What was the most powerful fighting force relative to it's time period?

They allied them to fight the Mamluks. The guys in charge of the mongol middle east were philo-christian pagans or nestorian christians for a long time before they finally adopted islam. That's also why they contacted the Pope and the kings of France and Aragon (and maybe some other monarchs I forget now).

Mongols also failed to conquer vietnam my weaboo friend.

Nukes are a literal meme.

No one's ever going to fire a nuke again, and if they do, they're only securing their own destruction.

If America marched into Mexico, Canada, and SA, and said, "This is ours now" the World would threaten it with allied warfare, but they can't do shit.

Nobody's been bull enough to call the Nuclear Bluff

Nah, Vietnam was just a limited engagement. The US still fought tooth an nail where it was allowed to.

America is actually limited by treaty to 1000 active nuclear warheads.

Russia also gets 1000.

Britain, France, China, and Israel operate roughly 300 apiece.

I really, really wouldn't want to test this theory.

Kinda, vietnam ended up paying tributes like a vassal state to kublai, a much better outcome.

TBDesu, The US and Russia should just team up.

Double envelop the whole of the World.

This. As if the US navy wasn't dominant enough, now it has vastly superior firing mechanisms.

I'd rather have China.

The most technologically advanced society on the planet and the most populous country on the planet.

The EU would also be a good choice if they weren't such fucking Melvins.

Countries with a population of less than 300 million can't apply.

khans started dying, and by the time that was all sorted out, the empire was fracturing and not at full strength

China was significant then it's significant now. "Chinese language can be traced back to a hypothetical Sino-Tibetan proto-language. The first written records appeared over 3,000 years ago"

US is like a sprinter
China marathon runner

>>usa can't win a single war against guerrillas

[x] told

US-India take over the world. It is the most natural outcome for the future.

All who stand in our mighy wake will be no more than designated shitty vassals

Nehruist socialism turned them into Africa.

>lel nukes are meaningless lmao dude

Nah I'd say 1985-2010 America.

People forget that we only produced about 100 nuclear weapons (that were extremely ungainly) by 1950. Meanwhile the Soviets were still popular and had a massive initial numerical and strategic superiority since West Europe was destroyed.

Except no, because the only way to win a war against a popular guerrilla movement is a campaign of genocide.

Besides, the mongols were more then willing to wipe out anyone who opposed them, and they still couldn't conquer vietnam.

Which literally is a meme weapon that doesn't work in any cost-effective manner.
It's been 20 years in production, and has now been abandoned on most platforms outside the 1 zumwalt.

Modern China is in serious trouble and they will likely be incapable of ever reaching the same heights of power that the modern US and the west in general have.

India is literally a shithole though.

I'd rather keep things how they are desu. Europe may be retarded, but it's our retard. No one knows what India would poo.

The French and Brits conquered it with 4,000 soldiers, the eternal Anglo, and a gunboat.

Relative to West Europe and to a lesser extent, North America, it is not as in trouble.

Nippon is stronk!

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>could have done that got interrupted by khans randomly dying and shit.
If you're going to start a dynasty, I don't think you can ignore poor choices of successors.

Steppe people drink.

A lot.

It's never explicitly stated in the history, but most of the Khans drank themselves to death.

i wonder if their problems with alcohol has some sort of genetic basis, native americans can't deal with alcohol either

People have been wondering about that for centuries.

The Mongols had fermented mare's milk, so it's not like they were totally without alcohol, but I can see how suddenly having access to unlimited amounts of wine would result in significant problems.

holy shit someone saved my shitty edit

Actually, I'm gonna go with the Korean navy vs the Shoganate's in their failed invasion of Korea. turtle ships we essentially floating tanks, and their navy lose *none of them*

Without international trade the USA wont be able to keep their army supplied with all the high tech resources it needs. Neither is it large enough to invade all teh places it need to at once to gain access to these resources quickly.

In truth if I was an outer space invader the USA would be the last place Id invade as the USA without a doubt has the best Military in the world. This Military doesnt run on air though.

It's a Pepe

Really? If they didn't care they would just fly and bomb everything and not give a fuck about collateral damage

Genesis left a successor; Ogedei.
Ogedei planned to conquer Europe in 18 years.
Ogedei had problems with drinking, by the time he died he didn't name a successor. The mongols needed a Khan and started having troubles.
The next Khan had a preference for Christians (meaning that the Christian neighborhoods in bagdad were left untouched) since her mother and wife were from such religion.
When the current Khan dies, the whole mongol empire gets separated in various "states". They were pretty powerful to maintain the conquered areas, but not enough to expand.

I found it in the archives, actually

Mandatory Prussiaposting
Gott Mitt Uns, Habsburgs

it can defend itself against the whole world because lmaonavy but conquering is out of the question

>can't even conquer Europe or the nips
>powerful

didn't =/= can't

>3-5 times longer range
>Fires at speeds of Mach 6
That's a massive improvement over conentional gunpowder. Just making it cost less and improving its flaws and you have an amazingly powerful piece.

>multiple failed expeditions to both places
>can't
USA didn't even have to fight, it just bought out Europe. Mongol empire is pathetic, even wormy anglos are more powerful on their worst day

Are the vietnamese secretly the world's greatest power?

Does BORAD (Bowl Of Rice A Day) + All the rat meat you can catch actually give the best gains?

The Mongol army would have been infeasible without large pastures for their horses to graze. Most of Europe was wooded and with limited farmland for grazing. They could have leveraged local forces, but then they'd lose their advantage as a horse archer military.

Greatest heavy cavalry of the late medieval era. 4000 of these fuckers completely demolished a 40,000 strong army of Ottoman infantry in the Battle of Vienna. Known for their devastating 19 feet long lances, impenetrable armor that could stop musket balls,and their ferocious resolve.
>mongolfags btfo

Sort of.

It could probably smack around the planets army, but it'd still lose a conventional war eventually.

In addition, modern war isn't decided by raw money and power. At least not first world country wars. One hasn't happened yet, but assuming interception systems fail the war would be 15 minutes of missiles streaking by and lots of ash cities.

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They pretty much do

>Based Mongols praise Genghis 'I killed forty million and raped just as much' Khan
>Build a monument to him and praise him as a great leader and founding father
>Progressives in the West revile their founders and great warriors, many of whom brought more to the world than Temudjin's cleaning up of the environment.

Just fuck my civilization up.

They even sing great songs about him.
youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo

They weren't even given that sometimes. Entire divisions would sometimes fight while eating shit and insects for three days straight.

>britain can't win a single war against gurreillas
>Napoleon can easily beat all of Europe

there was no shogunate during that war

a mongol scouting army wrecked several european armies tho

pretty shit looking statue desu senpai

>literally winning the battle but not the war in the poorest and most fractured states
Oh and they nearly lost in Hungary. Batu literally wanted to retreat after fighting not even all of the Hungarian nobles.

it was directly after the shogunate was established, when they had a bunch of leftover soldiers from the sengoku jidai and the needed somewhere to put them so they wouldn't war anymore. They tried to invade koream, but it didn't work.

No, that's not true. The invasions of Korea during that time happened under the Japanese leadership of Hideyoshi. Hideyoshi was never Shogun. The Shogunate was established after Hideyoshi's death and a brief civil war which followed. By that time the Korean invasions had ended.

>that map

Thank you, Danube river.

Mongolia has an average wage for domestic companies and jobs of like 300 USD per month, what do you expect?

oh, well, after the unification of Japan, anwyay.

Yeah the Korean navy was pretty impressive during that war. Unfortunately, their army was generally kind of crappy and even with help from the massive numbers of the Ming dynasty, they fought poorly against the Japanese on land.

Well Japan had a warrior culture and the fact that it was just coming out of the its feudal period, but the fact that Koreans were fielding rockets and ironclads in the late 16th century is impressive as hell.

Autism from k is leaking

Parthian empire (first century)
British empire (Victorian era)
Roman empire (second and first century BC)
French empire (Napoleonic era)
USA (post WW2)
Unified German empire (1905-1917)
Third Reich Germany (1939-1944)
Spanish empire (1490-1590)

USA from 1945 to right now probably

Not really. The NVA and Vietcong lost every single battle against US forces. Tet was touted as some sort of god play, but it literally destroyed the Vietcong and NVA couldn't put up the resources for another offensive until two years after the US left the region. The Vietnamese suck cock at fighting wars. The South Vietnamese just sucked a little more.

>element of suprise
>doesn't use it to cripple the strongest power

Learn to war, even the japs figured this out

how do you explain to your troops that you are gonna suddenly invade all your friends and allies?

>Parthian empire (first century)
Did you just randomly pick them? They were just steppe fighters with a persian flair. They were beaten all the time by the romans and others.
>British empire (Victorian era)
Hahahahahaha. Most technological and economic advanced? Yes. But by no means especially powerful militarily compared to the rest of the Big5.
>Roman empire (second and first century BC), French empire (Napoleonic era), USA (post WW2), Unified German empire (1905-1917)
Not much arguing against that.
>Third Reich Germany (1939-1944)
Thats why they won the war, right?
>Spanish empire (1490-1590)
They were obviously weaker then the Ottomans during their first decades. Maybe at the end of the 16th century and during the first half of the 17th; especially once they got their tercios perfected.

Oh they conquered vietnam and malaysia? When? During the 19th century when they had a large advantage in military technology, the communist bloc didn't exist to give the viets military support and the most advanced weapon the viets had was probably a flintlock at best?

I mean yeah I should have mentioned that weapons technology plays a role too, but at the same time you're being kinda disingenuous here.

>1200-1000 BC: Assyrians
>600-400 BC: Achaemenid Persia
>350-300 BC: Macedonia
>150 BC-200 AC: Roman Empire
>(600-700: Muslim Caliphates)
>(650-750: Tang China)
>1230-1300: Mongols
>1450-1550: Ottoman Empire
>1580-1630: Spain
>1680-1700: Absolutist France
>1800-1812: Napoleonic France
>(1814-1830: maybe Russia)
>1890-1915: Imperial Germany
>1945- ......: USA

>India
youtube.com/watch?v=mPne-q4ynts

>Progressives in the West revile their founders and great warriors,

What the fuck are you talking about? At least in the US, no one reviles people like Washington, Jefferson, or Madison. At most you see a couple of uneducated people angry about the slavery issue, but even they are a minority.

thank you for the great watch. i love the pajeet butthurt in the comments and even more the guy catching the truck accident on camera. savage truth no pajeet can handle.

Look at Germany where people like Fredrick Bismarck Arminius and literally every great german is blamed for Hitler's actions

>Without international trade the USA wont be able to keep their army supplied with all the high tech resources it needs.

Didn't stop them from getting titanium covertly from the soviets to build planes to spy on the soviets.

Polish Hussars and the fucks that idolise them are so very much Reddit, I don't get how they don't catch more flack.

>Arminius
Yeah, sure had shitloads to do with the modern German state.

>What was the most powerful fighting force relative to it's time period?
alexanders phalanx, roman legions from about 300BC to 100AD, polish winged hussars in the 17th century, the royal navy from 1750ish until 1918, the red army from 1945 until 1985ish

off the top of my head

The Malayan Campaign and Ramon Magsaysay prove otherwise.

Ramon Magsaysay also proves that you don't NEED to genocide to crush a popular insurgency. You just have to address the reasons for the insurgency to develop to crush it.

Considering that alcoholism is a massive problem in modern Mongolia, maybe.

You mean the Imjin war(s) against Toyotomi Hideyoshi's Japan.

The Korean Navy's greatest moment didn't even involve turtle ships.

>Modern China is in serious trouble and they will likely be incapable of ever reaching the same heights of power that the modern US and the west in general have
You do know that China collapsing means it'll be just replaced by another government who will probably do the job better?

Holy fuck and I believed that the middle east was the very definition of chaos. There it was at least kind of amusing, in India it looks just unbearable.

Here you go op.

Are we talking about the brits in malaysia here? Because the malaysian insurgency was not a popular one with the local population, it still took a long fucking time to permanently deal with the rebels and even if the first thing wasn't true the british getting lucky and putting down an insurgency without a massive slaughter once does not mean that any other insurgency can be put down that way. Most popular insurgencies either succeed in some way, or get violently put down with plenty of innocent people dead in the process.

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>4000 of these fuckers completely demolished a 40,000 strong army of Ottoman infantry in the Battle of Vienna

this is what polishfags belive

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
> Jan III Sobieski led the charge[16]:661 at the head of 3,000 Polish heavy lancers, the famed "Winged Hussars".
>"The charge easily broke the lines of the Ottomans, who were exhausted and demoralized and soon started to flee the battlefield"
>140,000 Ottoman Strength

That's pretty fucking cool holy shit