be 23

>tfw born with great skin, rarely get acne and when I do it's only 1 or 2 barely noticeable zits
>tfw I have a weird shaped head and a shit jawline

Why couldn't I just be Chad

nigga you need crispr

>tfw square face and defined jawline along with pretty big cheekbones
>tfw acne all over my face

oh well, at least some girls are interested in me

>> healthy diet (I'm from Veeky Forums)
lol

shitskins gtfo

>girly (soft smooth and somehow REALLY stretchy) skin
>forehead is a dry landmine-infested field of misery and anguish

You need to ask for something different from your dermatologist then. You haven't tried everything.

Have you ever tried antibiotics or any other medications besides accutane? Or even topical retinoids or acids? A lot of people have had amazing results with tretinoin but you have to be patient and consistent.

Also, what products are you using on your face?

What moisturizer are you using? Accutane wont save you if you keep using shit that clogs your pores.

>Steamed vegetables, meat, herbs and water
Try that as a diet for a week or two OP.
Generally eating like that, along with fewer calories works for me. It's as if eating lots of Carbs and processed Sugar causes inflammation in my skin.
I can gorge on plants, meat and butter with no bad side effects. Make sure you cut out milk too.

Some people just have shitty genetics. I have had like 5 or 6 Accutane courses and it still didn't cure my scalp acne. Nothing has helped except dairy and gluten free diet. You might want to try that, OP.

this
Try going vegan. Did wonders for me and I had tried a bunch of different stuff, including the regimen you're currently doing.

I somewhat second this. I've been using witch hazel for about a month now and my skin is definitely doing better than before. No drastic change, but I do notice myself getting less whiteheads and generally smoother skin.

On this now and I hope it works.
I really, really need to lose my fucking v-card.

Try Clindoxyl, saved my life

This.

I recommend pic related. But only if you have oily skin that is.

Stop eating dairy, gluten, and anything with any form of sugar. wait 3-4 months before results to emerge.

>anything with any form of sugar
so.. no fruit then?
an apple has half the sugar of a can of soda

how many scoops of whey a day, OP?

are you natty or not?

Please see Global Rules

Some fruits are okay. Just don't go crazy with them. Avoid high sugar fruits like like tropical fruits. Go with sour apples and shit but only like one a day.

Don't listen to the antisugar nuts
>get dishwashing sponge
>Soak it with w water and shower gel that says face
>Scrub the hell out of your face
>Repeat every day

Try not sleeping on the side of your face

thanks

>Scrub the hell out of your face

Don't do that

stop dairy and check ur environment for toxins.

Acne is often an inflammatory response if your body encounters an environment it cannot process very well. For example, my brother had acne like that, turns out we were living in black mold for the last 10 years and he has genetic propensity to be heavily affected by mold.

He got on bentonite clay, which is literally clay, u can get it on amazon. Two or three weeks of it really helped his acne. It's almost gome now.

First thing you gotta realise is: this subject is full of memes and pseudoscience.

1) Ignore diet tips; none of these people are dietitions. Furthermore academics in nutrition is a mess, since you arguably need clinical trials to even come close to a conclusion. You can't find these trials though.
2) Don't be too intensive on your skin. Just because you take measures to clean yourself, doesn't mean you "clean" yourself. For example if you take hot showers daily you will open up all your pores. Your skin contains microbes; your skin flora. This flora is important because it also protects you from infections. If you are very intensive on your skin with scrubbing or rough with the towels after showering you will probably disrupt your skin flora. If you skin flora gets washed out you leave room for more harmful microbes from outside; causing infections.
3) Acne can just be a result of hormones. Most of the time there is little what you can do. Just don't exacerbate. Eventually it will most likely go away and this takes time, unfortunately. Just don't fuck it up and have scars instead of acne.

Buckle up.

>healthy diet (I'm from Veeky Forums)
I would recommend more human diet. Vary your protein sources and vegetables. Avoid milk duh. It's like the first thing to do for acne. Just take calcium supplement.
You also need a lot of vegetables, like 5 servings.

Isotretinoin
i have terrible acne - now i have clan skin (and pockmarks on back)

If I had a big acne problem and wanted some pussy/head I would literally wear a ski mask to a club walking around being a complete meme and trying to pick up /r/streetwear girls.

Godspeed Veeky Forumsggot

Isotretinoin THE ONLY WAY TO COMPLETLY CURE ACNE 8 months of therapy

Isotretinoin is not a cure fur acne

Yep. Go talk w/ a dermatologist not a buncha anons

Wow, people just want to talk with anons in internet. Why so bitter?

anyone else have rosacea?

doxycycline most likely won't work if you've already tried accutane. it is a weak drug.

Not bitter but if he has a medical condition he should probably talk to a medical doctor.

stop masturbating and watching porn

JUST MAYBE

dirty thoughts = dirty skin

This tbqh, Veeky Forumsm

>finally got rid of acne
>already have wrinkles
Why I never had a chance to look good?

You just told OP to ignore diet tips (which is valid advice) called the subject matter full of memes and pseudoscience and proceeds to tell him hot water will open pores which is 100% false.

I say that because the first piece of advice everyone gives you is "no soda, oily/fried foods. no sugar, blah blah blah" but I've already been eating like that for a long time.

will try. I do have oily skin. sometimes it's flakey though, which I would expect of dry skin

I'm an Asian with probably paler skin than you

natty here captain. one of the reasons i'd never roid is because I'm so fucking acne prone while natty.

I've tried that but I literally can't fall asleep on my back

How to check for mold? Also already tried the bentonite clay: see aztec clay in OP.

Diet doesn't matter because I have an impeccable diet for Veeky Forums reasons anyway. I tried to do cold showers but that shit was too raw so I ended up doing room temperature showers. My dad is 55 and he still has bad skin from acne when he was young.

2 servings of lentils, 4 servings of broccoli, 400g of sweet potato everyday. 2 servings of pasta sauce. Thanks for but no thanks. Like I said already, I eat very clean.

I said I tried accutane for 2 rounds already. Learn to read

I've been on accutane TWICE. The doctors have emphasized many times over that accutane is a last resort. And I still have acne after using a LAST RESORT, TWICE. What can they do for me?

Did no fap for the past 3 weeks but it actually got slightly worse.

oh shit

OP, I had terrible acne in high school, just buy this and use it on your face whenever you shower you should see results in a month

Also use this after you shower, it's a retarded process and here's the steps, 1.Dry everything off minus your face
2.Put at most 3 drops of the emulsion on your hand
3.Dry your face within 3 seconds
4.Apply the emulsion IMMEDIATELY
5.Let it dry and that's it

Spironolactone

I had bad acne, tried a bunch of different shit, Benzoyl Peroxide fucked my complexion up even with heavy moisturizer. I finally figured shit out in my early 20s, although it was probably a combination of my routine and hormones balancing out. If I don't do these things though I will break out. Posting my routine in case it helps.

2x daily:
-Wash face with C&C BP face wash
-Apply Paula's Choice 2% Extra-Strength salycylic acid
-Moisturize with C&C acne control moisturizer

Spot treat with 5% BP. Sleep on clean pillow cases or t-shirts only, like don't sleep on the same side more than once. Obviously diet, exercise, and certain supplements (zinc, apple cider vinegar) help also. Good luck OP

Nope. You are so wrong it's embarrassing. I'm in a good mood so hear me out.

This is what I said for people who can't read:
- Ignore diet tips from people who are not dietitians. (Also learn what clinical trials are and while you are at it: what makes you think you don't need one in nutrition?) In the end nutrition is chemistry, that's a lot of black box models. So yeah if you read "muh chocolate causes pimpels xdd" you are dealing with pseudoscience. There has been no trial which confirms this.

>which is 100% false
Oh you convinced me, you just told it's false! Guess no arguing there huh!

Maybe you should follow a little microbiology course. I'm pretty sure this is a standard practical exercise. Place your finger in a petridish. Run the tap with warm water and put your finger under it. Place the finger in the petridish. Imagine which spot is bigger the next day?

Sounds wise.

I'm assuming you live in the US.
Have you ever tried N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC)?
It's available in Sprouts and similar stores, as well as on Amazon.

If I was in your situation I would take 500-1200 mg/day for a couple of weeks, but only after reading up properly about the potential allergic reactions & side-effects, and starting small (

Food absolutely has effects on your skin health you nut. Maybe not chocolate and excessive sugar, but fatty food and things rich in antioxidants, vitamin c and e do effect the health of your skin.

Pores don't expand of contract, they can get clogged with after sweating, with oil, dead skin, and more. Hot water will help wash it away but they don't open or close.

...

This man is correct. My speciality is not derm, but what he said is pretty much in line with current medical knowledge. When in doubt consult a google scholar or pubmed database.

Jesus fucking christ

Food does affect your skin health but common acne is not a diet related problem. You cannot treat a hormone related infection by modifying the diet, when hormonal spikes are caused by puberty.

You can get tretinoin off ebay for about 12 dollars a tube. It'll be shipped from india, but it's good shit.

I haven't had a zit in over 2 years, except on the inside of my nose.

Multiple studies, meta-studies, and systematic reviews written by various doctors on the topic of [diet->acne?] can be found in the skincare sticky.

Please do expand, and preferably beyond ". . ."

Nice dubs. What about my post did you find particularly offensive?

LMAO CAN YOU PLEASE START READING? IM NOT SAYING FOOD DOESN'T HAVE AN EFFECT. HOWEVER WHAT FOOD IS BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR SKIN AND WHAT IS DETRIMENTAL IS NOT A CLEAR CASE SINCE THERE IS ONLY LOOSE CORRELATION AND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
I bet you don't even know what an antioxidant is why it works and what it's major purpose is in our body.

>don't expand or contract
Of course they don't. I haven't even made that claim
A pore covered in in dead skincells, your own natural fats/oils is a "closed"pore. It's covered. They "open" when you use a soap and hot water by removing these fats/oils, skincells.

But my bad! I should've known you are 18 and I should've spoonfed you everything without assuming some basic knowledge! Thanks for opening my eyes!

Wasn't there something about spearmint supplements being able to suppress the specific acne around the jawline?

You're a bit insane.

Yeah, but I heard it's mostly for females. Anecdotally, it doesn't help my acne as a male.

>WHAT FOOD IS BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR SKIN AND WHAT IS DETRIMENTAL IS NOT A CLEAR CASE SINCE THERE IS ONLY LOOSE CORRELATION AND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE

Please see the studies on this linked in the skincare FAQ. They seem to disagree with the above statement.

pastebin.com/PArDyf2G

Not an argument.

My point stands.

>Nice dubs. What about my post did you find particularly offensive?

I find both using a tripcode and spewing bullshit ofensive. Please provide a peer reviewed study about NAC preventing acne.

>trips

blood for the blood god

Dude seriously, see a shrink. You sound mentally unstable.

Yes, accutane is a last resort because of the side effects. Did they not try other treatments before putting you on accutane? You want to ask them to give you other options.

Another possibility is it could be a fungal issue. You could try applying anti-fungal cream to your face to see if that helps at all. You would see results fairly swiftly if it is fungal so it's worth a shot just to narrow down what the underlying issue is.

"Effects of Oral Antioxidants on Lesion Counts Associated with Oxidative Stress and Inflammation in Patients with Papulopustular Acne"

>Administration of N-Acetylcysteine caused an elevation in serum GSH by two folds (205%), and decreased MDA and IL-8 by 38.8% and 72% respectively after using for eight weeks, and caused a reduction in the total count of inflammatory lesions, the percentage of reduction was 50%, which was statistically significant.

>N-Acetylcysteine (NAC), has been studied and utilized as a source of cysteine, which is a precursor in the synthesis of reduced Glutathione (GSH) and as a direct free radical scavenger that protects cells from oxidant damage.

omicsonline.org/effects-of-oral-antioxidants-on-lesion-counts-associated-with-oxidative-stress-and-inflammation-in-patients-with-papulopustular-acne-2155-9554.1000163.php?aid=10078 [full study]

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As for the very likely mechanisms, see:

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1. "Biochemical Markers of Oxidative and Nitrosative Stress in Acne Vulgaris: Correlation With Disease Activity"

>Our results clearly show significant increases in oxidative/nitrosative stress in acne patients, suggesting there is an imbalance between RONS production and antioxidant defense mechanisms in acne vulgaris.

>These findings support an association between oxidative/nitrosative stress and acne.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcla.21560/full

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2. "Oxidative Stress in Patients With Acne Vulgaris"

>These findings clearly indicate that oxidative stress exists in the acne and may play an important role in its pathogenesis. [...] Antioxidant oral supplementation or topical application may be an effective approach in improving the efficacy or avoiding the potentially damaging effects of the therapeutical agents

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1533901/

3. "The activity of adenosine deaminase and oxidative stress biomarkers in scraping samples of acne lesions"

>These findings clearly indicate that oxidative stress exists in the formation or exacerbation of acne. [...] We believe that oxidative stress increases in parallel with the disease severity, hence antioxidant therapy may be beneficial if given in addition to the routine treatment of severe acne.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23174057

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It's not exactly controversial stuff to anyone who is read up on acne pathogenesis.

>I'm an Asian
That explains it. There is no cure for Asian acne

Did you have acne? Did you have success with N-Acetylcysteine?

>2 servings of lentils, 4 servings of broccoli, 400g of sweet potato everyday. 2 servings of pasta sauce
I don't get how you can call this a healthy diet. Eat like a normal human being please.

This is scaring me cuz I'm on my first month of Accutane and it's working but I'm scared it will just come back even after all these side effects

Are you using a chemical exfoliant? Pic related totally cleared my face up. Look into a quality AHA & BHA

citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.388.4968&rep=rep1&type=pdf
starts out confirming no causal relation between diet and acne. It's result is correlation not causation. It ends with: "It should be mentioned that it would not be completely correct to extrapolate information from specialized world literature on the effect of dairy products upon the risk of acne occurrence and development to the general population of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
Holy fuck this was poorly written, we go from introduction to references. Is it one big introduction?. Published where (WASJ? some eurasian journal?)? How many citations? Published in 2013 which is recent (yes this does matter, has not been subjected to the lindy effect)

medicaljournals.se/acta/content/abstract/10.2340/00015555-1358
Although there are no randomized controlled clinical studies investigating the impact of milk and dairy products on sebaceous gland signal transduction, epidemiological data and recent biochemical concepts strongly support the acne-promoting effect of milk consumption.
Who put together this list? It's all in favour of my point of view. All in all this article doesn't even tell me what they did to come to said conclusions. I guess I have to go through all the references?

ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/1/107.full.pdf
Conclusion: The improvement in acne and insulin sensitivity after a low-glycemic-load diet suggests that nutrition-related lifestyle factors may play a role in the pathogenesis of acne. However, further studies are needed to isolate the independent effects of weight loss and dietary intervention and to further elucidate the underlying pathophysiologic mechanisms.
We're not there yet boys!

However, we found no significant effect of time on acne, possibly because acne is a dynamic condition in which both spontaneous improvements and flares can occur over time.
Uh oh.

A few limitations of the study should be addressed. First, it is possible that the topical application of the mild skin cleanser may have contributed to the acne improvement through effects on the epidermal barrier function (39)
HMMMM

Only cited once that's not great, hasn't been publicated in any major journal it seems. No wonder because they basically tell us there needs to be more studying done.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-4632.2009.04002.x/pdf
Conclusions:
Evidence suggests that components of Western diets, particularly dairy products, may be associated with acne.
What? Another correlation and no causation?
This is a review of a bunch of articles btw. I mean I can't do much with this one. If you have intellectual integrity you should definitely remove this from your list on the sticky.

zentrum-der-gesundheit.de/pdf/akne_16.pdf
Pretty inconclusive. You seem to misunderstand. There's no doubt diet is linked to acne or other conditions of the human body in certain ways. However, to show a causal link is extremely difficult in nutrition. Ideally you want to delimit, but this is nearly impossible in food. So the only logical conclusion as of now would be to suspend judgement.

Some articles/publications/reviews I could not open.

Thank you for your feedback.
I can probably get back to you within a day.

I've learned that at this point when you are doing everything right, acne is entirely based on your mental state and how you feel about yourself.

Also be careful of overwashing, all my acne has left me since I stopped even washing my face & stopped all ointments/creams a few months ago.

the only thing thats ever given me clear skin was antibiotics. unfortunately that's not a practical solution since you can't take em longterm but if you wanna kickstart a new acne regime you could just take some doxycycline or clindamycin for a few weeks.

Have not tried accutane and desu don't really wanna. Still young (18) so if doxy doesn't work I am gonna keep consistently changing pillow cases, drinking lotsa water and shit like that just having a good clean lifestyle and wait for this shit to stop.

Has anyone here used Burts Bees products and did they help with acne or not?

I used to have bad forehead acne. It's gone for the most part, but I still have acne scars. Now all my acne had moved to my jawline. On top of that, my skin is oddly drier than usual. I washed my face today to get the dry dead skin off and it made parts of my face look red and shiny. It almost looked like I had stretch marks on my face. Every day I look a little more like Ian Connor. Wat do?

Derm. Or /r/skincareaddiction and /r/asianbeauty.

I had similar issues OP, here's what I've found works.

>Stop washing your face, even if you have greasy skin. That shit just makes acne worse.
>Take a multivit if you don't already, deficiencies can cause acne by themselves. If your skin IS greasy, take 150% of daily recommended amount of vitamin A. It'll give you a skin drying effect similar to Accutane but not nearly as bad/damaging.
>Make sure to not get shampoo/conditioner on your face at all when showering, lean head back rather than forward to rinse.
>Skincare routine should be 1 : rinse face with water until it's clear, dry with paper towel/toilet paper/tissues because detergents used to wash towels can aggravate skin. 2 : apply non comedogenic facial lotion (cetaphil is god tier). Just enough for your skin to feel mildly moist and smooth, you don't want it on there thick.
>Once a week or so use a mildly abrasive facial scrub to clear deadskin. Preferably one with NO anti-acne properties. If your acne isn't due to being a dirty fucker (most acne isn't) these washes/scrubs will not do shit for you besides age your skin with harsh cleansers.

I was the same deal as you OP, took two courses of Accutane and they helped but I still had some remainder acne. Stopping washing my face completely and taking multivitamins has had my skin perfectly clear for the past year or so. Worst breakout I get is a lone pimple on the forehead.

Sorry user

acne typically returns after a cycle of antibiotics

> Eat like a pig
> never wash face
> pillow case aint been washed in years probably
> shower 3 times a week
> 24/yo virgin but thats cause I'm autistic

feels pretty good man

ffs, forgot

>rarely ever get acne

literally the most important one

Welp I better be quick then.

people who have acne shower and wash their face too much

I saw this reddit post of a guy with cystic acne and tried everything just like you. He did absolutely nothing. Really. He didn't let any water or soap (bare with me) touch his face, ever, and took somewhere around 40,000 IUs of vitamin d (or the maximum recommended daily dose) everyday. He would take a very gentle, wet towel and wipe his face once a week to get rid of the buildup of dead skin, and from the pictures, he really did get cured. He also said that his skin was "glowing and radiant" when he did this, but i'm only relaying information. For shaving, he just used plain water but kept interaction to a minimum, so maybe try that out?

this is very good

any tips for red acne scars under the skin?

Time. Or laser.

Wouldn't that not work for oily skinned people?

adapelene and benzoyl peroxide work great, i didn't care about my hygiene for a good 5 months and was covered in acne and in the past 2 days using that shit has made most of it go away