Is national socialism,the only branch of socialism that has ever worked?

All the other branches of socialism have been an utter failure,and social democracies are falling apart little by little and have had massive capitalist reforms,due their inability to really work(Sweden in 90s and current Southern Europe). Most "Social democracies" in Europe are ultracapitalistic and have nothing of socialism ,as welfare is not socialism.

>occupation: poland/france
every time

yes, though you are referring to "Prussian Socialism"

>A system which has worked for decades is a failure cause it shows signs of stress
>A system that "worked" for a decade whose militarization lead to a destructive war which fucked own country and various others suceeded
>Not a nazi btw!

>A system which has worked for decades is a failure cause it shows signs of stress
It worked that long because Sweden wasnt affected in WW2. Social democracies have always ended up in failures and were forced to liberalize at the end. Current social democracies are mostly capitalistic except in the south of Europe,which is something that is changing,as they have failed

We all know why you made this thread.

To discuss socialism. I just want to know if it has ever worked. It seems that National socialism was the only time when it gave good results

It didn't even work well, it wound up being hugely inefficient and hilariously corrupt.

The main asset of Germany's economy from 1934 to 1945 was war industry, and not much more. The only way this system the Nazis created could keep itself from collapsing were constant conquests and military campaigns, and we all know how that ended.

>worked
It didn't.

>welfare is not socialism
It's related. Dunno why you say Social Democracies are ultra-capitalistic. What does that make the USA?

It didn't really work, though. The socialist sect of the Nazi party was purged on the Night of Long Knives. Ernst Röhm's "second revolution", the SA's classless society, and the entire Strasser sect of the party including Gregor Strasser himself were removed by Hitler.

>hitlers socialism lasts 8 years
>successful
>stalins socialism lasts 40 years
>failure
Make your mind pls

Socialism isn't classlessness.
They were still socialists, whether or not they had class.

Capitalism is economically responsible people being rewarded;
socialism is socially responsible people being rewarded.
The reason why Hitler's socialism was so successful, was because it rewarded both economically and socially responsible people; it self-funded its own version of socialism that was economically viable.

But it wasn't the militarization that made the economy so great.

It's like in pre-modern times when people were farming and bartering. A farmer realized he could use his crops and livestock as assets, and not trade them, to create a debt-anxiety, so people would give him more stuff; this resulted in the farmer trading for better tools, and being able to live luxuriously for a farmer. By creating debt-anxiety, it forced people to work longer, which resulted in progress. You can't get progress without sacrifice.

Capitalistic

Are you saying the USA government intervenes less in the economy than the governments of European Social Democracies?

Hmmmmm.
Nazism was such a spectacular success, seeing that it lasted 12 years, capitalists and Communists banded together to crush it and AH shot himself rather than face the Red Army.

Socialism still exists in variant form worldwide.

>Socialism isn't classlessness.

That's not the point, the only reason socialism in Nazi Germany didn't die on the vein was because Hitler removed the main proponents of it. And the initial success of the blitzkrieg economy didn't last long anyway.

No

>debt-anxiety forces people to work longer, resulting in progress
Sounds like something a Jewish banker would say desu.

I have tried explaining this to many of my friends, that I think socialism works very well, but only combined with nationalism.

Without it the system is very prone to abuse and nationalism helps counter one of the main criticisms of socialism, which is that people lose their incentive to work hard and that they won't want to work

Religion could also be a great incentive to socialism. But currently I dont see it viable,at least in Europe

I think religion can play a big part in nationalism and help as an incentive, but you still need strong religious identity, which is becoming increasingly weaker.

The best example of religion and nationalism working well together is the orthodox church in Russia, which is a big part of Russian identity even though not all may believe in the church that intensely, the culture is there, and Putin often wears an Orthodox cross