If Stalin killed 60 millions people, population of Soviet Union would shrink...

The historical consensus is 15-20 million died as a direct result of Stalin's orders or policies.

Sadly, idiots ITT have proven you wrong.

15-20 million plus 30 million from the war = ~50 million. Learn2math

>annex multiple countries
>HOW DUN DO POPULATION GROW BIGGUR?
>>>/leftypol"

>15-20 million plus 30 million from the war
>plus 30 million from the war

Fuck Churchill, that evil dictator caused the death of millions of British citizens, I can't believe some people still defend that guy, I'm really on a lefypol ffs.

>Stalin responsible for the deaths in the war
>Hitler dindu nuffin

Fucking kill yourself.

There aren't enough people in the annexed countries for that kind of phenomenal. Especially when you consider that those countries were the ones that had the worst of it (e.g. Belarus).

youtube.com/watch?v=cpNaV2Usxlc

reminder

WHERE ARE THE BROOFS?

Shouldn't you be squatting in your two-strip abivas track suit tovarisch?

COUNTERREVOLUTIONARY KEK

To get a growth of 26 million over the reigh with the death counts from both WWII (25 million) and the "60 million" for Stalin, you would need a growth of about 111 million people.

In 1951, Belarus (in total, not just the annexed territory) had a population of about 7.7 million.

Lithuania had about 2.7 million (1959).
Estonia had about 1.2 million (1959).
Latvia had about 1.9 million (1951).
Lwow Province had about 2.7 million in 1939, and while that obviously isn't the total population of Galicia, it gives an idea about the remaining small territory.

In total, the areas I listed had about: 16.2 million.

And remember, not all of Belarus was annexed, just the Polish controlled areas.

So, unless Moldova, Karelia, and East Prussia were hiding nearly 100 million, the annexed territories were nowhere near adequate for such growth. The 60 million number is clearly wrong, unless you want to say that the Soviet Union had fucking retarded levels of fertility during Stalin's time, and during no others.

>Stalin is solely responsible for WW2

My math was fine, you need to learn2history.

And, of course, this isn't counting deaths due to natural causes like old age.

REKT

It's just like 6 billions jews being gased by evil adolf

>No sources

Here you go, user.

intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/eBooks/Articles/1959 USSR Census Selegen.pdf

The casualty figure of WWII usually already contains the deaths caused by Stalin's terror and mass deportations during that time. It also contains the dead collaborators (who did what they did mostly because of Stalin's pre-war terror). 60 million is still retarded obviously

Not that user, but why do you think the numbers are inflated or downright made up? Do you think this is politically motivated to discredit Stalin? Who do you think propagates these figures, the West or Trotskyists?

Personally I've never heard the 60 million figure.

I'm not actually sure if the 60 million number has a real basis in scholarship. I know Robert Conquest never said it, and he is usually the go-to guy for people who don't like Stalin. I have heard it said that R J Rummel said it, but I haven't read his books, so I don't feel comfortable confirming or denying that.

Over the course of a 100 years it's not really hard to imagine communism in Russia killing around between between 60 and 100 million. There was revolution, two world wars, one cold war with afganistan as a proxy conflict not to mention a systemic breakdown.

Russia still stays strong.

But the deaths are attributed to Stalin who was in power from 1926-1953. I could maybe understand if it was from 1917-1991 but the figure seems to be used to discredit socialist ideas and is not historically accurate.

Even the Black Book of Communism only claims about 20 million victims for Soviet Russia in its entire sotry.

It does sounds like someone misconstrued a source.

...

He didn't. The meme is officially "muh 20 million", but that number has no evidence and was pulled out by some "American historian" out of his ass because he "predicted" population growth to be 20 million more under Stalin than it was.

Documents reveal he only killed around 600k in the great purge. Some 1.5 mio died in the gulags, but mostly during ww2. There is plenty of evidence for Stalin's wrongdoings, like the Katyn massacre, but there is no evidence he caused any famines.

>holodomor, what holodomor?
>it's all propaganda

/leftypol/ please. This is as embarrassing as when regular /pol/ starts holocaust denial threads.

>holodomor

fuck this ukrainian meme. That famine was fucking horrific, yes, but calling it the holodomor is a spit in the face of the true victims. 1933-34 was a central asian tragedy. My family is from Kazakhstan, where 1/4 of the population died because of this famine. But oh no, muh persecution ukrainian banderites never shut the fuck up. Like they weren't one of the forming members of the USSR. Like they weren't the ones ruling it with Russians. Higher party echelons were all Russian and UKRAINIAN. You didn't have a fucking Kazakh there.

Hogher party echelons were all jews and caucasians mostly.

in 1920 maybe.

He annexed countries as that happened. That's why it didn't shrink.

See this: The expansion of the borders is not enough to account for the growth experienced.

>Do you think this is politically motivated to discredit Stalin?

Uhh yeah

I annexed greenland, Andorra, and Fiji.

Why didn't my population increase much?!?

I dispute the 111 million number. The deaths aren't only of citizens of the USSR. They are deaths under the war machine and deaths under camps. The infographic is dishonest and paints the numbers as 60 million citizens dying.

16.2 million people plus the USSR's expanding birthrates over 25 years could equal the difference I would think.

Isint is somewhere more around 20-30 million peacetime deaths? i dont think anyone claims 60 million from peace time alone

I know for a fact that Solzhenitsyn claimed it.

This is what I understand it as. 20 million peacetime 40 million outside. Regardless, the 60 million number isn't firmly a consensus or anything.

Jesus Christ, you idiots. I was talking about the fucking total of deaths which was in the fucking OP photo. Or did you not fucking read the fucking OP photo where war deaths are included? Son of a bitch Veeky Forums, for a bunch of humanities majors you're a bunch of illiterate cock suckers.

>he fell for the soviet statistics

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>muh holodomor never forget 60 million ukrainians
There has never been that many ukrainians to begin with.

The image clearly says "sixty million died here", putting it in-between the war deaths. As in, it is counting it separately.

no one outside of the fucking John Birch Society thinks Stalin killed 60 million people, the number most people outside of Russia accept is more like 20 or 30 million. 60 million is the number given for people dying due to Mao's policies

>only killed 20-30 million
>he wuz a guy boy etc

>people stop being born because people are dying elsewhere