Was the Holocaust really "unique" and different/worse than other genocides?

Was the Holocaust really "unique" and different/worse than other genocides?

The Nazis also considered Slavic people to be subhumans and wanted to kill them to create living space. The "gypsies" should be killed completely just like the Jewish people. And then you have other genocides throughout history where people wanted to (maybe just couldn't because they lacked the technology) to COMPLETELY wipe out an entire people.

The Russians commited a genocide against the Ukrainians. Slavery was a "black holocaust."

So...

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The numbers were pretty big.

They got about half of the Jews on the planet, and 6 million total, which seems to be the record for intentionally wiping out a specific ethnic group.

It was also a group of people that had a vast diaspora in the developed world, and it happened recently, and was committed by a group of people that fucked with literally everyone else on the planet except for a few insignificant pariah states.

So yeah, it's a pretty good example to lead with when you're explaining what a genocide is. You would be correct that other acts of genocide aren't mentioned as much, but that's what happens when you start a war with the US, UK, France, and USSR without winning.

Off topic: In general, Nazi ideologists didn't consider Slavs to be a race. It was believed that they were composed of several different racial components, including the nordic race. Those (and others) were generally seen worthy for assimilation into the German people.

>6 million total
False

OP, you know about the Rwandan genocide right?

>muh holohoax
>Slavery was a "black holocaust."

This is how Slavic people are seen today.
But back then, Slavic and "Nordic" (which wasn't even a term the Nazis used) were contradictions.

Some Czech people or the Croats (who weren't considered to be Slavic but Germanic) would have been seen as of "race-related blood" but not as Slavic.

Slavic today =/= Slavic in Nazi language

why is Veeky Forums so anti-white?

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Turks commited a genocide against Armenians.
There. Happy now?

Well, the Jews were the only ones who got a fancy star.

Yeah, you have to give it to the Nazis. The uniforms were fancy and the star was looking so much better than the silly hat the Jews had to wear first:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_hat

>But back then, Slavic and "Nordic" (which wasn't even a term the Nazis used) were contradictions.

Actually, I have read documents were the terms Nordic and Faelid race were described as the prominent racial types in Germany, and the text also noted that these types were also to be found in Poland, Russia, etc. in higher numbers.

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>Slavery was the black holocaust

Did half of all niggers die? No, clearly cause we have to deal with them today.

Not a holocaust.

>Modern distinctive or characteristic Jewish forms of male headgear include the kippah (skullcap), shtreimel, spodik, kolpik, kashkets and fedora; see also Hasidic headwear.
>fedora

really makes you think

Oh.
I just googled a little and it seems you are right:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#Nordicist_thought_in_Germany

The "unique" of the Holocaust and difference to other genocides was its professionalism ...

1. the shortness of time within just 5 years it all happend even though a war was going on

2. The industrial process of the killing: there were further developments from simple killing by massacre to the local but mobile gas waggons, to the final logistics and dimensions of the death camps.

3. The Teutonic thoroughness or German efficiency: in planning, forecasts, documentation, optimization and unconditional accomplishment without mercy.

4. The perpetrators and confidants all came from a well educated society knowing what they were doing at least.

5. It went wrong before it could be hushed up

Of course it's unique. It's the only genocide you can be thrown into prison for questioning or joking about. It's the only genocide that's been turned into a multi-billion dollar a year industry with franchises in almost every country on earth. It's the only genocide that has become the quasi-religious basis for an entire civilization. It's the only genocide you hear about almost every day of your life past childhood. As for was it actually worse than any other genocide, what does it even matter? The Holocaust has the market cornered.

Where the fuck did you get all the info on race extermination? Because it's not mentioned in table talk, there was a place of work for everyone even gypo's & slavs.
The "holocaust" is unique to jews only the same as it's for jews only.

This thread honestly belongs on Veeky Forums.

We're here to talk about actual events, not fiction.

What the fuck is wrong with people on this board.

Yes OP it was a big genocide some 6 million jews and ~4 millions others( POWs, slavs, soviets, political prisoners rrtc.)

>tfw Native American Genocide isn't even officially considered a genocide even though estimated more reds died than Jews in the holocaust
Why is our history so backwards?

It was the efficiency which was the scary bit; 15 million people (6 million jews 5.4 million red army, and 4 million gays, dwarves, gypsies, people with an assortment of physical and mental deformities and the general category of "everyone else the nazis didn't like") killed in the space of a few years with chemical weapons.

It's not the biggest genocide in history (that is a contended title between stalin, mao and the islamic invasion of india), it certainly wasnt the one that reached any notion of the "highest percentage" (the massacre of the mori-ori by the maori easily tops it), and it certainly isn't the most brutal (again this title is easily contended) or the longest single attempt (probably goes to either the english and ireland depending on how much you count some of the time since the ulster plantations as a continuous genocide attempt, or it goes again to the islamic invasion of india which went on for roughly 4 centuries). But it is by far and away the most clinical, designed and engineered genocide in history.

As to why anyone cares about it more than other genocides; most of the other groups people have tried to commit genocide against either it happened so long ago that nobody cares (scottish clearances), geopolitics (nobody wants to help the kurds or the armenians because oil, nobody gave a fuck about the massacres in indonesia during the cold war because they were killing commies), or the groups simply don't have the power or sway to gain attention with an audience that largely doesn't care (the Ainu in japan, and the aleutian islanders being easy examples here)

For groups that dont fall into the above categories besides the jewish component of the holocaust, you also get the koreans and the chinese during WW2 (although these tend to be forgotten in the west due to both the language barrier and because japan is an "ally" while china is not)

My friend has a theory on the holocaust... it's basically that Hitler saw what we did to the native americans, and wanted it done in a shorter time frame. 150 years down to about 15

What most people on the Internet call a fedora is actually a trilby.

what made it different was the technology used to kill more people faster.

previous genocides relied on starvation and disease to do the work for them. Smallpox and measles wiped out the native americans and starvation brought an end to the Phoenicians.

It's rarely been tried to just force the extermination of entire peoples by military force alone. there simply is not enough bullets or manpower to round up and kill every last one of a people-group, but Nazi Germany took up the task to eliminate entire ethnicities by force alone, that's new.

The take home as to what made it so egregious is the technology used to kill immense numbers of people so quickly in the form of machine guns and poison gas.

Germans really excell at efficiency that's why. Any sane State would look in absoloute fucking terror and awe if they realize another State is capable of rounding up and killing millions in a span of a few years.
You think back in the day when people heard or saw what Genghis Khan or Atila were doing they acted calmly and disregarded it? Any rational person would shit their pants quickly at such a foe.

>previous genocides relied on starvation and disease to do the work for them. Smallpox and measles wiped out the native americans

But isn't there no way that pilgrims knew about disease spreading? Considering the germ theory of disease wasn't even in wide acceptance until the late 1800s?

Well they gave them blankets that were smallpox-infested to kill them.

It was the same genocidial spirit they were just lacking the technology of gas chambers back then .

>Well they gave them blankets that were smallpox-infested to kill them.
This is what I'm saying. Where's the proof? How did they know that the blankets were infested with smallpox, and that the disease transfers that way? Is there a single document that says, "we tricked the wicked indianf into rubbing themfelvef with our fmallpox blanketf" or is just a post-facto rationalization by historians?

From what i can tell Veeky Forums is anti everything.

>Well they gave them blankets that were smallpox-infested to kill them.

I hear this a lot, and the only case I know of of smallpox blankets knowingly given to natives is during the siege of Fort Pitt in like 1763. And I'm pretty sure even in that case it wasn't "I hope this disease wipes out their entire race", it was because they were at war and literally under siege.

Is there any other evidence of Europeans intentionally distributing smallpox blankets?

Fuck off
A bunch of faggot Indians contracting smallpox is not a genocide

here, read about the siege of Fort Pitt. To my knowledge that's the only case of somebody (from perfidious albion of course) intentionally taking blankets from a smallpox hospital to give to native emisarries with the goal of spreading the disease. But as I said, in that case it was more a matter of biological warfare than racial extermination, I don't see it as any different in intent than, say, launching dead cattle into a besieged city to make your enemies sick.

Genocide means deliberate extermination. That did not happen to native americans.

Yea. Bulshit, try to speak about Armenian genocide in Turkey and you'll see how long will you stay free or even alive.

Very good summary. Thank you!

It was done with the hope of wiping out the natives actually. But you are right that it was one isolated case.

Your friend sounds autistic. The holocaust is not at all similar to the Indian """""genoicde"""""

Well, it was done on G*d's chosen people so, it is more special.

Your friend is close annon.
Hitler's plans for the east was basically the German version of what America/Canada did to their natives

The holocaust is really unique bcause whoever set up its history did nothng but wordplay.

unnecesary and a big part of germany and america's history at the same time

of course that unneeded manslaughter is the most unique because it's sheer cruelty and inhumanity

It was unique because it got massive media over-representation even though there was more brutal and numerous genocides.

>It was in Europe
>1/3 of Jews killed
>It really erased jews from Europe
>Jews own a lot of western media

And most importantly Cold war, Americans wanted to be the "good guy" who prevailed over the "bad guy". And needed to show a genocide commited by Hitler, but showing genocides in Eastern Europe would not have the propagandistic value since those people were "liberated" by USSR. As opposed to USSR who downplayed Jewish holocaust, since Jews were their adversaries.

The german efficency got far further than the industrilacing the killing: reusing Gold teeth, making Clothes out of jewish hair etc.

Because you touch yourself at night

Holocaust does not lose its meaning because there are survivors. Now youre just taking Jewish Holocaust denial and applying it elsewhere.

it's not, it's just not /pol/ with dates like you tards want it to be

Nobody will ever know what really happened since it's illegal to study in depth what really happened kontra what the victor want us to believe.

I guess a milion or two isn't too far off. But the muh 6 gorillion oy vey is just typical propaganda. Same goes with how the camps were designated death camps wich is idiotic. Labor was scarse and important for the war machine. Hunger and typhus are common for such camps when things broke apart late into the war.

Russia got over 40 confirmed. The bolchevicks were ethnic jews.

Swallow that, goys.

Because we're all SJW cucks.

>le victor writes history meme
>oy vey
>but muh stalin

hello /pol/
you can leave now

>Was the Holocaust really "unique" and different/worse than other genocides?

Yes, it's unique in the sense that unlike other genocides, it never happened.

because your post means end of thread and people want to """discuss""" (read shitpost) for longer than 2 seconds. This is still Veeky Forums.

Let me hold the door to /pol/ open for you.

>Documentation
>of the Holocaust

Don't make me laugh

>Slavery was a "black holocaust."
>Russians commited a genocide against the Ukrainians
Fucking read a book mate...

Was the Holocaust really "unique" and different/worse than other genocides?
It was industrialiesd, thats the unique part, the simple scale of it, the efficiancy. Not the idea to wipe out eintire peoples...its the way they tired to do it

Because you people consider everything short of masturbating to pictures of Roman statues while moaning "White pride world wide" to be anti-white.

>Those (and others) were generally seen worthy for assimilation into the German people.

Oh boy, did those Slavs assimilate into the women of Germany.

Imagine all the lessons learned during WW1..
Imagine growing up and seeing all the great machinery and advances in technology and medicine..
Imagine growing and reading about all the works of the enlightenment.
Imagine growing up being proud of the nation you were born in and your people

Then imagine right after, some douchebag with a shitstain on his face gets all those great ideas and advances and twist it for his own sick ideals and becomes the catalyst for the deadliest conflict in history.

That's why people get so tangled up about the Holocaust.

I think what is important to note is that Germany was a fucking advanced and cultured country.
This was the amazing part. Some uneducated african savages killing others with machetes is less surprising than an advanced educated nation/people bring the full brunt of industry to annihilate another people.

There were "pockets" of genocide. but there was no delibate and consious effort to exterminate all indiands, no.

Honestly I think one of the reasons it's know as "the" genocide is because the Allies had a lot of awful things that they wanted to get attention away from.

personally, i pretend the six million number is accurate in these threads out of civility

They didnt care so much about the phenotype of slavs, they saw them as a different race in terms of being a different genepool, seen as having degenerate and subhuman traits

It's a crime to deny the Armenian genocide in France, so user is wrong there too