Why the fuck would any quantitatively inclined person do engineering instead of mathematical finance/accounting?

Why the fuck would any quantitatively inclined person do engineering instead of mathematical finance/accounting?

It's the same math but you make more. Engineers are being outsourced at record highs. You are basically a slave to some MBA that makes thrice what you do.

If you do finance/accounting, kill it, get into a decent position, then ace the GMAT and get an MBA you will make more than any engineer. And your work might even pay for the masters, deloitte does.

In engineering you make like 150k max... and that's for the top spots and google. That is the glass ceiling. That's a first year salary for someone in quantitative finance or corporate law.

Why are dorks so drawn to engineering? It is actually a terrible career unless you go into management, at which point you aren't an engineer anymore. If you're fine with being solidly upper middle class and never running the show, then fine, but if you aspire to do more, you will never do it with engineering. Our society rewards managers/administration than the people who design/build things. You either stay in that bottom rung or join them and boss around the other STEM nerds for 3 times their pay.

literally the best path if you are quantitatively inclined

>accounting major -> high gpa -> big 4 job -> 3 years of work -> kill GMAT -> get into good MBA program -> make 150k starting as a 'senior consultant'

this has infinitely more potential than being an engineer

I almost feel bad telling stemcucks this, I don't want to raise my competition

Meanwhile I make 150k as a software engineer straight out of my bachelor's.

Meanwhile I make 200k out of undergrad with an art history degree from an ivy league cause I'm not a sperg

>tfw accounting student but fucking hate it

Actually, let me rephrase I don't hate accounting so much as the other accounting students
They're mostly just nerds who aren't good at science and don't know anything but study study study

Yeah the STEM meme has been shilled so hard, that's it's not worth it.

It pays to avoid the sheep and be an opportunist.

I wouldn't do STEM at a non-top 20 school in the respective field. The current federal government has made it too easy to outsource work and the value in the field is the ability to make it in Silicon Valley or be a developer in technology that will drive the future.

Personally, I'm not the jolly "help humanity" while your employer screws you kind of guy, so I decided not to major in Electrical Engineering.

Opportunity today lies in thinking outside the box, and defaulting to the STEM meme at an average school is the exact opposite.

If you want to find success instead of chasing it, which often leads to undesired results, it's your job to use the low interest rate environment to establish a profitable venture.

Personally, I graduated 3 years back and work with my parents in order to save up money. I've started trading stocks with the capital I've accumulated by living with my parents and have been able to avoid the many failures that come with a corporate/wageslave job.

I got into buying up cheap property about a year ago and have put in ~$130K into 3 properties which net me ~$1700 a month at full capacity.

It took a lot of work & research to get into it but I love the direction my life is going, and I believe that I have a lot of options in the direction I go.

Traditional employment & education would not yield the same results.

The only debt I have right now is my student loan debt, which is ~$25K, and I've made minimum payments.

To all the people who are looking for direction, I suggest you save a lot early on and avoid the debt trap. Even if you decide to work in a corporate environment, you want to make sure that when you are in your 30s/40s, your free will is keeping you at your job and not the bills you need to pay.

I personally studied Economics and Mathematics, but havent used anything above calculus post-college.

> Do you know I built a bridge once?
> Sorry?
> A bridge.
> No, I didn't know that.
> I was an engineer by trade.
> Hmmm... hmmm
> It went from Dilles Bottom, Ohio to Moundsville, West Virginia. It spanned nine hundred and twelve feet above the Ohio River. Twelve thousand people used this thing a day. And it cut out thirty-five miles of driving each way between Wheeling and New Martinsville. That's a combined 847,000 miles of driving a day. Or 25,410,000 miles a month. And 304,920,000 miles a year. Saved. Now I completed that project in 1986, that's twenty-two years ago. So over the life of that one bridge, that's 6,708,240,000 miles that haven't had to be driven. At, what, let's say fifty miles an hour. So that's, what, 134,165,800 hours, or 559,020 days. So that one little bridge has saved the people of those communities a combined 1,531 years of their lives not wasted in a fucking car. One thousand five hundred and thirty-one years.

>caring about le science and le greater good while your boss profits off your work

epic

simply

epic

:^)

I realized this and left my engineering degree and moved to CS. Should I dump that too though?

>has never seen Margin Call
Wew lad.

If you're leaving engineering because you'll be used, then you should leave CS even more.

At least with engineering, you can earn an Professional Engineer designation that will greatly protect you again outsourcing. There is no such thing in software.

>If you're fine with being solidly upper middle class and never running the show, then fine, but if you aspire to do more,

Spoiler alert

(You won't go above upper middle class)

I wonder how many people will know where this is from.

Why the fuck would any quantitatively inclined person do engineering instead of medicine? Surgeons make $300k+ out of residency.

Why the fuck would any quantitatively inclined person do mathematical finance/accounting instead of medicine? Surgeons make $300k+ out of residency.

But let me say this, the current CEO of Raytheon has a phd in engineering, bachelor's and master's in electrical engineering as well as MBA (from Stanford I think).

I think the best thing to do is a combo: undergrad in engineering then MBA. It gives you more flexibility and a better understanding of the product.

After 8 years of school, 300k in debt, and 6 years of working 80 hour weeks for minimum wage.

300k in debt is an exaggeration. The dude that was the basis for the main character in The Big Short, did school at UCLA and was $145k in debt. Btw, I have a relative making $500k as a surgeon. Not in debt anymore lol

And I don't quite believe what you said is fact. I don't even know why you believe that's true. But hey, it's Veeky Forums.

Why do people feel like they need to make >100k salaries?

I take in 70k and it's more than enough to live well and retire by 45. With higher pay comes more shit you have to deal with and you come that much closer to anheroing and throwing it all away anyway. Once you're working over 50 hours a week year-round, its just not worth it.

I don't know either. I even knew someone working in engineering who got an MBA then worked in finance for a while, then got sick of it, went back to engineering.

Of course I also forgot to mention that how much you make depends on location, too (obviously). 100k in Palo Alto does not have the same buying power as 100k in Phoenix. But I get your point.

So you either worked after graduating or your parents handed you the money to buy those properties. You can't just walk into a bank, say "I want to start buying rental properties!", and expect them to give you any kind of loan unless you have money coming in from something else.

Margin Call was an entertaining movie, and would be completely dry and uninteresting to the average person.

>With higher pay comes more shit
I very seriously hope you don't actually think this.

Oh and OP, you're stupid. The degree you choose has no effect on your prospects in life if you're smart and driven. I majored in electrical engineering because it's interesting and fun (and, admittedly, because I wanted to work in renewables for a power company) but it's almost ineffectual in my path at this point. I could've taught myself everything I needed to know to develop the product I've made and start my business, regardless of schooling.

We'll see how it goes once I graduate this summer and actually start sales, though.

i'm an accountant gonna learn you some facts yo
fuck accounting
seriously
youre not gonna make it dude
i'll end your dream right here
just stop
industry's gone downhill
a lot of jobs but about 40 people apply for each one
you're don't have to social skills to make it
you don't have the dedication to make it
if you put the effort you have to put into becoming into an accountant into something you LOVED, you'd make it in that area
being chartered may sound cool but you're gonna go grey and be burnt out from all that adderall

You're pretty much right and even mainstream sources are starting to catch on. Engineering used to be better (especially as you could basically be sure you'd be at the same company all your life and they'd treat you well) but it changed some time around the 80s give or take a decade.

you couldn't handle big4 let alone get an interview

I've got to admit: OP is 100% right. I did the rounds in silicon valley for a while and it fucking sucks. The only people making a shit load in this industry are exactly the people OP describes: the founders of tech companies and the executives, who either managed to raise a shit load to pay neckbeard engineers to do all the real work while they got rich from it or: got in after funding with a 6 - 7 figure salary.

I would not recommend tech to anyone and this is coming from a guy who has already reached the pinnacle of success in this industry. I've been features in news articles, books, radio, TV shows, etc for my work and I'm still not worth jack shit. I crawled up to being a CTO with a 6 figure salary yet even after this achievement I still struggle to find work (yes, really.)

Being an engineer is like being cucked every day by women and Chads with less experience than even the most junior developer, only people in tech are so hopelessly delusional that they labor under the assumptions that its somehow worth it "got to change the world bro :^) we're doing something great" All the while they're being paid less than 6 figures to sell fucking ad space.

What's fucked up is that most engineers could be earning 7 figures if they spent all their autism points on mastering trading instead of becoming neckbeards who are experts in all the latest hipster shit. That is exactly what I intend to do for the next 1 - 3 years and if I lose all my money then so be it. At least I'll be taking a risk to better myself instead of being a cuck at another tech company. CTO or fucking not -- working in tech as an engineer sucks dick.

> I crawled up to being a CTO with a 6 figure salary
Holy shit you are retarded and have no idea what you are talking about. Most people start off with six figure salaries right out of college.

It depends on the company. CTOs at small startups don't earn that much more than engineers and I wasn't claiming to have been the CTO of a billion dollar company ...

Thanks for clarifying that, Pajeet.

That's my pleasure user. I'd hate to upset Veeky Forums in its infinite wisdom about business.

job?

>Most people start off with six figure salaries right out of college.

Damn straight. After completing my degree in mathematics, I got an offer for $300,000/year. I laughed and then sneered at that pathetic offer. Another company was much more in tune with what prevailing wages are and made me a solid initial offer. After a bit of negotiating, I accepted $485,000/year with 6 weeks paid vacation, 12 paid holidays, 10 days of sick leave, and the standard health and retirement benefits.

Sarcasm aside. Do you want to qualify that statement? Most technical majors do not start off making $100,000 or more even if they work in places like Silicon Valley.

>Most people start off with six figure salaries right out of college.

In what fucking world? Unless you are going to an Ivy League school and work your ass off you will not be making nowhere near six figures, and even if you are it's a big IF. I am applying for jobs in engineering and am struggling to get the salary my school promised Ill be making right out of school, which is like $60k.

Sup this.
Also the " Stem has to die / outsourcing will kill your job"-meme should die.
Time will tell, but in my industry there is simply nowhere you could outsource to.

Let me guess, you went to a no name state school, have a 3.0 GPA, and no internships under your belt.

He doesn't have one.

>working more than 40 hrs ever
>non casual dress code ever
>taking on increasingly larger responsibility and being held accountable for everything
>just so you can break six figures
jesus christ how sad
its like you can almost escape wagecuckery and just fall flat

You pick engineering over accounting/finance if you enjoy engineering, and you're kind of a spergy autist.

Plenty of little kids grow up with lego, meccano, minecraft, whatever, and quite enjoy building things. Building is their own little world, and that's where they prefer to be. In that case, engineering is very well suited to them, even if it's not the best money-wise.

Your career path suggestion is undoubtedly the best possible, but one slip up somewhere along the way - one bad exam which tanks your GPA, failure to get into big 4, cracking under the hours, bad GMAT, etc and you're kinda fucked.

Isn't it fucking hard to get a job in the finance industry?

Yeah I worked 60-80 hour weeks at 25-35/hr.

my sister did this and she's at deloitte rn starting pay 69k i think. wish i would have followed her footsteps.

Would it be better to get a BBA with a concentration in Finance or major in Accounting?

If you don't get your CPA are you fucked out of six figure accounting jobs? Is just an Accounting undergrad + MBA good enough?

Is engineering really not worth it?

I'm an IT guy in the army right now but I wanna go for Electrical Engineering in the fall when my 6 years are up.

I figure with tuition paid for I'll be spending at the most 10k in loans over 4 years. Plus my IT certs and top secret clearance I was hoping to land a good 80k starting job right out.

I study CS/SWE to build programs that will render you and your position obsolete.

I study engineering to build robots and machines that will render the low skilled labour force obsolete.\

I study engineering to make the world a better place. You study whatever you do to leach off of us.

Have a look at mechatronic engineering. Looks like a great/promising major depending on your college.

I'm thinking at getting some IT certs to get into Australian intelligence agencies.

But I thought Veeky Forums would be an instant red flag for top secret clearance. What's your experience with it? Also can you recommend any good certs? I was looking at CEH for starters. Mainly because it looks like a lot of fun. And it covers a lot of things i'm already interested in learning to improve my programming. Like sql injections pen testing etc.

Veeky Forums is actually better for you than say reddit when it comes to clearances. The basic jist of a clearance is 1)do you have anything that can be used as blackmail 2) do you have any foriegn connections

Basically, since Veeky Forums is anonymous and deletes itself its alit better that I post my cuck porn here than reddit.

1)do you have anything that can be used as blackmail

Wow, that was a great insight. Makes a lot of sense and explains a lot of questions I had. I think most of the soviet era leaks were from blackmail, weren't they.

The worst thing I can think of is I've fucked a few prostitutes.. I don't know if it's blackmail though because I wouldn't care if people found out. I even go to the brothel with mates sometimes.

>Basically, since Veeky Forums is anonymous and deletes itself its alit better that I post my cuck porn here than reddit.

You see, that to me is ridiculous. I don't see how Intelligence agencies with their big budgets wouldn't be logging everything on here.

But about engineering, I'd recommend mechatronics because the advances in robotics and AI's over the last few years have been astounding. You could be involved with some stuff that will change the future.

>implying you can't become a senior consultant as an engineer

dumb thread. engineer can do everything your dumb finance degree can do career wise, and has the potential to accomplish meaningful work that advances humanity, instead of just shifting shekels around.

Graduated in 2012, biomedical engineering. Will make over $200k this year. Pic related it's my bonus.

>biomed engineering
>anything over 50k
Nice meme degree

Wait what position in Deloitte I'm a senior clientele manager and i get 160K/y

Tell me, how would you describe "most people"

>will make over $200k
>$100k of which is a bonus

ehh

What sort of jobs are there in that field?

Meanwhile I make 300 kilos of salt a year with my bachelor's in medieval history because didn't fall for the stem meme.

I got a degree in mechanical engineering, and I have used the knowledge I've gained and the character I've developed to start a business. I'm profiting about $21,000 a month and growing rapidly. I graduated less than a year ago. If I did not study engineering, I wouldn't be able to do what I'm doing. I don't care about proving it to you faggots. Yes, I'm an outlier.

Engineering gives people the power to use technology to better their lives, and that's exactly what I've done. You can study business or whatever and learn how to...lead? Or something? But you depend on the actually intelligent people to do the work, and what happens when those intelligent people know how to lead?

Go ahead and be a "senior consultant" while you still have a boss up your dick, and subordinates who know exactly how clueless you are. Or learn about how the world works so intricately that you can literally mold it to do exactly what you want. You don't need a degree to lead people, but you do need to study to be able to develop and operate technology that can better the world, and more importantly, yourself.

>He wants to help humanity in the long term.
That ship sailed a long time ago, know why it's called generation z? because it'll be the last generation before a world ending catastrophe caused by the hubris of man.

whats your biz

>Ctrl + F "Cock"

Cool cock mohammed

op BTFO

Manufacturing

>le helping the world
So glad I didn't for this meme

manufacturing what?

Fucking this so much. I plan on doing engineering as a mature age next year (23 year old fag, 24 next year)

This is exactly my world view. I plan only to work for myself. I obviously have a plan but not going to embarrass myself on here.

These were exactly my thoughts.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
>mfw you genuinely believe that

Yeah sure, if you went to MIT and land your Google job. It's so rare you codemonkeys get that far with how saturated your meme major is.

yeah accounting is extreme wagecuck mode. literally no reward unless you got some serious hustle.

but most people that do accounting did it cause they didn't know what they wanted out of life.

basically end your life mode

You fucking idiot. I'm going for software engineering and after talking to several business owners in the area, you'd start off not even at 6 figures.

Because an engineer (or at least some types of) actually create value and products and look to improve the world instead of just turning numbers into bigger numbers using "financial engineering".

I puke in my mouth every time I get an offer for a management buyout deal where the plan is not to realize growth but to leverage to the maximum of free cash flow and use the company as a cash cow.

It's not all about making a little bit more money. A real engineer pursues his field because he wants to improve the world around him.

150k max is complete bullshit by the way. No one forces you to become a wage slave. The sky is the limit regardless of your degree.

So right now I'm in CS with a minor in business. I plan on getting my MBA. Is it worth it? I'm a third year student with less than a year to go before getting my bachelors.

Didn't see this post before I posted mine a few mins ago. Totally agree.

If you only want to turn numbers into bigger numbers and drive a slightly better specced ferrari, sure go ahead and study accounting/finance/business.

If you actually want to create value, go study engineering or simply don't study fuck all in university and start your own business. You can always pick up on a few executive programs that match your field at a later time.

This is exactly what I plan and want to do. I want to get out in the market and kick ass. Because in the kind of person that would work 20 hours a day if it meant I'd be making fortunes. But the thing I'm having trouble with is not being able to find a niche to exploit.

You can literally do anything with any degree. It's not impossible to get better at your own niche than any engineer who just graduated.

If you enjoy university and it's the best way to learn for you personally, go finish that engineering degree. It will give you a nice headstart and provide you with broad knowledge which should allow you to pick a niche.

After that, it's all about becoming THE expert in that niche, creating your own product(s) and creating demand for it.

I went into CS because you make six figures right off the bat when you leave college and you can work sane 40 hour work weeks

Pretty sure everyone who went the finance route went invesment banking 2 years -> MBA -> then another 5 years of dicksucking and 100 hour work weeks to get continuously promoted

Meanwhile if you make it into a big four of tech you can get up to 200k compensation within 5 years and if you aren't retarded you'll have a good nest egg of investments by the age of 30


HOWEVER people who actually do make it to the top of business will make substantially more than anyone who did engineering but it's not worth the 20 years of dick sucking and 100 hour work weeks

That makes a lot of sense when you put it like that. thanks!

Because I wanted to create things instead of just circlejerk and piles of money! Money can't buy happiness!

Oh course, then I got a job in engineering and found out that it is mostly looking at tables of numbers detailing the specification of screws and nails to find the cheapest one that is good enough to probably not get anyone killed, not designing things. I sure would have liked to be masturbating and crying about my unfulfilled life while lying on a pile of money right about now instead of just masturbating and crying.

Ausfag here, Check seek.com.au theres tones of SW related jobs that net over 100k

Everything is a meme on 4 chan.

So all degree are shit now? I should be a welder instead?

Literally that is Veeky Forums.

Something isn't right here....

100k ausbux

i love the way 100k is thrown about here

double the american median household income
with 100k income you can retire by 40

That really depends on your lifestyle.

If your lifestyle is being homeless and eating stuff from garbage cans you can retire at the age of 16 regardless of your income.

Degrees aren't shit. Degrees open doors for people who aren't good at selling themselves and help you figure out what you're good at and/or provides you with broad, basic level knowledge about the field you studied.

On the other hand it isn't some golden ticket that will land you "300k a year jobs" guaranteed.

It really depends on the type of person you are. I personally learned 10x as much during my now 7 years long career than I ever did during my bachelor-master-mba trajectory.

I'm a math (focused on the applied stuff, numerical analysis, PDEs, modelling) undergrad shitter and I really have a hard time picking what career I want to pursue.

Lol that is a legitimate rate

Here in France anybody with a proper engineering degree can replace some faggot with a business one. The business schools are even doing partnerships with engineering schools to deliver double degrees.


Why do Americucks hate engineers while they actually produce real things and contribute to real progress, contrary to MBA fags ?

Not that guy. I got a CS degree from a decent school and make more than my friends in engineering and a few of them haven't even gotten jobs yet (lucky for them their parents are loaded). Make 70k plus benefits in Texas and have $100k saved up after 3 years. Of course, I'm still being used, but I also get a bunch of vacation and flexible hours so that's a plus. There's also nothing stopping me from getting a MBA or better yet a PMP and entering management.

lolno

Unless you went to MIT, you're probably making around $40-70k. At bigger companies or silicon valley you're making more, but prepare to pay 2k a month rent or have a 2 hour commute unless you're lucky enough to live there.

>Why do Americucks hate engineers while they actually produce real things and contribute to real progress, contrary to MBA fags ?
let be real, 90%+ of engineers are doing boring officework that does not provide any real value to anyone except the company they are employed by. i guess that makes them marginally more useful than MBA guys, but not by much.

Found the business major. You have no idea what you don't know.

>be me
>have 3 years work experience in IT
>710 GMAT
>want MBA

where do i go? where do i go? full/part time?

>tfw when you're not at all quantitatively inclined and best skills are writing and humanities

So much for being rich...

UMichigan

Full time is the best unless you already are running your own company. The connections are everything.

How hard is accounting? It's not something the Everyman can do right?