Do unattractive people who date other unattractive people actually find each other attractive or are they just settling?

>But attractiveness is literally as close to a "mate indicator" as you can get, as well as fitness since ugliness or sickness are associated with disgust, the opposite of attraction.
You're still wrong. Yes, attractiveness is a good indicator of mate selection, but no, attractiveness is not solely based on fitness. There are many factors that would make one assume that attractiveness is related to fitness, but that doesn't mean it is always the case. Since it is not always the case, your sweeping statement that it was is wrong. Also the most apparent indicator for attractiveness cross social barriers is facial symmetry (which is based on individual fitness in early development) but, again, that isn't the only factor.

Ugly virgin, here. I have observed that I have much lower standards than some friends of mine. I find women attractive that they do not find attractive.
Paradoxically some beautiful women seem kind of non-sexual to me. They're so far out of my range that I wouldn't even beat off to them.
I think I could lose my virginity at this point but the women available to me are not worth the effort.
I wish I had been less of a nut in high school, it would have been easier then. I got approached by a couple of 4s, a 5-6 and I think I may have been able to get a 7 at one point.

yes it is numbnut. people like looking at attractive people. fuck even it the name implies already what happens. people get attracted to attractive people.

you can clearly see that this girls suffers from fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. my cousin has the same disorder and she has the similar facial features, even though she is not THAT ugly.

by the background on the picture you can even see that this girl is from eastern europe (where it's rough alcohol culture)

her mother probably drank during pregnancy and she looks also like a fucking child of incest

so this girl is probably not only really fucking ugly, but also really stupid, her parents are fucked up and she 100% got bullied

i feel bad for her

relationships come in all types
but generally, most average people are dating people that look similar to them. on the basis of psychology, when you look in the mirror, you either like the way you look or you don't. if you don't hate yourself, your attractions will be based on someone that either looks similar to you are shares some similar facial qualities that you have.

in any case, being attracted to similar, different, or better is the key point.

>most average people are dating people that look similar to them
That's just because most people fall within a standard deviation of attractiveness. However, if you observe couples somewhere for even an hour, you'll notice plenty of disparities in physical attractiveness. The reason for this is, obviously, that more than physical attractiveness goes into choosing a partner.

Do mid-tier people find mid-tier people attractive or are they just settling? Do high-tier people find high-tier people attractive or are they just settling when they can't find very-high-tier people?

Humans date within a hierarchy. Men date across and down, women across and up, consistently across every attractive facet. It stands to reason that ugly people are settling no more than mid-tier or high-tier are

No, attractiveness is a general indicator of good genes or good nourishment.

did this girl ever get a bf? she seemed nice ;__;

modern relationships are a spook. the modern woman is too aware of the dominance hierarchy on a global scale so they all just shoot for the highest value men in our society.

If you are a man in the top 20% then fuck as many women as you want, if not then go MGTOW. Hopefully after western society falls something better rises.

Don't tell me you actually believe in that kneejerk nu-MRA bullshit.

did your dad ever give you "the talk"? When you grow up, you will see these patterns in society betwen men and women. Try talking to women friends, if you even have any, abouth these things. They will spill red pills left and right because women are more acutely conscious of society. And I'm not saying it as in a rep pill kind of guy who hates women and thinks men are any better. But most adults have already figured out these things and are jaded to these things. The only problem is that modern technology has improved the status of women and made it so much harder for men that a lot of times it's not worth it.

baka.com.au/lifestyle/life/why-women-lose-the-dating-game-20120421-1xdn0.html

There's an amusing/frightening anecdote about that in this article.
A woman tells how she has caught herself a Chad and she sees packs of 30-somethings coming to his lectures just to scope him out and try and get him.

The fact that well-adjusted men that are good with women don't cry and talk about MRA/MGTOW talking points does not make those talking points wrong.
Seems like you guys see a strong horse and a weak horse and assume they have different beliefs.

I think it's more that they have the same beliefs only the healthy, non-jaded man was taught them in a constructive way by his dad and his bros.
The MRA/MGTOW guy learned those lessons in a non-constructive way and he learned it late.

You can not follow the advice of women and the tenets of feminism and have a good time, as a man, unless you lucked out and you're 9/10.

u have to feel bad for so many people, user. everyone of us got fucked by destiny, just in different degrees. feeling bad is just a waste of time, time which is better spent in anger

Poor girl, I imagine she's been constantly shat on her entire life and barely knows what love would feel like, honestly it might be better to be born handsome in an impoverished country than hideous in a relatively prosperous one.

>go MGTOW

yikes lmao when will you bitter virgins get some self awareness

We settle. We give up on finding someone physically attractive and just settle for the best personality we can get.

you ugly or something?

I admire how people are able to settle. I just have crazy specific requirements and can't feel any romantic attraction towards anyone who doesn't fulfill them. Even if the person is objectively beautiful. Maybe it's a defense mechanism.

i think when you're horny enough and lonely enough your brain is able to find fragments of beauty in unattractive people

when i used to be fat this was the case

lol you mgtow dorks are emotionally handicapped

It's a blissful feeling really. Just having someone that likes you past your ugly mug is just really blissful. It's a one in a million

Plenty of men date "up", too. If you're talking about 4channers perhaps not, but in the real world they do.

Shitty link.

Here's a ycombinator thread on the article:
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6611747

These posters are pretty reasonable desu senpai

nice pseudo-science user. how is high school biology class treating you?

escpecially if you are in someway interesting or talented, a quality 4channer generally lack

I'm pretty sure Gainsbourg wasn't human.

I think there was some study that showed that less attractive people generally have lower standards (wouldn't have guessed judging by what you see on Veeky Forums).

ITT : Ugly and sad truths being posted.

There's always plastic surgery for you ugly folks out there.

Sorry I should've been more clear, the hierarchy is not just about looks, but education, power, wealth, intelligence etc. There's a lot of really interesting research out there if you're into the kind of thing

9.5/10 on today's quiz I see user

Now do you agree that we should put ugly people to death?

Oh golly, another pseud shitting up the board

Oh man. I always thought I'm somehow broken for thinking the "traditionally beautiful" women all my friends chased after looked boring, and preferring slightly homely looking girls with interesting flaws or quirks.

Turns out I'm just ugly as fuck and my brain is compensating.

she actually killed herself, and she's russian

I feel sorry for her

Source?

Am I meant to believe this thing is actually a human female?

Hey come on man she's got it rough enough as it is

thats so sad

shit i feel terrible for laughing at first

fucking hell 25/10 would poke

Is this the daughter of the Norwegian king of christmas soda?

God i hope thats fake. if not, first time ive ever felt empathy for a woman

>first time ive ever felt empathy for a woman
Well I guess that's a start

is she still alive?

Allegedly she killed herself, but Veeky Forums rumors are not to be trusted.

translate pls

good body and hair she deserves at least nonbald skelly guy

You're literally me user. I find homely and average girls really attractive.

something along the lines of leave her alone/ she was born that way/ don't mock her because of her looks, put yourselves in her position etc

same