Fedoras who unironically believe Postmodernism is a bad thing

I don't even know where to begin with this post

Maybe with Derrida. Just sayin'.

art deco, japanese minimal, and anything futurism is the best

he is completely correct though

This is particularly true about architecture

I think postmodernism is fine, like looking at a painting which the artist never entirely felt was finished. Of course, in any work of art one could keep fucking around with it, a dab here, a streak there, but sometime at some point you need to leave it the fuck alone and call it done. Until we move along to the next image in the gallery, this one has plenty to appreciate and is actually quite attractive for its flaws.

Why can't postmodernist define it?

This. It's just teens being teens. Before fedoras, there was emo kids, people would dye their hair black and listen to Linking Park. And before that there was goths. And so on and so on. Youth sub culture is a pretty fascinating subject.

But fedoras are mostly adult men. Men up to their thirties.

This is how you understand things, huh. When I was a high school idiot, in the late 80s, we had goths, emos (we called them corn chips, I have no fucking clue why), and they weren't pseudo-intellectual, ass-hat fedora fucks. We had real nerds with pocket protectors and calculators, and no internet to hide behind like some reject clown shoes, mentally masturbating fuckwad batman.

Also, Linkin Park is fucking amazing. Recognize.

Postmodernism is the bullshit philosophical version of Stephen Colbert's concept of truthiness. Even if something is complete bullshit, it might have a feeling like it's legit - and it must be treated as such.

Postmodernism is what is leading to many today believing that some of the greatest ideas of Western philosophy, literature and governance are nothing more than the ideas of some "dead white men" which should be ignored. Human rights? No such thing. Secularism? Social construct. Democracy? lel whatever.

Postmodernism is just a shitty product of French intellectual culture, who constantly try to one-up each other on who can be edgier in their circlejerks.

That's because it is. Thanks to undergraduate tumblr feminists who don't understand what they've read or claim to have read, postmodernism has become a complete fucking joke.

The guy who invented the world already defined it. It's the rejection of grand meta-narratives. Go look up the word.

You are the one struggling with the meaning of words.

>Also Linkin Park is fucking amazing. Recognize

Does your dick go hard when you put on your fedora in the morning?

>Human rights? No such thing. Secularism? Social construct. Democracy? lel whatever.

>Neoreactionaries and altrighters got cucked by postmodernism
Bravo Land, Bravo Moldbug.

Things feel complex until they start to feel simple. That's how she do.

You do know that memes aren't actual rebuttals, right retard?

>Neoreactionaries and altrighters got cucked by postmodernism
What the hell does that even mean? What are you talking about?

>Human rights
>Secularism
>Democracy

>Neoreactionary and altright

I dislike postmodern art because it rejects any notion of standards and thus becomes retards writhing about in filth. I haven't given much thought to the philosophy behind postmodernism.

He seems to be saying that the "alt right" got it's ideas from post modernists.

Yes, they think those ideas should be ignored.

>rejects any notion of standards and thus becomes retards writhing about in filth
thats because its all a matter of perspective, user :^)
le nothing matters xD

am I being edgy enough yet?

Postmodernism is an insufferable and lazy form of nihilism.

As a French, I would argue that there are some valid reasons to dislike postmodernism. The tendancy of the postmoderns to forge their own vocabulary and concept did lead to the glorification of pure gibberish in some cases, the most pathetic one being Lacan.

Postmodernism is where communists found refuge once they couldn't defend the Soviet Union anymore.

*insert unfalsifiable trash here*
At last I truly see

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>if you don't swallow commie gobbledegook like a champ you're a fedora-tipping child :) :)

ngl I am actually slightly triggered

To extend on that, a lot of people find the highly abstract work of the postmoderns to be of very little practical value, contrary to other philosphical schools which can assist in the pursuit of truth, morality or in the accomplishment of political objectives.

It's all a matter of context.

During the 60s, the "Establishment" was still mildly conservative, there were still representants of the "old order" in the cultural reproduction apparatuses such as the media and the academia. Enoch Powell for example, was a respected academic, and even a stormweenie like Revilo Oliver could teach at a university.

In this context, the whole "criticism of grandnarratives" of postmodernism was in the interest of a left that didn't held central power but aspired to it, it was about discrediting the "old order", saying that their accomplishments were meaningless etc.

Nowadays this changed. The generation of 68 is in power in all Western countries, so they do not have time to this bullshit. See how the discourse changed from "rejection of grand metanarratives" to "lol you don't want to be on the wrong side of history, do you?"

It was all about power and only about power. That's why, even if the ideas of Foucault or Baudrillard can be useful to neoreactionaries, they do not care much about it and instead they focus on Bertrand de Jouvenel who was more concerned about Power itself instead of bullshit intellectuals used to justify seizing it.

Fortunately that sort of bullshit seems to be on the way out, what with the contemporary revival of Classical Realism and the Kitsch Movement.

Here come the altrighters, shitting up another thread about something they have no understanding of.

sorry to interrupt your session of sitting around going 'lol tippy xdXdX lolo tippytippy!' I'll get out and let the adults discuss this in peace now ok

CULTURAL MARXISM!!!!!!!!

You know, Nihilism, as in the sense that it is right about the nature of reality, has not been rebuked yet

Here we have it again, either you like it or you don't, there's no middle way... Typical autism.

That having said, what is branded postmodern philosophy is usually unreadable. It would suit them to make their ideas at least readable.

Show me a non-left postmodernist. Its their safe space.

Peter Sloterdijk? Slavoj Zizek's secret lover?

Maybe you're just not intellectual enough, have you considered that?

This comes to mind
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

There's 50 years old goths. Edgy teens grow up.

beat me to it

Yeah, Postmodernism is all a scam. You figured it out, user.

That's possible.

All those things you mentioned are a product of postmodernism though.

>Darrida caused linkin park
Knew it.

Yeah I knew about that. There's also a book called "fashionable nonsense". I want to give postmodernism the benefit of the doubt but they make it really hard by using such a cryptic method of writing

The concept of hyperrealism is interesting but I could hardly understand the book in which it was presented, I can only understand it through plato.edu

You really have no idea what Postmodernism even is. I mean fuck, have you even done a basic googling?

Intellectuals are always wrong. They supported the Bolsheviks, the Maoists, the Khmer Rouge, the Bolivarian Revolution, any regime supported by intellectuals end in disaster.

I know don't how they can manage to be so prestigious even after these major fuck-ups.

Intellectuals are not a monolithic group you turd, of course retards existed, and still do, that supported idiocracies. But that is not to say that all do.

I never understood quite why I hated Derrida so much. At last, I truly see.

>"intellectuals" are one, cohesive group
>people like Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell don't count as intellectuals

Purge yourself

>Also, Linkin Park is fucking amazing. Recognize.
You come out with a turbopleb opinion like this and expect us to tke you seriously. You're like 40 years old, Linkin park is child's music

>people like Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell don't count as intellectuals

Try to cite Thomas Sowell in an academic paper.

You will be laughed off out of college.

I'm sure you've written plenty of academic papers, and had problems trying to cite Harvard educated economists in them, fudge packer.

>>Thomas Sowell a nobel prize winning economist cannot be cited in a college paper without the person doing the citing being laughed at.

What the fuck has happened to the college system?

Communists took over in the 1960s.

Which is why the US went from Keynesian economics to monetarist economics in the 80s, amirite?

The objective of monetarism is to deepen the contradictions of capitalism so that revolution becomes possible again.

Milton Friedman was a communist.

>Satan arguing against Reaganomics

I don't know who to side with.

>Milton Friedman was a communist.
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>Following Carl Sagan, a dead man, on Twitter
You probably meant Neil DeGrasse Tyson (le black science man) but I still agree with your points. There are some real poser fedoras who think they're a lot smarter than they really are and circlejerk the concepts you mentioned.

Wouldn't this be the birth child of new Atheism?

this thread is awful

in less than a year, and Veeky Forums is already complete shit

good job everyone

I've been here since the beginning, and this is about the quality it started with.

That is, shit.

In Spain we refer to SJW's and transshit ppl as postmodern retards. So strange.
What is the actual definition of postmodernism?

It was shit in the first hour of the first day and I know that for a fact because I was there. Get off your high horse.

So what is your contribution to make this thread better quality? Just ignore the shit and post in the worthwhile topics. If that doesn't work, I don't know what will.

>What is the actual definition of postmodernism?
after modernism

And what does that mean smartass?

I'm not her, but do you know how to Google?

Wikipedia's definition is bullshit. I want to know what you guys think of postmodernism. I mean, some of you have strong opinions about it so I thought it would be easy for you to answer what postmodernism is.

Modernism
>My ideology will lead to utopia

Post-modernism
>ideology is trash

And what is an ideology? A political ideology or just statementes about the world? Like, socialism and capitalism or freedom of speech and equality?

Sorry if I sound too impertinent, I'm not baiting, I'm honestly curious about this, I think in Spain we have a very distorted vision of the concept of postmodernism

Postmodernism (the philosophy) is just an umbrella term for certain philosophers and ideas, ideas that almost all seem to be written in cryptic and verbose language

It depends on the field. Postmodern literature doesn't have the same basic principles as postmodern architecture etc.

>her
how do you know?

>And what is an ideology?
Ideology isn't the best way to put it, "meta-narrative" is what the po-mos themselves say. Basically that there is some grand story behind all events.

>Like, socialism and capitalism or freedom of speech and equality?
All of the above, in a way. The socialist idea that all history is the history of class struggles is a meta-narrative, as is the idea that all people are equal, as is the nazi idea of Aryans rising above the animals and the eternal jew, etc, etc. All of the modernist movements of the 20th century were guilty of this kind of thinking and post-modernism is basically about looking backwards and seeing how they fucked up and learning from it. At least ideally that's what it should be. It's been twisted by people as has every group

Eh the quality varies, but the subject matter of the board is a wasp nest and mods treat this board as any other board rather than recognizing that special measures might be needed, letting it become a warzone

>You people are the modern equivalent of the stuck-up religious people who refused to believe science over The Bible's every word. Yeah, the Earth's round

It's actually exactly the opposite. People are tired of postmodernism, thus it's waining. This happens with every artform, and it will happen with postmodernism as well. You're the church, clinging to the past.

>artform

I'm not english. But you know what i meant.

No, I pointing out how you think this thread is about the postmodernist art movement.
We're talking about postmodernist philosophy here.

but there are other people talking about art itt

>Postmodernism is lazy nihilism.
>postmodernism vs nihilism
>france vs germany

seems appropriate somehow

>the Kitsch Movement.
That's for hipsters, always was.

>look how tacky I am
>so quirky

>nobel prize means anything

Give me a break.
And Thomas Sowell is shit btw.

>I don't understand the subtle and complex nature of the work that intellectuals do

The OP was clearly referencing architecture

The person you're quoting, me, is the OP.

>concepts with all their complexities
You thought this could be about architecture?

So was indie rock, and look how that turned out.

Also, the Kitsch Movement is separate from kitsch when used independently. They're not making cheap pottery in the shape of gingerbread houses, in this context Kitsch as defined as the opposite of the avant-garde, which was its original meaning.