In the early modern period many Irishmen and women fled to Spain as a result of political and military turmoil in their...

>In the early modern period many Irishmen and women fled to Spain as a result of political and military turmoil in their homeland. The belief that the Gaelic Irish were descended from Míl Espáine and his Spanish followers was current in Spain as well as Ireland, and as a result the Irish in Spain were given all the rights and privileges due to Spanish subjects. In 1680 King Charles II of Spain issued a decree stating that "the Irish in Spain have always enjoyed the same privileges as Spaniards. This has always been the practice and is actually so today."[17] King Philip V of Spain issued decrees in 1701 and 1718 confirming these rights, stating that the Irish were to be treated as native Spaniards. In 1791, in response to fears about the French Revolution, royal orders were given to create registers of all foreigners then in Spain and to extract an oath of allegiance from them. Three Irish natives living in Cadiz agreed to sign the register, but refused to take the oath which Spaniards were not required to take. The three appealed to the Royal Council in Madrid, who decreed (having consulted the attorney-general) that "the taking of the oath, to which all foreigners have been directed to submit, shall not be extracted from the Irish, seeing that by the sole fact of their settling in Spain the Irish are regarded as Spaniards and have the same rights."[17] King Charles IV of Spain issued a decree in 1792 confirming this decision by his council.[18]

What's the connection between the Irish and the Spanish? I know the Spanish attempted to help the Irish at some point in the 1500s. How are Spanish-Irish relations today?

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>What's the connection between the Irish and the Spanish?
My guess would be the whole Catholic thing and not being British

>Catholic
>Celtiberians, theories about where the Irish came from
>Dislike for England
>proximity (Spain and Portugal were the closest Catholic nations - discluding secular France - to Ireland)

>What's the connection between the Irish and the Spanish?
Irish mythology claims that the Irish came from Galicia, which is what the Míl Espáine thing is referring to. Around the same time of the reformation Spain was at odds with England and positioning themselves as the defender of Catholics. The Irish were under the thumb of the English yet remained staunchly Catholic. They sought aid on the continent and Spain provided it. After the Gaelic lords failed in their rebellion they were given political asylum in Spain and were welcomed by the kings and nobility. Many became Spanish nobles in their own right, often owning estates in the new world. IIRC the current chieftain of the O'Neills is a lord somewhere in the hispanic Caribbean. Over the next century and a half Irish rebels, young men and second sons often went to serve in continental armies, Spain and France being the most popular

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

>How are Spanish-Irish relations today?
As good as those between any two European nations. Irish people are very fond of Spaniards and I think they are fond of us too. On the other hand Irish people are also supportive of independence for Catalonia and Basqueland.

Some of Ireland's natural flora is only found in the Iberian peninsula and there seems to be this Lusitanian connection for some time. There is also definite contact between Beaker and megalithic cultures between the two regions. If there is such a connection in the post glacial and prehistoric period then it shouldn't be too surprising to see later connections based on religion, ideology, nationalism and politics

Also the Irish were the only foreigners that could join the Spanish tercios,not even Napolitans could, and one of Spain's most important presidents in the XIX had Irosh origin.

In Spain we always liked the Irish although I think it's not the same on the other side, the Irish nationalism seems closer to the independentist movements in Spain than to the Spanish state and the natural loathsome and condescendence that Brits seem to have towards Spaniards has probably influenced their views in many ways.

No, Irish people like the Spanish. We do support independence movements but that's just politics.

Nationwide project to outline the origin of the Irish pointed towards northern Iberia and even the old annals record that waves of Spaniards certainly came to Ireland.

Spain was one of the few foreign nations to support Irish independence.

Galway City was the last port of call before the new world for Spanish ships and became a successful merchant city. Christopher Columbus spent his last night before embarking on finding a trade route to asia in Galway's cathedral praying or so they say.
Galway still has a Latin quarter to this day.

Many Irish Lords fled to Spain where they became successful generals.
It was common too that after losing a battle against the english, Irish soldiers fighting alongside French or Spanish troops would be given the choice of execution or leaving with the them to the continent. Choice was obvious for many.

Pretty sure there's a well known winery in Spain called O'Brien's

More recently many Irish traveled to Spain as volunteers to fight against Franco

Many more Irish traveled to Spain to fight FOR Franco than against Franco.

I'm pretty sure it was one fucking group from Eoin O'Duffy's blueshirts and they were dismissed only after a month of combat

>Irishmen
>supporting the murder of Catholic priests
No, more came to support Franco.

>Blueshirts
>Irish
They're West Brits though.

Only left wing Sinn Fein faggots support Basquefags

The Republic was completely overtaken by the Communists anyway.

As a Catalan in no way I would support Franco, but seriously it astonishes me how delusional is people in regards of the "Republican" side, here in Catalonia during the Civil War we had constant clashes between anarchists and communists and brutal purges between communists themselves, the PSUC basically purging all the POUM and "disappearing" Andreu Nin and the other leaders of the party. We had fucking Soviet comissars all around the Republican controlled Spain, no, seriously, actual Russian people send by the USSR to "help" ie: organize the chekas, the purges and massacres like Paracuellos. It's incredibly frustrating to see how many bleeding-heart fools seem to think that Spain would have had a democratic Republic once again if this people had won the war. Republicans weren't "the good boys", the Fascists weren't "the good boys", all of them were scum. But seriously, maybe Franco just won for the best, can you imagine being invaded by the Nazis after this brutal civil war?

The only real Irish fascist party was Ailtirí na hAiséirghe.

I only support Franco because he isn't killing innocent preachers.
Also isn't Catalina a shithole?
t.American

>Upon his exile, Patrick Sarsfield received a commission as lieutenant-general (maréchal-de-camp) from the King of France, Louis XIV and fought with distinction in Flanders until he was mortally wounded at the Battle of Landen just three years later on 19 August 1693. He died two or three days after the battle, at Huy, Belgium, where he is buried in the grounds of St Martin's Church. A plaque on the wall of this church marks the approximate location of his grave. He was quoted as watching his lifeblood ebbing away, and saying "Oh, if only this were for Ireland".
IT'S NOT FAIR

>Also isn't Catalina a shithole?
Everything is a shithole.

Everything? Is it Detroit the, what the hell do you call your version of our states again?

Pre-Celtic settlers of Ireland (and Britain) were apparently from the Basque country.

How much do you wanna bet the "Irish" ITT are really yanks roleplaying

Even our shitiest parts don't come close to detroit or any other of USA failed cities. At worst we have Almeria or Extremadura, than are quite nice if poor.

Hordes of Spanish teenagers come to Ireland Ireland every Summer to learn English. They all seem to enjoy themselves while they're here. They can be a bit annoying when they colonise the upper deck of buses or get in people's way in the street but the Irish are too polite to say anything.

>but the Irish are too efeminate and cucked to say anything.

Are you american be any chances? Being educated and efeminate aren't the same.
The worst thing about my countrymen are how loud they are, they don't understand than in the rest of the world people doesn't shout all the time.

There are various political reasons for recent exchanges. I know more about ancient history.

Proto-celts settled and took over the population genetics of most of western Europe. This has been associated with the R1b haplogroup and bell beaker culture. Particular strains of R1b can be found all along the Atlantic coast, particularly R1b-L21. This genetic signature is found very concentrated in Ireland and the UK in general, possibly due to the bottleneck effect. In Spain and elsewhere on continental Europe I believe they were further diluted by subsequent migrations throughout history, but that original lineage still remains.

Of course this doesn't explain everything but looking back at ancient history there does seem to be some relations between the ancient history of Basques, and other western European populations, possible cultural artifacts and affinities that remained throughout the centuries. Also, they're both Catholic so that doesn't hurt.

This?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopoldo_O'Donnell,_1st_Duke_of_Tetuan

Yes. He was a general and the president of one of the few peaceful periods of the XIX century. He was descendant from one of the old Irish clan leaders

>How are Spanish-Irish relations today?

not particularly notable, in Ireland we don't have a lot of personal association with other Nations. The ones we do have dealings with are the Americans, Brits and Palestinians

the Spanish are neat though

Just your typical eternal anglo playing the name game

Spaniards were mad about the Anglo-Portuguese alliance so they did the same with Ireland

In the early modern period Spain was the defender of Catholicism and, for a time, the strongest european power. It was natural for the irish to seek help since they were catholics oppressed by protestants.

Nowadays there's not a lot of relationship. Spanish kids go to Ireland to learn english and spanish girls to be aupairs. Some edgy independentists like IRA, but not even most of them. I won't be surprized if a lot of spaniards don't know a single difference between Ireland or the UK.

fgd

>What's the connection between the Irish and the Spanish?
Rome

I don't

Why do people get so butthurt over dead clergy in every war/revolution ever.

Satanist pls go

;___;

A few routed vessels from the Armada ended up on washing up around Kerry and never came back to Spain. Either they settled or were murdered for their gold and weapons, can't be sure which.