The best way out of nihilism/determinism is the idea that we have souls and therefore we also have free will

The best way out of nihilism/determinism is the idea that we have souls and therefore we also have free will.

But how can we logically prove that things such as souls or the like exist? And to what degree can my soul control my physical body? For example, what happens if I am born with an extra chromossome. What do people who believe in free will and souls say about that?

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no one knows, this problem is called the hard problem of consciousness

No, it's not.

>he best way out of nihilism/determinism is the idea that we have souls and therefore we also have free will.
Doesn't follow. Usually, determinism comes from acceptance of rigid inescapable causal relations. Unless your soul didn't obey any such laws, how would it be different. Which processes occur in the soul to produce actions that are "free" from causality.

Metaphysics.

Would just be a higher set of laws.

Fuck, you got me.
So what then?
I just live my life doing nothing about it because I know everything is predetermined and things have a route that they naturally take? This is sad.

Dunno why that bothers you. Nothing changed. You aren't more or less free than you were before. You still want stuff and can make choices.

Sure, your wants and choices are just in your head and are links like all others in the chains of causality, but you live in your head anyway and your "choices" are part of the "natural route".

If you "choose" to sit up, and are able, you will - someone says "you were predetermined to sit up" and is promptly ignored because who the fuck cares about that noise?

Interesting point of view.
But do you think an autist or a retard can make choices?

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the problem of logically proving you are sapient is literally the hard problem of consciousness

There is no logical proof of determinism so this discussion is pointless.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

>logic
what is this kindergarten

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why would souls not be deterministic?

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the hard problem of consiousness has absolutely nothing to do with free will. It actually implies the exact opposite, tagging the causes of human behavior among the easy problems.

the hard problem is subjective awareness itself.

you gotta have your head shoved pretty fucking far up your ass to think that the lack of a formal proof for determinism means anything.

human behavior is among the most studied phenomena of all time. There are about 30 disciplines of science and philosophy fully devoted to it, and without exception there is near unanimity among specialists in literally every relevant discipline that there is a mountain range of evidence showing that behavior is physical.

The only actual controversy is the nature of awareness, which no one really knows much about. To extend this mystery to free will is pants on head retarded.

> And to what degree can my soul control my physical body?

Why think dualistically? Your soul isn't separate from your body

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Doesn't matter if determinism is true or not. From a reflexive point of view it's the most plausible principle. But when it comes to human experience it doesn't matter as we don't perceive our actions as determined even though we can analyse them as such if we just wanted to.

We are not free to choose what we want (because that is what we finally do and that is always causality) but we are able to feel what we want. This feeling is directly related to us and this is why every action seems to correspondent to ourselves or not and so this feeling will lead to the repetition of an action or not.

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