In the last 100 years or so why is everything becoming more liberal in western countries?

in the last 100 years or so why is everything becoming more liberal in western countries?

What could make these countries turn more conservative? What would need to happen if at all?

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>mfw leftcucks emptied the word liberal

Cultural Marxism and 18th century "enlightenment" ideals.

This poison is responsible for the decay of western civilization.

>implying that Marxists want to be associated with Liberalism

top fucking kek

Cultural Marxism is a spook and nothing else.

>le spook maymay

Nobody finds this funny.

It just makes you look like an idiot.

>1139443

I smelled the /pol/cat straight away.

Nobody finds /pol/ack use of Cultural Marxism as a shorthand for "THING I NO LIKE :((((" Either,

Because it's better. It makes us stronger. That's it.

>there is no such thing as marxism!

Commie detected.

Most "convervatives" are actually liberal. It's the term liberal that is wonky, mainly because leftist ideas died with the fall of Soviet Union, so they had to rebrand themselves. And liberalism is a good thing, so they started to cling into that. You can't really say liberalism is a bad thing or you would attack on the whole fuckign foundation modern western world (and with that, rest of the world) is build on. The belief on individual rights and personal freedom with no-inherited rights/privileges but rather based on ones own merits.

Now does this mean all leftist ideas are bad? No, obviously not. The world is changing and even the left has ideas which should be taken seriously, instead of just going "aah, those bloody commies are talking again".

We all convert to Islam.

Cultural Marxism and Relativism.

Europe and US turning away from Christian values is also a reason.

>You can't really say liberalism is a bad thing or you would attack on the whole fuckign foundation modern western world (and with that, rest of the world) is build on.

A lot of /pol/cucks do it anyway though.

>Europe and US turning away from Christian values is also a reason.
Meh that would imply Christian values haven't always been European values to begin with. Christianity isn't some external institution from European world, but rather European world molded Christianity into its own culture. Also Christian values aren't static either, they have moved with the overall cultural trend.

I don't think you understand what /pol/ really is, desu

We need capitalism and no socialism.

>what /pol/ really is

it's a place where stinky /pol/cats to hang out is what I heard

secularism

We need both, in moderation.

Where is there socialism in the West? Besides the ice countries.

>we need a system that calls for democratic ownership of the means of production and private ownership together
>we need a system that calls for a moneyless society and a society driven by money together
>we need a system that calls for international revolution and one that maintains the status quo together

Liberals are almost as contradictory as capitalism

That depends obviously how you would exactly describe as socialism. If you put it down to government control over means of production, there are examples where this kind of action is considered as a benefit for the society as a whole, rather than privatizing.
Does this mean your local supermarket needs to be owned by state? No.

Socialism doesn't mean that the state owns the means of production. Socialism means that the people who work there own them. Stop spouting this stale meme

the opposite is true, OP. there is a rise of reaction afoot, it's just that in their retreat from the complexities of modernity, people eschew traditional fantasy lore like the bible for updated versions, like marvel comics.

just look at SJW's, they are the modern version of early christians, noisily espousing their moral code and forcing it upon others. crazy hair dye is the new tonsure, and big plastic glasses are the new crucifix. they're the ultimate reactionaries, with their idealization of items of "classiness" like the fedora and the gingham dress (the whole 50's meme look in general in the US and the pseudo edwardian meme look in the UK) and their desire for a simplistic overarching narrative of "good vs evil".

the muslims are doing the same thing with their "le gr8 gee-had" meme and the russkies are even doing it with the "le sobiet stronk" meme. it's happening everywhere.

i blame a combination of greater awareness of other cultures (which induces reaction), various vested interests who utilise this trend to advance their own interests (dictators and wannabe dictators love reactionaries because those reactionaries love strong authority figures) and a media landscape - particularly advertisers - that will bend over backwards to tongue the arse of every obnoxious fad if it means eyeballs and revenue.

There is always push-back.
Right now, all across europe nationalism is on the rise

>fantasy lore like the bible

Post discarded.

A war

Wars usually make the population more conservative. I can already see how it'd work now. Women screaming for gender equality will realize the consequence of that when the draft starts. The last time the topic was seriously brought up (a few months ago), women on social media flipped their shit and said "FUCK NO I DON'T WANT EQUALITY IF THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS".

Your whole post can be generalized as "People who go against the cultural norm are all the same, despite being completely different in values."

This would be true if you were talking about a single product factory (like for example tire manufacturing) but stuff like infrastucture is owned by whole society, where democratic state would be the controller and all the members of the society would be beneficiaries.

Liberals are suicidalists. They want to destroy Europe.

The self-hating atheist white individual.
>Let millions of immigrants in
>"We're sorry for our oppressive history!"
>"Take my daughter"
>"Praise Allah!"

This cuck attitude is rampant all across the west.

Thank God nationalism is on the rise. Europe has to wake up from its slumber.

>i was triggered enough by this post to get my tips fedora image from my reaction folder and quote the bit i object to before stating my dismissal of it.

thank you for reading it, tho, bruh.

No, it just made you lose all credibility.

The Bible is truth. Everything in it happened.

it can be generalised as that, albeit incorrectly.

Marxists hated Liberalism and were traditionalists in certain ways

There's so many meme terms in that post that I have very hard time to take anything seriously. It's like post straight outta tumbrl.

>The Bible is truth. Everything in it happened.
>implying the Prophets were sinners

Tumblr doesn't post like that. I see what you're trying to do here and nobody is falling for it.

You're trying to flip flop and say that pol rhetoric is tumblr rhetoric, fuck off retard.

I meant the meme part. Tumblr likes memes. Your post contained words that are without any deeper meaning.
And in before you ask which one
>Liberals
>self-hating atheists
>cuck attitude

Cultural Marxism! Grunt. Burp. Fart. Cultural Marxism I no like! Everything I no like is Cultural Marxism! Why no one want to fuck me?

Nice post redd!t, upvoted

Conservatives are masochistic shitlords. They want to destroy our multicultural society

The woman hating christian white individual.
>Let millions of immigrants die in a civil war
>"We're not sorry for killing everybody and enslaving them!"
>"That's MY daughter"
>"Praise Jesus!"

This racist and sexist attitude is rampant all across the west.

Thank Goddess feminism is on the rise. Europe has to wake up from its slumber.

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>liberals
>want fewer civil liberties
How did this happen?

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

Libtards

Why is the united states the only country so resistant to liberal change?

Try to be anti liberal or anti immigration in anywhere but the US and you'll get fucking lampooned and probably beaten up by antifa

Do that shit in the US and nothing will happen and Cletus just might hear about it and come over to throw a tailgate party to celebrate

Some places like the west coast and new York are bad but that's really it

Liberalism is based on expanding individual freedoms and human rights, and conservatism seeks to remove those rights.

Liberalism is a form of faith between the individuals that make up society. Conservatism assumes that people are inherently bad and need to be controlled.

There should be a balance between the two. When dealing with the people or individuals liberalism should be practiced.
When dealing with in house policy and internal government affairs, I believe conservatism should take center stage.

Then there are these ''liberal'' SJW's that are making trannies into heroes, trying to strip gun rights, chipping away at free speech, causing sexist rifts in the youth, and so forth.

These guys are a new level of cucked conservatism and they don't realize it.
They went so far left that they went around the world and landed on the far right.

>tumblr likes memes

So does every other website. Nice syllogism.

>Conservatives are masochistic shitlords. They want to destroy our multicultural society.

Multiculturalism just does not work though in our current political, societal, and economic standing.

>The woman hating christian white individual.

What's wrong with homemaking? How dare women choose to stay at home and raise a child!

>Let millions of immigrants die in a civil war

Not our problem. We let kids in Africa die every day and we see no one bitching about it. I don't care either way for both groups.

>"We're not sorry for killing everybody and enslaving them!"

We shouldn't be punished for the crimes of our forefathers.

>"That's MY daughter"

lmao. When you daughter gets raped I'll be laughing.

>"Praise Jesus!"

What's wrong with believing in Jesus Christ?

>This racist and sexist attitude is rampant all across the west.

No one cares.

>Thank Goddess feminism is on the rise. Europe has to wake up from its slumber.

Feminism is a newer societal creation though.

Well, the US is more like a group of 50 countries than one country.

>and conservatism seeks to remove those rights.

>Conservatism literally has the word "conserve" in it.
>conserve means to keep, not to remove
>Conservatives are the only ones talking about the Constitution and freedom

Scary Frankfurt school conspiracy to destroy western civilization is retarded.

You apparently missed recent congressional developments then. Some republishit on the armed services committee wrote a bill requiring women to register for the selective service. He onky did so so that he could stand on a soapbox and holler about how women shouldn't be in the military, but to his chagrin, the female democrats on the committee completely agreed that women should be forced to register, and helped lead the charge in getting it passed by the committee and sent to be debated before the full house.

They're not even socialist.

note that this goes also for every other reactionary group ever: from leftypol marxists to /pol/ Evolaites, to real protesters and criminals. It's part of the richness and greatness of Western civilization that it can tolerate the existence of so many millions of losers and retards, while still forging full steam ahead with its goal — the creation of the Overman — without skipping a single beat. The degenerates call this steamroller effect of our culture — the marginalization of all groups not contributing to our culture's goal, and their reduction to clown- and freak-show status by our media — "social alienation", "materialism", "globalization", "desensitization", or any number of other nasty names; while between us it is known as simply "power".

Have they even explained WHY they'd want to destroy it?

Lol it doesn't matter what female politicians want. The population is absolutely gonna oppose it, unlike all the other politics that happens quietly.

Not to mention that all the violence seems to come from the Liberal side.

Libtards are emotional creatures, acting like a child throwing a temper tentrum.

Libtards are immune to Facts, Logic and Statistics. They always go by muh feelz

Top kek

The only things they are trying to protect is big business and gun rights.

If conservatism is the tightening of belt, or contraction, liberalism would be loosing of the belt or expansion.

While standing or 'conserving' your ground may have some benefits, progress is made through expansion, or progressing onward.

Like progressive, liberals are working towards the good of the people in the future, not just the there and now.

So why should men and women be treated equally? They're inherently different, so it naturally follows that they should be treated differently.

>That's sexist.

>Ok, but how is it wrong?

>It's sexist.

Literally just "jews"

Thanks for those vague platitudes.

The point I was making is your rhetoric is tumblr rhetoric with a different bad guy. If you want me to tumblrize this post too just ask.

I got goosebumps on my ego

Are you familiar with the word satire?

With much gratitude

The physical differences between men and women do not, in any way, suggest that women should be less empowered than men

What about their need to be protected and cared for during pregnancy?

"The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife. Do not deprive one another, except by mutual consent for a limited time, so you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again, so that Satan will not tempt you through your lack of self-control."

Men have duties such as protection and working.

Women have duties such as making sure dinner is on table.

I'm just being a dick.

But really, empowering women to take on certain roles that they've idealized seems to really make them unhappy in the long run.
Like career women who can't find a man because of her mannerisms for instance.

They also lose the chance to have kids and raise them with energy. The time and energy went into the work. Men don't have to worry about this, at least not to the same extent,

>"The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife. Do not deprive one another, except by mutual consent for a limited time, so you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again, so that Satan will not tempt you through your lack of self-control."
Muslim here. This sounds very agreeable. Where's it from?

And they both got duties to be fucking away the devil

Reminder: It's scientifically proven that feminism has made women unhappier.

nber.org/papers/w14969

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Also women like a dominant man.

All these strawmen

But this is America dagnabbit, and if a woman wants to throw her life away as a wage slave instead of staying at home and playing with babies they should have all the tools to enable them to do so.

The huge cost of birth and pediatric healthcare is one of the reasons the family unit is fucked too though. It's why they need to work or find a sugardaddy.

>60+ books
Wow, thanks for being specific.

Feminism is retarded.

You want to be treated equal?

Then don't cry when I punch you like I would punch a man.

>waaahhhh why do you hit a girl!
But you just told me you wanted to be equal!

The fact is that men and women are biologically and naturally different. This is how God has made it.

Women are geared for specific tasks and men are geared for specific tasks.

Feminism goes against nature, it's an abnormality just like fags and trannies.

Feminists always tend to have father issues.

Women are only pregnant for a trivial percentage of their lifetimes.

There is no reasonable defence for preventing women to get an education or have a career.

The problem is that only the left is talking nowadays, and if the right tries to be taken seriously everyone goes "aah, those bloody nazis are talking again".

This

Not debating any of it I see.

Very strawmanish of you.

>There is no reasonable defence for preventing women to get an education or have a career.
Who said anything about that? We all know what you really mean when you say "empowerment".

Women don't lack the energy to have kids, they lack the money and the time

Our current economic system makes child-rearing incredibly expensive, to the degree most people will not be financially ready for parenthood until their thirties

False correlation, men are also unhappier now than in the 50s

Look at suicide rates

In the 1960s liberals enlisted the support of street gangs to take over universities, they expelled all the conservative professors that still remained and began to indoctrinate everyone who passed through the university system (ie anyone that matters) ever since.

Maybe the right should learn to talk without sounding like nazis then? Or do you really believe the only political ideology talking is left? What kind of barrel are you living in?

Why do rightists always say "I should be able to hit women" instead of saying "women should not be allowed to hit men"?

All privileges allotted to men should similarly be given to women. And any privileges enjoyed by women should also be given to men.

SJWs talk like Maoist Red Guards and no one gives a fuck.

Empowerment in this case means a lack of active oppression, such as the removal of rights

m8, if you've been paying attention to the current debates, you'd realize that that fact only supports the anti-feminist perspective.

>All privileges allotted to men should similarly be given to women.
Why?

And what rights do women deserve?

> trivial percentage of their lifetimes.
So pregnancy + raising a child for about 10 years until they can somewhat care for themselves, then maybe?

If they haven't gotten pregnant again and reset the clock.

It's a life choice. Men can play the gender reversal role and be a stay at home dad, but somebody has to raise the kid. Even when they start school at 5 ish the childcare work won't ease up.

All that changes you, as does an extensive education or career.

Congratulations, you just won the stupidest post in thread award!

Do you often punch people? Why? What kind of barbaristic society do you live in?

>This is how God has made it
>Citation needed

>Feminism goes against nature, it's an abnormality just like fags and trannies.
That would imply there is some hidden rule in nature which we all should follow. Inherently all actions taken by humans are natural, as natural world allows it.

>Feminists always tend to have father issues.
While I am not a feminist, this kind of statement is just stupid.

Goddamnit Veeky Forums, stop being this fucking retarded. You write arguments like a kindergartner would.

Women are weaker than men.

How are women going to fight wars?
Construction?
Intensive labour?

Women are supposed to take care of the children and put food on the table while the man sustains the family through a job.

50's America had traditional house wives and they were perfectly satisfied and happy.

Now, women are "liberated" and they feel terrible.

No, those "double standards" are there because women are on average weaker. Either you treat men and women equally or you acknowledge one as stronger than the other, but I doubt people are going to follow you on the former.