Middle East

Most of these women moved to Los Angeles and now their daughters are concubines to black cock.

What happened was basically this
Though I have to note that the whole "poor tend to be right wing" is not an universal phenomenom. In Latin America, for example, the same development, of poor people moving to the cities and reproducing more, turned politics to the left because the poor vote for socialists.

Why was Islam a problem in the 21st century but not the 50s.

>Hint: the most powerful influence on Arab countries is now Saudi Arabia/Iran and not the USSR

Prove me wrong. The Middle East regressed in just about every way compared to it's pre-Islamic days. I can't name one single invention or idea from those times that wasn't from a Nestorian or crypto Zoroastrian.

But what you just said now is different from what you said above.

Come-on user, keep it together.

It does. Everything bad about the Middle East now can precisely be traced back to that lack of innovation before where the Middle East was weakening in the time of Europe rising. The Middle East was under European rule during the majority of the 20th century, something that would have been prevented if the Middle East had gotten it's shit together and not decay. Persia for example would be much better since oppression of women would exist with Zoroastrianism.

CIA and Islam.

i wish the cold war never ended

Mongols are a hell of a drug.

>Why was Islam a problem in the 21st century but not the 50s.

Because middle easteners discovered secular nationalism at that time and put religion beneath the state even though the latter adorned itself still with the feel of glory from th former when it was convenient.

youtube.com/watch?v=bD-pjSOdHIM

The cancer started during the Cold War.

The big thing was all the independent Arab states trying to imitate Soviet style nationalism, and that failing, which led to disillusionment, and fueled the rise of radical Islam.

You can see this start to reach a head in the late 70s when the Mullahs in Iran unseated the Shah, and kebab in Pakistan burnt down the US embassy.

More music from that time to underline my point.
More Nationstate less of allah' for his sake alone.

youtube.com/watch?v=-Bgl0f9iXTc

See, what I'm trying to get at here is that religion, any religion, isn't generally the problem.

The problem is fundamentalist religion, which is universally cancer.

And I mean cancer in the most literal sense, it is a component in a complex system which has ceased to help the system as whole, but instead spends all of its energy mindlessly self propagating.

The United States backing religious fundamentalists and overthrowing governments for the sake of oil.

The ME is a hell of our own making thanks to short sighted foreign policy in the mid 20th century.

Good post

is there any way to fix it?

>expecting Veeky Forums to give you the right answer as to how to untie the political and socioeconomic knot that is the middle east

>and that failing
I think you mean
>and the CIA and/or US backed regional powers fucking everything up.

A lot of them tried the American system and got beheaded.

Wasn't just them copying the Soviets.

The thighs of the lady in green looks delicious

the only good answers

muh pol and muh borders are insuficient answers

Let them handle their own shit. Stop invading them. Stop giving them weapons. Atop fighting proxy wars in the region. Stop accepting massive amounts of muslims into Western countries.

Treat them like China 1950-onwards.

muh oil*

That's going to take a lot of work and a lot of time but the real short term is to stop backing fundie governments like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

The west needs to pull out of the ME altogether for a while and never go back in directly.

You do realize the Mullah's were copying the American/British system, right?

Egypt and Syria copied the Soviets.

>any religion

universalist pls.
A fundamentalist buddhist will fuck my shit up if I critizise the holyness of buddha but he wont seek out to throw faggots from rooftops and propagate a supreme kind of writing system based on his prophets origin.

Fundamentalists have fundamentalist differences and dream of societies with crass differences in law and behaviour concerning their cult.
And yes, some of these are less shittier then others.

Remove Israel so we don't have an excuse to invade and build a huge wall around the region

Crash the gulf states with no survivors.

This desu

This is something of a meme.

The regime the eternal Anglo installed in Iran was largely secular, and was overthrown by the mullahs.

Eisenhower even went so far as to side with Nasser against England and France, and save his ass.

Arab nationalism failed because of the inherent tribalism in Arab culture, the lack of democratic institutions and the fact that the Israelis kept blowing them the fuck out (three out of the four times this happened, it was without any US help.)

Israel is the scapegoat Arab leaders use to explain their failings.

If you took it away, they'd probably just fall back harder on the muh imperialists.

depends on what the funamentals of that religion are famalam. Saying all religion is equally bad is a cop out.

No, the copout was where I put "generally" in that sentence.

For example, all scientology is evil. No exceptions.

Bring in a new crop of mostly secular dictators like Saddam and Qaddafi, and let them do their own thing without outside intervention when they war among themselves or oppress their subjects.

>The Middle East was under European rule during the majority of the 20th century, something that would have been prevented if the Middle East had gotten it's shit together and not decay. Persia for example would be much better since oppression of women would exist with Zoroastrianism.

Iran was never under European control though.

>women
>"smartest subsection of the population"

You are thinking of gays, which is the real reason the ME sucks.

Nah.

You see, all ruling castes need legitimacy.

Since democratic institutions rarely succeed in Arab countries, most Arab regimes use conflict with an external enemy to shore up support.

This inevitably poses real problems to the rest of the world when they pick somebody that doesn't like to be fucked with.

The real solution is states like Lebanon, which have limited democratic institutions, constant internal conflict, and don't have strong enough political centralization to be a military threat.

>Wahabbism
>US wars against middle east
>US toppling democratic governments in middle east
>US funding terrorists groups in proxy war against russia

>A fundamentalist buddhist will fuck my shit up if I critizise the holyness of buddha but he wont seek out to throw faggots from rooftops and propagate a supreme kind of writing system based on his prophets origin.

Confirmed for being a retard. Buddhists can be just as violent and aggressive as any other religion. Tibet was once an warmongering empire. Japan had a major Buddhist uprising in the 15th-16th centuries. Modern Buddhist monks have been known to incite ethnic, political, and religious violence in Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand.

In India it's usually the Hindus doing it, if memory serves.

Sure, but India is also overwhelmingly Hindu with a significant Muslim minority. Buddhists are, ironically, a very small minority. Of course they don't stir up as much shit as the Hindus who are 80% of the population.

The U.S. basically created jihadism to resist communism. Turns out they're not as easy to control as they thought.

>What is BP

BP owning oil in the country does not mean the whole country was under European control. That's like saying China was controlled by Europeans because of Hong Kong, Macau, Shanghai, etc.

When your main export is Oil it's kind of the same things.

>Saudi Arabia and Iran created jihadism, and the US didn't concentrate on stopping it because they were too busy dealing with reds

FTFY

>implying

America actively supported it when the target was the Soviets but quickly lost control of it and are now looking down the same barrel

The U.S. did nothing wrong.

>What went wrong?
The US fucking up the region.

youtube.com/watch?v=x1NO5DwrQz4

youtube.com/watch?v=sg9bQDqKJnU

Retarded socialist demagoguery desu.
So (America's) Georgia is owned by Korea because there's a bunch of KIA factories there? Lrn2 international commerce.

That simply isn't true though.

There absolutely were Arab volunteers fighting in Afghanistan, but they composed a few thousand men, when the local Afghan fighters composed hundreds of thousands.

The US simply didn't care about the snackbars in Afghanistan one way or the other, because the foreign policy establishment was focused on the Soviet Union.

Meanwhile, the Shia jihadists abducted the CIA station chief in Lebanon and tortured him to death over the course of about 8 months, killed 230 Marines that were there on a peacekeeping mission, and shuffled a series of American hostages from car trunk to basement to closet for most of the 80s.

During the Soviet-Afghan War, transnational Sunni fundamentalism simply wasn't a significant political force compared to the other forces US policymakers were dealing with. Even if they wanted to fund them, it wouldn't be worth the investment.

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Islam mixed with corrupt dictators mixed with Israel mixed with socialism mixed with the Eternal Anglo and Eternal Franc mixed with oil

>implying America does not have a long history of supporting jihadists against Soviet interests and secular governments

>nuh uh America totally didn't support the mujahideen
>trust me guyssss!

>the Mujihadeen are the same as the people who conduct anti-Western terrorism

No.

You're looking for people like Abu Sayyaf.

The CIA didn't care about them, because they didn't have nearly enough fighters to matter.

Is there anything The Eternal Anglo doesn't transform in a flaming hellish shit with a touch of his eternal dirty anglo hands?

You do realize a lot of mujihadeen branched off into Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, right? How do you think the Taliban got so powerful in the first place? American and Saudi funding.

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this liberals and libertarians cannot stand that other people do not behave like them

>You do realize a lot of mujihadeen branched off into Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, right?
not true btw.

>How do you think the Taliban got so powerful in the first place?
Pakistan

>American and Saudi funding.
no, pakistan

They were actually a bunch of immigrant afghani students living in Pakistan who returned to Afghanistan with Pakistani and Saudi funding.

>France and Britain being completely retarded with borders come decolonization following WW2.

>implying that isn't intentional
>split up and force different ethnic groups together
>keeps them fighting amongst each other and not the real enemy (you)

nice cherry picking

Keeping groups of a region in a bitter fight against anyone for prolonged periods instead of advocating a mutually desirable peace is exactly what leads to the situation we are seeing now.

Nigger you have no idea about pre-Islamic Arabia. Also you have a dumb teenager's understanding of the phenomenon of religion itself.

>Arab nationalism failed because of the inherent tribalism in Arab culture

No - simply because it was caught up in the far greater conflict of the cold war between two superpowers with vastly superior wealth, military might, and political sabotage than they could hope to compete with. Many of these radical and fringe Islamist parties gained momentum simply because they were allied with the Soviets/USA which channeled training and funding to them which otherwise they could not have gotten.

CIA's puppet governments were completely retarded from their conception and just waiting to be overthrown

china REALLY want that dollaridoes. and as of now their economy and ours are one and the same.
Mudslime is too stupid and prideful for that

yeah. The USA propping up it's gulf oil producing states was nothing.

Wahabiism.

I mean back then, Baghdad looks like a chill place. It's semi-western, woman can into not wearing a hijab etc. And then Saddam and the Wahabiism ruins it.

youtube.com/watch?v=AajPxROvcTA

Nothing
Islam is the golden gift from Allah to humanity.

>And then Saddam and the Wahabiism ruins it.

Saddam kept Wahhabism down you retard. He was strongly nationalist first and stomped down on violent Islamist groups.

It's only with his downfall were the militant groups like Al-Qaeda really able to start surging oin Iraq properly.

Invade Saudi Barbaria, burn Mecca and Medina, steal the black stone, build a heated swimming pool around it and pour molten pig fat into it. Bury the remains of every counter-attacking terrorist covered in tons of alcohol and smeared in pig fat as well, force the survivors and captives into working with pigs and make sure that the people that guard them are sadistic homosexuals who will rape them till their sorry death.

Muslims thing they can do everything they want because they are "stronger". Show them that they're wrong, that will convince them. They are absolutely afraid of enemy that can fight back violently, in Afghanistan 2011 there was a situation where British patrol was ambushed by Talibans and the commander said: BAYONETS! Talibans that weren't killed were fleeing, I don't think a single British soldier was killed in that action. For the next 3 months Taliban activity in British-controlled sectors disappeared.

Meanwhile the "surgical dronestrikes" make them think that we're cowards, it's absolutely missed strategy. If you want to physically "annihilate islamic terrorists" then you should kill like billion people, which isn't an option, so you have to intimidate them and push them into thinking that Islam was a mistake.

And I don't mean that we should kill them all with bayonets but to combat islamic terrorism, any terrorism in fact you need to have boots of the ground killing the other guys as brutally as possible. Bombing, dronestrikes and other "safe" tactics only leads to the terrorist organisations' ranks inflating.

>this much edge

nice try mohammed

Is that Iran? Well, I think just for Iran people were getting tired of the Shah's incompetence and his general restrictions on public displays of faith. Then Khomeini represented the "Anti-Shah" and his persecution and exile only made people support him more

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is there any earth-dimension that this will actually work?

Terror doctrine have their own charm too. And the fact that such atrocity befall them and yet Allah didn't lift even 1 finger to help them will blow their moral and they will start questioning their faith.

MTerror doctrine is premium fuel for terrorism and insurgency. You confirm everything the insurgency says about you and Fred resentment and recruitment.

> start questioning their faith.
fucking nigga that's not how humans work.
youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/

When are you heading off to the front lines?

Religious fundamentalism by an undereducated populace.
The US is headed in the same direction.

>american attempts history

>The US is headed in the same direction.
I don't remember any Christian ramming an airplane on someone building because they don't worship their version of fairy tails.
>inb4 Crusade
That is a fucking self-defense after decade of never ending invasion and occupation of Holy Land.

>I don't remember any Christian ramming an airplane on someone building because they don't worship their version of fairy tails.
Don't remember any Muslims doing that either

>That is a fucking self-defense after decade of never ending invasion and occupation of Holy Land.
>Crusades
>defensive
lel, them baltic tribes were real invasive right

>them baltic tribes were real invasive right
I know you're trying to make a sarcastic joke, but yes the Baltic tribes are well known to have raided Poland's eastern border regularly. Poland asked for the Teutonic Order to come and put the Baltic pagans down.

Extensive cousin marriage as endorsed by Mohammedanism.

It was in force well before Islam