I just joined a political organisation for young communists. However i'm not a communist...

For discussion, education I attend Socialist Alternative. I'm not really a Trot though, I was compelled by some of their successes in direct action against foreclosure, 15now, council woman in Seattle, etc etc. I've also worked with IWW, but a lot of the anarkiddies like to circle jerk about anarchy too much imo. I want results. I like some of what SPUSA has to say and does. Need more people in the left in the US desu, too much liberal tumblr shit
The guy carrying the idpol garbage to the trashbin of history is based Marx. These identity politic issues detract from the root of all issues in society (the base, i.e. economic). By squabbling over "muh racial purity" or "muh gendered pronouns" etc, you are buying into the game of distraction that the ruling elite want you to buy. The rest you should be able to gather from reading the image.

chill the fuck out

that pic is reactionary af and shit like that doesn't fly in real leftist circles. racial and national oppression, gender oppression and cissexism, the oppression of queer people, of people with disabilities ect. are in no way less material than class exploitation. They are all grounded in material social relations.

Idpol should rightly be criticized, but the purpose of this criticism should be to show activists engaged in these movements working within liberal ideological frameworks that those frameworks are ultimately inadequate to the successful pursuit of those struggles, not that the struggles themselves are unimportant.

If you think that pic is reactionary I think you miss the point a little... otherwise I agree with you. The picture isn't to dismiss these struggles, but to say that making them your sole platform, again, detracts and distracts from the core issue from which all oppression, etc extends. Reactionary shit doesn't fly in leftist circles, of course, and I myself participate in memorial marches for those slain by cops, 15NOW marches, lgtbq protests... but if we really want to see a united left in our lifetimes, then we need to focus on bringing them under a common banner that addresses ALL of these issues.

Again, comrade, I ultimately agree with you

all black. turtleneck and blazer combo will be your uniform

i dont think its saying that its unimportant just that idpol is breaking apart the unity of the oppressed and preventing eventual revolution

Good to hear comrade, I might've overreacted a bit I just got the wrong impression. Now that I think about it if there's anything that would open up Veeky Forums to leftist thought it's gonna be a message like that.

true, but making fun of someone saying "learn my pronouns!" and then comparing them to a white supremacist is not exactly sympathetic to the trans struggle

i agree but it isn't really making fun of those reasonable types but the extremists on idpol and pol who base everything on race/gender/sexuality hence how they look like. but then again this is a leftypol meme

Exactly why I posted that particular pic, primarily because of the context of a forum dominated by nationalist idpol idiots.

yeah I figured that after I made that post lmao, forgot where I was for a sec

since there are a lot of leftists in this thread on Veeky Forums, what do you guys do for a living and what brands do you buy given your leftist leanings?

>what do you guys do for a living
work
>what brands do you buy given your leftist leanings
any brand

carhartt

Kill yourself.

Can't you just join a fraternity and gain the same sort of comradery and brotherhood without having to try and fit in?
Fraternities aren't as exclusive and across the board as media portrays them to be.

You first faggot

Earth tones + gray scale and no ostentatious brand names/logos

>communists
>knowing anything about history, political theory, or economics

HAHAHAHA

You seem upset :(

the second reply is scary true even in /pol/
I know there are some people who are get paid to derail and push topics down and the pay is usually $5-8 per post depending on how good they got people's attention. Pic related. Even they agree /pol/'s worst bane is that they love talking about blacks and sjws too much while the interesting topic slides down the drain.

>young communists

Let me guess you're an American teen that thinks Communism is cool and edgy.

Neck yourself.

The amount of lefties in this thread has made my evening.

Keep it up comrades.

Identity politics at its finest

Funny, you're literally describing /pol/ if your replace communism with NatSoc

keep living in idealistic fantasyland friendo

>he thinks sanders has even a remote connection to socialism

he's a filthy liberal

We have to assess America in terms of how much Sanders has tapped into class consciousness, now he's no Eugene Debs but he's definitely set the wheels in motion if you get me. I mean, 50 years ago this just wouldn't have been possible. It's a step forward rather than necessarily in the right direction.

i understand liking the idea but someone in this thread delineate practical policy that would allow the functionality of a system of communism that doesn't preclude physical reality

and i mean governed through whatever means whether state or otherwise

No one cares what you're wearing. Spend your time and money on reading if you want to fit in

this really

you'll be better off without Veeky Forums in the long run I think.

ECONOMIC ILLITERATE

>cool and edgy
>neck yourself

can you phrase this in another way

how do you make communism work

Read Marx/Lenin/Bakunin/Luxemburg/etc

>what is postscarcity

Oh he's definitely set people on the right path. I'm just using hyperbole considering where we are and how /pol/ thinks he's an actual communist

this

Kill yourself

You do realize most actual working class folk (at least in America) are totally class cucked?

>not being an ancap

kys my man

lmao, nice contradictory ideology there

I'm in a Marxist organization myself. Most people dress however they fucking want. We have some hipsters, some yuppie-lawyer types, university professors, dude bros, working class dudes, needs, etc. Just wear whatever the fuck you want to. No one will give a shit.

But I would recommend staying away from SA, they will end up just supporting the Democratic Party in the long run, like most American leftist groups. And the SPUSA is virtually dead.

contradictory? LMAO

please explain, if you can do that successfully i'll send you 100$ through paypal

if anarchism is against hierarchy, and capitalism is inherently hierarchical, then what are you

who protects your precious property rights when there's no government?

Not that guy, I'm a Marxist actually, but the problem with capitalism isn't that it's hierarchical

watch Godard's film "La Chinoise" and dress like the characters do

full rick

cringe

This thread needs to be deleted.

Maintenance technician, and I buy shit I can afford that is less likely to/will more slowly give me cancer

No shit, but in most orgs I've been to it's working class folk.

What's it like being cuckolded by the ruling elite?

What Marxist Org are you part of then, comrade?

And they don't support the Dems, it's what is often referred to as "entryism" and a mean of recruiting some more "class-conscious" layers of the party. Sanders is a first for them, they have always supported the Green party come election time. In fact, they have their own city councilor in Seattle, as part of their independent party. If you're living in SF, LA, NY you can viturally thank her for your min wage increase

That's not what I'm saying, hierarchy is what makes capitalism incompatible with anarchy

Anarcho-capitalism is not anarchy because in Anarcho-capitalism you still have leadership in the form of individuals who control the most capital and whom others are dependent on for livelihood.

Ignore the edgy part of this meme, rothbard actually said this

>arguing with someone that identifies as an ancap
>arguing with someone that identifies as a communist

Just accept that they're retarded and move on. Stop wasting your time and energy.

I doubt you understand even the basics of marxism

>you don't understand it, or you'd accept it!
not an argument

what's your argument against it

you can't refute something you don't understand

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>>arguing with someone that identifies as an ancap
>>arguing with someone that identifies as a communist
>Just accept that they're retarded and move on. Stop wasting your time and energy.

ill be laughing when ur bourgeois ass gets sent to the gulag senpai

>class cucked
I really like that term. Very on point. Thanks user

Buy some legitimate com org made clothing. Try serve the people or something

>What's it like being cuckolded by the ruling elite?
Communism is a system that will quickly develop the biggest, the richest and most oppressive ruling elite you retard.

There is only one solution for communism and communist retards like OP

Move to Venezuela instead of spreading that filth here

go offer yourself to be penetrated in public since it's obvious that your ass belongs to the state
also i cant believe how many astro turfing socialist are here

Trans is a mental illness. Science should be attempting to battle gender dysphoria itself, not hunour it with cosplay surgery. (That still leaves incredibly depressed individuals who battle with never being truly accepted as their gender since they often live in the uncanny valley as far as appearances go)

Non-binary is even worse, Gender roles are manipulated by capitalism sure, but its foolish to deny the inherent biological factors influencing masc and fem regardless of idnvididual cultures and their differences. Our modern quasi-state of gender role breakdown is worse off than pre-feminist functioning family unit. Furthermore, that shit FURTHERED capitalism by nearly doubling the workforce and thus lowering the value of the other workers immensely. (Supply and demand).

Homophobia is a problem however, and we need gays adopting all the unwanted lost kids.

Always wear a suit if you are discussing politics, however this is probably some liberal tumblresque american organization so fuck you

t./pol/ack

for every socialist on this board there's 7 edgy natsoc kids actually making thread to play nazi dress up

nice argument classcuck

the end goal of communism is a classless, stateless society. you look like a fucking idiot when you don't know what you're talking about desu

just embarrassing, mentally cuckolded into a delusion by those who hold the majority of power and wealth.

fuck off fag

SPUSA dead? better do your homework senpai, cuz they're one of the largest, most active left groups in the US. don't be so divisive, cuz it's eerily COINTELPRO-esque

>communists
L E L
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why is communism so funny?

to add
don't even try to call me a cuck of the ruling elite I am anticapitalist but I aint no commie

Comuni never worked they killed over 100 million people rapes tortured op is edgy I just this socialism or communism never works back to Puerto Rico op

wear a wig and speedos

let's hear what you are so we can laugh at it then

Socialism should NOT work because social equality is fucking boring, only poorfags want it to happen, mostly out of spite.

Puerto Rico is actually the perfect example. Let's compare it to Cuba. The US has had control of PR for well over 100 years (since 1898) and it's a basket case. It is bankrupt with over $80 billion in debt, a poverty rate at over over 45%, and real unemployment rate over 20%. Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate and a longer life expectancy that does PR. In fact Cuba, which has been embargoed by the US for over 50 years, has social indicators on par with the world’s most developed nations in categories such as literacy, infant mortality, life expectancy, healthcare quality and coverage, and educational access. On the other hand PR lags far behind even though it has the great American capitalist economic model to emulate. Please tell me which system is better for its people?

Work 3 part time jobs and study

I live in a major American city and the spusa has less than half a dozen active members. Some friends of mine went to their national convention in Milwaukee last year and it was really tiny

do you think that Hobsbawm knew nothing about history, Lenin and Gramsci about political theory and Marx about economics?
dude freedom lmao

The venezuelan economy is being sabotaged by right-wing private parties who want to seize power. They are stockpiling necessary commodities like food, toilet paper, medicine, etc. in warehouses in order to create artificial scarcity and destroy the economy/working people's lives. The united states is pumping significant monetary and logistical support into right wing counter-revolutionary parties and has tried to launch several unsuccessful coups.
Anybody who tells you its because of "oil" or " freedom" isn't paying attention to the Venezuelan crisis beyond corporate propaganda sources in America.

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>to add
>I am anticapitalist but I aint no commie
You lack of basic reading comprehension

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Everyone look at this brainwashed communist

Please move in with your comrades at Venezuela or Cuba

lmao nope, the only one brainwashed here is you

or it's that there's real scarcity because too many people aren't working or are working but have incentive to not report to the government and resources are being drained

SA are advocating for Sanders to run third party.

Who do you think we are? CPUSA?

i've got a general idea of the concept but unfamiliar with the details of the works.
regarding the "preclude physical reality" bit, do any of them address the possibility that inequality is inherent? this is less of a gripe with communism and more so that the purported system doesn't seem to consider that equal opportunity might be impossible. human behaviour isn't just a product of environment, an example of which is the 60-80% heritability of intelligence. to correct for this would require some form of elimination of the individual, something such as eugenics or authoritarian policing.
if you posit these things, how could you conceivably avoid corruption of the system. inequality and the subsequent formation of hierarchy seem to be inevitabilities unless corrected for through morally questionable practice.

how would post-scarcity exempt the existence of a social hierarchy? saying post-scarcity would make communism work is tautology and implies that communism would be infallible. that is if the large whole of society wouldn't become unnecessary with the advent of said technology.

>believing in any political bullshit living under another person laws and dictum
Left or right, they're both shit, at the end it always corrupt for the ones with more power.

socialism is pure shit, the actual useful people in venezuela are dying for move to another country. Believe me, i lived under socialism 12 years, im from Argentina and is pure corrupt trash for only the ones on the goverment side.

You should join a nationalist organization if you're looking for camaraderie and fashion.