When will China stop being ruled by the communist dynasty?

From left to right:
Qin/Han
Yuan [Mongol]
Nationalist Party
Qing
Communist Party

Don't even need to be a Sinophile; easy enough to figure out from the flags and costumes.

Why would someone use nukes in a civil war?

Pretty sure Han and T'ang China was stronker.

Literally had 0 rivals in the region.

Ming, too.

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It's still a communist party dynasty, even if they're communist or not in practise.

Nah. Ming had to contend with Japanese dickery and Mongol Empire 2.0 called "The Four Oirats."

Not as overwhelming as Han or T'ang which stood truly alone.

I am however speaking militarily. But yeah, Ming China politically and culturally was a regional power.

Funny how that graph stops after 2010, what's funnier is that China doesn't need to have growth reverse in order to have serious and massive internal issues.

The CCP is tolerated by the chinese populace because they deliver economic growth and lots of it, making people better off then they were before. If that growth slows, which it is already doing, then at some point the chinese people as a whole will stop putting up with the commies.

Apparently I got all of them except the first (and the republic, but that's because I didn't see the symbol well first).

Of course it will. America already OPENLY states that it wants to shift its military focus toward East Asia to "keep China from throwing its weight around" which is code for "Intimidate the Chinese by putting our battleships and aircraft carriers a only a few miles off your coast to show you we're still the kid with the biggest stick on the playground"

Literally just yesterday Obama ended that arms embargo to Vietnam because they know Vietnam and China hate each other.

Shanghai looked nice in 1990

Why would you kill 30 millions in a civil war?

Nope,jpg.

It was literally of squatters n shiet.

Now those squatters n shiet are in the outskirts.

Does this not apply to all governments and all populations?

I'd say worry about the western countries first. Growth slowdown is way worse there and people are already getting uppity about the blatant population replacement plans via immigration.

Is the Communist Party just another aspect of the Mandate of Heaven?

Nah.

If China breaks down, America will back MUH FREEDUMBS groups or ROC in Taiwan.

And a bloodbath ensues.

USA will arm "the opposition" in Xinjiang. Takbir yelling vids all over the internet.
Half of China's territory islamizes.

Great job, western world, you've just helped expand islam, again.

Nah.

It didn't announce it (important)
Didn't claim it (important)
Did not show respect to erstwhile rulers and the ancestors (also important.)

To be fair: neither did the republic. Because Mandate is supposedly "Muh old shit holding China back."

Well, if tibetans or other minorities killed chinks instead of themselves, maybe the USA could arm those. It's the muslims who actually resist and, amongst muslims, the islamists.

Difference is this is China we're talking about, not Syria

American and European investors are salivating at the thought of the untapped Chinese middle class. Why do you think America does so well? Because it has such a large and stable middle class that you can sell stuff to.

China has always been the big prize. Since forever Europe has wanted to do business with China and now, after almost 1,500 years that looks like a serious possibility so if shit went down in China you'd best believe there would be American soldiers there to protect American interests

>China has a history of fragmenting and unifying
>to keep itself unified, it needed to divide its enemies
>China is now a dumbass peace broker between nations or indifferently sitting on the geopolitical sideline

This will be their downfall.

>American soldiers there to protect American interests
Well congrats then. So Vietnam War X 10.

There's like 3 million people in the Tibetan Autonomous Region...
That's like a small city in Chinese terms..

The difference is that we can elect a different party here without needing a violent rebellion to do it. And no, slow economic growth doesn't necessarily mean internal unrest in a nation where the government isn't an authoritarian shitshow that can and will jail you for criticizing them.

I'm sure the same can be said about the uighurs.

The point of a civil war is to destroy political opposition in "your" own land. Why would you nuke your own country?

An invasion of Russia or China with the purpose of controlling the area would be such a Faustian move.

But it's what every empire does, which leads to their subsequent disintegration.

Russia and India are more likely to arm separatists.

America is too busy trying to woo Singapore to
do anything but low-level spying on China.

Higgity hell no.

America's focus in South East Asia. They literally would sign a destructive global trade pact (The Trans Pacific Partnership) that Singapore probably wrote to keep Singapore an American ally of convenience.

Singapore happened. 50 odd years of plenty and economic crises later, Singapore is still ruled by the same fucking political party it had since 1959.

China's learnt a lot from Singapore and I am pretty sure the same thing will happen in China too.

>America
>learning from its mistakes

One of the most important cultural events in American history and world history was the proliferation of left wing movements in the 1960's kickstarted by the international backlash of American intervention in Vietnam. Not even 30 years later America hastily invaded Iraq under similair and equally suspicious circumstances, effectively repeating history.

If America didn't learn the first time why do you think they would for the fourth or fifth time? If you don't like it write your congressmen. Every American war this century and last started with the pretense of a boat being destroyed (or two towers) and requiring America's undivided attention

To destroy the political opposition.

Singapore is a fucking city state, incapable of posing a life-threatening force against China.
Sure, it's strategic, but technocratic city states are what gets a libertarian hard, but a general even harder.. To squash.

Militarily, no, even that I'll agree with.

But Singapore's worth lies in the fact that it's the only political power in South East Asia that has good relations with China, and America fears that when Singapore decides to back China rather than the States, the whole of Southeast Asia has to follow, because seriously, do you really believe that Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar, Cambidoa and fucking Laos have actual political power? Sure, Vietnam hates China, but it's part of ASEAN and whatever Singapore says, all of them will fall in line.

And don't get me started on the Phillipines... (they're literally shit)

I'd give them about a hundred more years, the CCP is actually quite underrated. Horribly corrupt but highly efficient.

As long as they stick to the paradoxical blend of traditional Chinese meritocracy combined with corruption due to guanxi, they'll be alright.

Singapore doesn't lead ASEAN, numbnuts.

In these terms, the Philippines is far more important since what they speak is the opinion of the USA.

>Singapore
>technocratic city-state that plays bigger, more powerful empires many times greater than itself off each other to come out on top

I-It's like Venice whenever I play Civ 5. It's beautiful

>If the CCP breaks up you'll have the CCP, cliques of Generals, political parties, and breakaway minorities. Lord knows if the ROC in Taiwan will weigh in.
The central military planning made sure that another warlord era is much more difficult as regions that make military equipment have their complements made far away. For example, the province producing tanks will be far away from the province producing engines and also far away from the province producing guns and so on.

A Balkanized China makes my dick hard.

>be Chinese
>ancient China was GOAT
>modern China is shit

inb4 buttmad non-Mainlandfags reply saying that Mainland China isn't the REAL China

NOT SO FAST Wong Fuk Duk, Hong Kong sucks too (NOT SO FAST A-Chen, Taiwan sucks too (NOT SO FAST Hsien Koo Heek, Singapore sucks too)))

jdimsa t.b.h.

What will Hong Kong do in a Chinese civil war?

Board up the city like a zombie apocalypse movie versus refugees and cry like a bitch, hoping the war stops.

ask papa Britain to come back

The Communists are immune to mandate of heaven logic, otherwise Mao would have been deposed. China suffered both natural and manmade disasters under his regime and nothing happened, unfortunately.

Be the leading city-state of the Greater Canton League

This t.b.h. Too much territory occupied by the same state for my autism to bear it. China should balkanize.

India, Russia and the USA too to be honest.

I guess Macau is still bretty gud then
t. Alberto Barbosa

Hong Kong can't even fight for shit.

Decisions made by ancient China led to the century of humiliation tho lmao. Deng has started China's resotration

That was part of the reason he spurned traditional thinking; it wouldn't have allowed Mao rule. Now that the government has eased up a little, and people are taking greater interest in ancient China and traditional thought, the rhetoric might be used more effectively to criticism government.

And you know this, how? Triads run some of the biggest arms rings in China. They can arm that town in a heartbeat and before you know it, doves and dual wielding happens.

Well to be fair the Kuomintang also could have taken advantage of the situation but didn't then either.

I partly agree. I agree with the first part as to Mao's rationalization for eschewing traditional logic. I'm not so sure of the second part. I guess if there is another great economic collapse or multiple disasters, we might see Commie China fall apart.

BALKANIZED PLANET EARTH

FREE THE PACIFIC ISLANDS

what about Shanghai? Do you think the Triads would try and take the city or nah?

Pacific islands are already balkanized enough. There's 14 fucking countries in Oceania I mean, what the fuck.

We should put Australia and NZ in asia and nuke the rest.

Shanghai is solidly PRC tho.

but we're talking about a hypothetical PRC collapse and I'd imagine Shanghai would be a highly valuable and contested place in such a scenario.

14 countries for 20,000 islands! Disgusting! FREE PACIFIC

Dynasty warriors with nukes.

>China
>Communist
They stopped being communist when they decided enough people died.

This

Can you really, sincerely describe them as communists? I'm not big on economics, what do you call what China has?

From my understanding its a mixed market economy seemingly with free enterprise while the government nationalized its natural resources. Is this correct? Wouldn't that make it socialist?

So a socialist country run by guys who roleplay as communists?

>Implying battleships are still in active service with any navy
>Implying you can get within miles of China's coast when they are building artificial reefs in the South China Sea
I get what you mean though, I was just nitpicking. I'm actually glad the U.S. is putting pressure on China and supporting countries like the Phillipines, Vietnam, etc. in the South China Sea. It's also interesting that the U.S. ended the arms embargo, though I thought the U.S. sold SAM systems or some other kind of missile defense system to them two years ago.

Even without the west it'll still get fucked, and there will be a ton of manufacturing that'll get stalled.

Isn't there like one dude who's descended directly from a T'ang emperor who managed to become a minister in the communist China?

>le nationalists were puppets of le evil west meme

Zhu Rongji. Not T'ang, Ming.

Also no big deal.
1) China isn't big about treating lineages as special because they used to be of emperors n shiet.
2) M8 there's millions of people who descended from Chinese emperors. They're like Mini-Genghis Khans.

I mean, check out Zhu Yuanzhang a.k.a Hongwu's family. Family name of the Ming founder is "Zhu." Look up the Princes he spawned. Now imagine each of those princes did what their daddy did (had wives and concubines) and boom, the house of Zhu's descendants can fill a city.

Same goes for the Li's (T'ang Dynasty founders) and the Liu's (Han Dynasty founders) and many other Imperial Surnames.

Forgot my fucking picture.

It seems like no ethnicity except whites are made to thrive in the modern world.. And they're being thinned out by their own mistake.

Did he have a big willy?

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