fashion isn't inherent capitalistic yet fashion is directly related to resources and our capitalist economic systems monopolizes control over resources.
Shoplifting, second hand purchases (specifically from charities via charity shopes or non-bourgeois sources via ebay etc) and DIY are options.
what are some anti-capitalist Veeky Forums tactics?
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Dress like a dirty shitter or wear le ironic brand parodies. Have fun, commie, sorry you ended up poor.
anti-fashion and parody are options which I like the idea of. My trepidation is that you're still letting the capitalist hegemony dictate your fashion.
support earnest independent artist run brands
its still capitalist obv but they're no corporation, and they're likely trying to make their own way as a reaction against their environment. you cannot escape capitalism under capitalism sadly.
Second hand obviously
>our capitalistic economic system monopolizes control over resources
>capitalism is literally the concept of allowing individuals to own and control resources instead of a state owned monopoly
Wew
milsurp
Yeah, because it's so much better to have few individuals instead of states controlling them. It's oligarchy either way
Thats not an ironic brand parody tho
Have fun at Karmaloop!
>trying to ethically consume under capitalism
no matter what, something is going to be made with cheap exploited labour or materials outsourced from a poor country. Don't buy in to the "lol the x you're using was made under capitalism" meme.
I'm fully on board with your suspicion of state control but your definition of capitalism is flawed.
Capitalism didn't come to fruition as a response to state ownership because it emerged prior to the existence of the state and was key in the creation of the state. Therefore it is incorrect to define capitalism in relation to the state, except in the way in which it necessitates the states existence.
secondly your definition is incomplete. Socialism allows individuals to own and control resources, it just insists that resources used in the creation of wealth are owned by the individuals who directly use them (i.e. the cobbler owns their workshop and tools, the miners own the mine and tools, the chefs and servers own the restaurant etc). Capitalism allows not only for the trade of commodities but also the means of producing commodities which has lead to the alienation of the majority of society from economic power and has condenmed them to a life of servitude.
if you make the pointed out corrections to your definition it is valid but it isn't a criticism of what you quoted. Capitalism as an economic system does monopolize control of resources in that under a capitalist economic system all reasources are controlled within alignment with the capitalist conception of property. to point out that under that system property is owned by individuals doesn't undermine that point.
Shop at Walmart like the lumpen prole you are.
lol, is that real?
Yep
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>implying the communists today aren't just LARPing trust fund kids with a guilt complex
Why do commies shit all over capitalism yet remain as much or even more materialistic than the capitalist?
I've thought about that in the past but I got the impression that the money reaches the military, not individual soldiers, which is a concern
I dunno what that is but i'll check it out, thx
I totally agree that you can't ethically consume under capitalism but by mitigating consumption and seeking to do so in ways which avoid the most insidious capitalist labour practices has to be better than nothing, right?
And whilst I understand that one man can't really make an impact through 'voting with his wallet' I made this thread in the hope of discussing how one can integegrate anti-capitalism into their fashion through both consumption and expression.
Finally I also think that capitalist consumption is destructive to the consumer (not in the sense that they are also, usually, working class) and so avoiding interaction with capitalism in the way you express yourself or attacking capitalism has to be positive.
ye, it's not actually produced by walmart tho, and the company that makes it seems to be one of those t-shirt brands that throws everything out there and hopes it sticks. I wouldn't be suprised if none of these shirts were every printed.
Nothing has done more to reduce global poverty in the world than free markets. Do you want the poor to suffer and starve?
>reaches the military, not individual soldiers
think of the small businesses who sell it though, they make the most profit. the military just sells off its old rags, and it will be rich no matter what. think of who doesn't get the money, no cheap made in china shit, no deceptive brands involved, everything is made for the ages. it's the logical consequence of second hand shopping and anti-capitalist ethics.
Industrialization reduced global poverty and also allowed for capitalism to secure itself as the domintant economic system. Free markets have never existed so to give them credit for the fact that technology improves over time seems a tad naive but we're all on our own points on this journey, I doubt you'd credit the soviet system for the improvements in quality of life seen under its reign, I sure wouldn't (infact I'd say, like capitalism, the soviet system inhibited inevitable improvements in quality of like that would have come through technological progression).
you raise good points, also I really want some magnum boots so maybe now I'll get some guilt free :)
>implying free markets exist anywhere on earth
You're WAAAY overthinking this you goddamn commie
I don't have alot of money right now cause I'm a broke student, but i like certain styles
Namely Lunarcore and Milspo
So luckily alot of the pieces I want or need for a fit, are usually pretty cheap or can easily find cheap alternatives for said pieces, places like Military surplus stores, online milsurp stores, thrift stores, and places like eBay and Aliexpress are cheap places to get the pieces I want for my fits, and having a sewing machine let's me make whatever I want and tailor the fit any way I want
Now am I going around consciously thinking about projecting some sort of cringey commie persona or way of thinking with being anti this and that?
No. I just get what I can afford until I can make enough money to get the "premium" or "nicer" pieces, which also gives me a little bit more incentive to GET A BETTER JOB
HAHAHAHA
Pathetic
You'd never see a European identitarian or Alt Right shirt in any store
> I got the impression that the money reaches the military, not individual soldiers, which is a concern
wtf what kind of anti-capitalist are you
Anyway both extremes have shit points imo. One side says there is no ethical consumption under capitalism so we should just have shitty consumption habbits. The other side thinks its possible and goes veggie/vegan, buys all natural products, etc.
My issue with these two sides is ethics isn't absolute, its more of a scale. Imo buying American made/UK made/ 1st world made is much more ethical then sweatshop in some shithole made since workers in 1st world countries are much less exploited (receive more of their value created) and are not subject to horrific working conditions.
Otherwise its not something worth obsessing over, the only time I take the "but its made with capitalism" seriously is if I every want to buy leftist apparel/flags/etc since profiting off of leftists figures/symbolism and using sweatshop labour to make them doesn't sit well with me, I much rather buy from a party or organization trying to raise money.
I'm actually not a communist. There is a diversity of anti-capitalist politic positions including socialism, distributionism and even progressivism in some cases.
Whilst I admire the fact that you've found your style and are expressing yourself without needing to follow the set path your political apathy is concerning, I think you'd benefit from reading some noam chomsky. Liberal democracy benefits from discouraging political participation from the working class and I feel as though you are really being taken of advantage of.
Perhap contemplate why non-participation in the political process and the acceptance of your fate is seen as normal and 'chill'.
I agree it isn't worth obsessing over and thats why I included 'general' in the title. I didn't want this thread to revolve around a single question but rather be a discussion on the way in which anti-capitalist ethics interact with fashion. But once you put it out there it becomes what it becomes I guess.
wew lad
post more rare rockwell pls
>Industrialization
I'm not talking about developing better farm equipment and factories, you boob. You remind me of the most insufferable know-it-all I've ever met, sixteen year old me.
from the article you linked
>China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement.
Hence it is clearly not free markets which are the driving force behind a reduction in poverty.
Clearly chinas massive growth in industrialization whilst retaining severe state controls over industry is what has caused the improvements in quality of life.
Ah, I now see the error of my ways. Murdering and starving a hundred million people while obliterating a thousand years of history and culture is the price you must pay for moderate economic growth fifty years later.
I basically wear nothing but cheap black t shirts and black pants now. So I guess that counts. I like fashion but I'm at odds with the whole thing since I don't really like to spend money.
Only Marxism-Leninism is Veeky Forums.
Not like the capitalist states are any better in that regard
Actually scratch that. ML-Maoism has peak communist aesthetics.
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>what are some anti-capitalist Veeky Forums tactics?
buy high quality so it doesn't break and you don't need to replace it
make things yourself
support your local tailors
this. also buy second hand.
I have a question about that. Most of the people here thrift for cheap.
How much more ethical is thrifting anyway?
The supply chain is rather unknown to me. For example, I don't know which sorting companies are involved and I don't know what the working conditions are. Thrift (vintage?), being part of the second hand clothes trade, threatens the domestic clothing industry of Africa. Also, I've noticed that thrift stores in my county always stock the same stuff, so I wonder who decides the trends.
you are thinking this too much. don't buy fucking h&m trifted, but quality stuff.
I'm not thinking too much.
Where do thrift stores get their clothes from?
Who handles the clothes?
Who decides what's in stock? Who are the tastemakers?
support your local cobbler.
why is the filename "icelandic wife" and who is rockwell?
There are other places where you can buy second hand than trift stores too.
ok so i'm related to her in the 7th and 10th generation (?) is that how you say it in english? Her Great*5-Grandmother and my great*8-grandfather were siblings, hell yeah
pro-capitalism and anti-consumerism aren't mutually exclusive. i have no idea why commies go on Veeky Forums out of all boards lmao
this
That is true. The international second hand trade is big. I just want to understand this part of it better.
> commie resorts to stealing
Like they always do
fashion has nothing to do with your political view and theoretically doesnt have anything to do with your financial status
>fashion isn't inherent capitalistic
kek
>fashion has nothing to do with your political view and theoretically doesnt have anything to do with your financial status
Theoretically, sure. In reality, it's only natural.
Communism is rooted solely in collective self interest and had no moral basis, you fucking virtue signaling liberal. Elitist vegan gluten free clothing won't bring about any meaningful change in society.
This thread is important because you can still hav a fashion sense if you dont have that big of a budget
For me, i am not poor but i dont see a reason for myself to spend more than 150 bucks on clothing what seems to be casual for some posters here
Just because you dont have a lot doesnt mean you have to look like shit but this board seems to be frequented by very wealthy anons who tend to shit on poor people that cant affort item [X] for [XXX]$
Sad!
The entire basis of every form of government is self-interest..
>anti-fashion
that doesn't mean what you think it means
I know man I went on a thrift haul myself yesterday, I'm really greatful for them. It's a great place to get rid of your shopping bug. I totally agree with you.
i like to buy stuff from Springfield on Amazon, they have good stuff for low prices because i cant really thriftdrift in my area
Repeat after me:
There. Is. No. Ethical. Consumption. Under. Capitalism
George Rockwell, alpha chad assassinated because of his political success
That's fucking awesome man!
>ethics isn't absolute
That's a very broad statement. Don't let it fool you.
is there a way to be pro-capitalist and anti-corporation? obviously supporting "earnest independent artist-run brands" like said, but other than that? it seems like there's nothing else these days that isn't run by (((whatever they are))) on wall street or in some dystopian supercompound in california.
Second hand for designers
Thift, chink shit, local factory made, DIY
Avoid retail like adidas
don't support "artists", support small businesses that do most of the work themselves, don't outsource to other countries, deliver quality and work environmentally friendly. if an artist fits that category, if not don't.
Autism suffers typically have a defecit in what is known as 'theory of mind'. This means that the cannot recognize that the way they percieve the world and the way others percieve the world could be different.
Children typically lack empathy and must develop improved social and emotional sophistication before empathy starts to influence there behaviour.
If you think that seeking to alleviate the suffering of others can only ever be 'virtue signalling' then it strikes me as almost certain that you have autism and the emotional and social sophistication of a toddler.
Your second point, however, is totally valid and it is something I have addressed in previous responses.
i think whats far more likely is that what you think I mean when I say anti-fashion isn't actually what I mean when I say anti-fashion. I find its often better to give people the benefit of the doubt because we all misunderstand people sometimes and it just makes social interactions easier.
I recommend you do some research on market socialism. whilst the liberal propaganda machine has sought (and often been succesful) to convince people that socialism means the government owns everything that isn't the case.
define anti fashion
>anti capitalist
Walk around naked then you insufferable faggot.