch

thanks man, bookmarked.

thank you, i've been trawling these vegan specialist shoe places and none of them are particularly nice. i think bourgeois boheme was alright and i'm gonna wait to see beyond skin's men's collection.

in the industry i heard they call the insemination machine the 'rape stick' and the screams from other battery farms don't hold a candle to that of a mom cow that gets her kid snatched from her.
peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/cows/dairy-industry/

that steak is overcooked

YES! Check out Wills - London.

God you must be an unbearable faggot in real life, you wear hemp t shirts too? Also being a 100% vegan isnt actually possible

>overcooked
nigga ill over cook your ass

Nobody thinks being 100% vegan is possible, most people are vegan to reduce their impact on the environment but let's not make this a vegan discussion thread, you aren't going to convince someone to stop being vegan and a vegan isn't going to convince you to go vegan. Contribute to the thread or get out.

Thanks man. I sold my shoes on grailed. Rombauts are pretty nice but I wont lie they arent as sturdy as a pair of leather shoes, but thats okay because design wise they are pretty sweet. Post a throw away email and I can help you out, if youre interested.

oh fuck off you utter cunt

>a vegan isn't going to convince you to go vegan
??
pretty much everyone who is currently a vegan was at some point convinced by someone else...

That's true but I don't think you can be "converted" on Veeky Forums "discussions" and most vegans I know were convinced by studies and facts, not by someone else telling them to go vegan. And this is not the place for convincing people to go vegan, this is just a non leather shoes thread.

You don't have any not high end shoes?

this is just wrong man. You are INCREASING the demand for a leather look and for second hand shops to buy leather from people.

Just because you are down the chain doesnt mean you aren't a part of it.

Anyone still around here?

Man I have been dying for shoes and have made a couple threads myself. I'll be honest and say most of the brands here are either a bit too expensive for me or just not to my taste.

I have size 14 feet and dress very basic. I'm an unassuming dude and just want to look regular. The more and more I look into vegan clothing its just fucked. Most of it looks like shit or doesnt last. I don't want to end up in hemp jeans wearing keen sandals but every day I slip closer and closer to it. I havent bought a pair (outside some vegan Merrel hikers) in over a year.

What the fuck do I do?

PS, this is me I really do think that buying leather second hand is fucked. At specialty boutiques and such youre buying barely used boots for 60% of retail. At goodwill youre buying shoes that need a resole and/or are probably just broken. Both are cogs in the machine, just don't do it

speaking of KEEN bullshit... could a normal person pull these off without looking fucking awful? I'm thinking loose pants and an oversized top

Still here, I'm thinking of copping second hand leather shoes. Everything "ethically" made is way too expensive or ugly.

Not really, aha sorry dude. Ive been building my wardrobe for a long time now.
Size 14? Jesus thats rough. I mean I copped my rombauts all on sale for like 150ish so just keep an eye out. Check out The Brave Gentleman, I heard the quality was better than real leather. Source is from someone who has owned a pair for 5 years.
All of my leather shoes I owned were second hand when I sold them off. If you ever try to explain your cause no one will take you serious if you are wearing leather shoes. Thats just a fact. Even if you explain they are second hand. At the end of the day Veganism is also divorcing the idea that any animal byproduct should be used in any capacity. We arent entitled to another creature's skin. You wouldnt wear shoes made from your dead dog. So just extend that respect to every living being and dont wear any leather shoes unless you absolutely have to. Or alternatively if you have a pair of shoes that isnt worth shit on the secondary market just use them until you cant use them anymore.

Vegans/vegetarians be like "I wont buy leather made products because it exploits animals but I'm fine with buying products that are made through an exploitative capitalistic system because I love animals! No really, I love them so much I wanna fugg them :DDDDD"

Some points against
1. most vegan products arent made this way. They at least try to enforce better practice Not saying this is always the case, but most of the time the factories and working conditions are listed.

2. If other countries still use bad labor laws like we did 100 years ago, why are we supposed to stop them? They are literally ethically behind and we can try to catch them up or not support them, but they know what they are doing is wrong
3. Leather/meat from animals is a disgusting system, and you already know that. Don't let advertisers that use the phrase happy cows = happy cheese rule your life.

Also, suggest an alternative you fuckwit. Capitalism isnt going anywhere fast. Were at least TRYING. The crazy part is that its just not that hard. Sure I get pissed trying to buy a pair of shoes, but at the end of the day they're not worth killing over

anticapitalism and veganism should definitely go hand in hand, but that's not a very convincing argument being vegan at all

That's why I asked if you had any not high end shoes, every vegan shoe I find is too expensive for me (I don't want to buy mass produced shit canvas shoes like vans or converse), one of the best options for me is getting second hand leather because it is more durable so I can wear them for a long time and save for some nice vegan ethically made shoes that are not shit design-wise.

What kind of vegans do you know? most vegans I know try to get shoes that are made in countries with decent laboral conditions. Also not every vegan is an ethical vegan, many vegans are vegan because of the environment and don't give a shit if an animal suffers or dies.

that's still an ethical reason for being vegan (e.g., taking care of the environment). ethics shouldn't be a dirty word.

You guys are taking my point too far. Too often I see a large chunk of vegans/vegetarians ignore bad labor practices exploiting humans which I view as more important than animals, not that animals should have rights. Of course animals should have rights but don't ignore your own species.

The only solution is class consciousness user and I see stuff like veganism/vegetarianism which try and give good face to an exploitative means of production only hinders the growth of class consciousness. When people think that capitalism is fine and dandy they won't revolt.

As long as it is produced in capitalist means, it is exploitative.

size 14 dude here. I don't think these nicer brands such as Brave gentlemen or Rombaut make 14 consistently. I'll also say I think their selection sucks. Its all leather dresswear or boots. I want something a lot more casual and I think my only option are another pair of black Vans
Guess they shouldn't be appealing to the super casual wide frame guy with size 14 feet specifically, but its rough

Do you eat leftover meat thats going to be thrown out? I'll be honest with you and say a couple years ago when I was a vegi and not vegan I occasionally would. My thought was that the food was going to waste and instead of begin wasted I should just eat it. the problem is that you're assisting in the cruelty. If you wouldnt eat second hand non vegan stuff I really don't think you should buy second hand non-vegan stuff. You're just cleaning up other peoples messes

Did we take your point too far? We simply said that we aren't ignoring our own species.
Capitalism is an odd beast. It thrives because someone somewhere is getting fucked. If you're vegan you know that.
Were taking the stance of not eneding animals to eat or dress ourselves, thats it dude

I know but it is just more easy to differenciate ethical and environmental vegans to transmit ideas, specially for someone like me who isn't a native english speaker.

>As long as it is produced in capitalist means, it is exploitative.
how?
also, vegans know it's impossible to cause 0% suffering and exploitation, we just try to make it less worse.

I don't eat second hand meat because vegetables are cheap, also a plate of meat can't last more than 30 minutes but a good pair of leather boots can last years, oh, food decays too and leather doesn't decays as fast.
I think arguments against buying a pair of leather shoes aren't going to convince me to not buy them, a link to a brand/online store that sells relatively cheap ethically made vegan shoes(specially sneakers) is going to stop me.

>how?
read das kapital

>we just try and make it less worse
filthy utilitarian

Will vegan shoes

supposedly good quality, not 400 bucks, and are great. unfortunately dont fit my feet but felt good to me

labor relationships in a capitalist society are inherently exploitative, because the worker is always paid less than the value of their labor, leading to the accumulation of capital by the owner class.

HAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING KEKS I THINK ILL GO HAVE A NICE JUICY STEAK FOR LUNCH

One option is to buy fakes of the shoes you like. Go on aliexpress and have a look, I have some af1s made from pu. Obviously the quality won't be up there but they

why be a vegetarian if not a vegan? What's the point of being a vegetarian at all? Just curious.

A lot of shoes are actually synthetic leather. I believe all of the Raf Simons Adidas are made from synthetic materials. Any Nike shoe as well uses synthetic leather.

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I'm curious too. The only reason of being a vegetarian instead of vegan is health reasons but if you care about the environment and ethics there's just no point of being vegetarian (unless you're making a slow transition to veganism).

glues made from animals on a lot of em.
read the thread yo

i think as long as the animal died of natural causes then its still considered vegan to use its skin or eat it

No, it's not considered vegan if it is an animal product. It can be called cruelty free but not vegan. Also what does that have to do with tricky ricky's stupid omni shoes?

this thread is about to transcend our mortal dimention any time now

>morality is a spook

it is, though.

>said by someone who's never read a single word of stirner

hahahaha do vegetarians eat shoes, you silly bastard cunts ;D;D;D

Veganism =/= vegetarianism, veganism =/= plant based diet. Veganism is more like a lifestyle which includes a plant based diet but that's not the only thing.

I know it fucking isn't. It's foremost and above all a lifestyle. A lifestyle of saying 'look at me I have superior view of morality' 'I'm wiser than all you asses'
In no way does wearing salad shoes benefit any animal

Kek, it's just about not buying animal products, that's it. I think you're the one who thinks is superior to others, we aren't shoving veganism in your face, you decided to comment here.

If you actually want to help out animals be a fucking veterinarian or volunteer at an animal hospital, wearing overpriced shoes made out of old man cum and tumbleweed isn't doing anything to help out what you are actually trying to accomplish.

>Implying I don't already help out animals directly
This is not a veganism discussion thread, go on an actual vegan forum and tell them what you posted here to get real answers, also some vegans don't care about the animal's lifes so your argument is kinda invalid. Nobody told you to come here, you can get out if you don't like veganism or you can actually contribute to the thread.

What if I told you millions of innocent people nobody cared about, unlike your salad sneakers, will continue to die while all those beloved animals didn't even have a sense of life to begin with

So what? I don't care about animals, ethical reasons are not the only reason to be a vegan.

>some vegans don't care about the animal's lives

this is a blatant lie

It isn't, see

I ment see , it isn't sustainable to make leather because the cows need food but their food need space to grow so people destroy rainforests or important ecosystems that can't be replaced and that's not ok because forests are important for the weather and shit like that, then the process for treating the leather uses chromium and other "dangerous" substances. You can go and research for yourself if you're really interested. I'm tired so i won't explain anymore

What if I told you only a stop on population growth can solve problems like these, and farmers will continue to destroy forests, because doing so will stay viable when the population continues to grow, even when the world runs on proper salad

Yes, a stop on population grow will solve problems like that but people reducing animal products consumption can help too, I know that won't happen. I just don't want to be part of the people who are causing the most damage, also it would be stupid for me to go back to consuming animal products for me because I'm very used to a vegan lifestyle, it is easy and cheap. I don't really see what you're trying to achieve with your comments, making a vegan stop being vegan does not help the world or anything like that, just live and let live.

i am very surprised at the number of vegans on here, and more surprised that the trolls aren't any different from irl comments.
yeah definitely hit me up. i think i'm gonna have to find a proxy for postage so i can use grailed
interesting. i will check 'em out.
i remember hating the styles but next time i'm in london i'll check them out in person just in case
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even vegan ramones still use leather

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