Don't spank your children, otherwise they'll violate the NAP (non-aggression principle) when they're adults...

Don't spank your children, otherwise they'll violate the NAP (non-aggression principle) when they're adults. If they do that, society will have no choice but to apply the PRP (physical removal principle) and physically remove them.

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In any civilised country it is already illegal to spank children.

If you think physically assaulting a child is okay just because they happen to be your child then you are retarded.

I'm assuming you are casually connecting the position that abusing children is wrong with some obscure Youtube shitposter because you are some religious hick that thinks beating up children is normal and is needed to protect them from the influence of magical evil beings.

I can already feel my argument starting to fade...

While we're here, can someone explain to me why he is so pro Trump if he is an AnCap?

>physically assaulting
spanking and slapping are fine, it teaches the child to behave
it worked for me

have you seen how bad young kids are these days ? no respect they talk to their parents like they're shit ... they should get a slap so they understand reality
otherwise they grow up into awful adults who think they can do whatever they want, there are no consequences, and you're an asshole for telling them they're wrong

>it worked for me
why is this the only argument I ever see in favour of spanking children?

Maybe that'll work at work as well.

>Cheeky employees, get out the lash!

And yes slapping and spanking are recognised as a physical assault. Try doing it to someone that isn't a vulnerable child in your care and see what happens if they report it to the police.

>mister the police officer : he slapped me !!!
lmao
women slap men everyday in the street because of bad pickup lines
if your police would actually arrest people for fucking slapping, you live a non-country

Who the fucking fuck is this guy and why does he appear in every board I go to?

>if your police would actually arrest people for fucking slapping, you live a non-country

Tell us what country you live in so we can do some research.

I'll start with the USA just in case that happens to be where you live.

inquisitr.com/2253044/woman-arrested-for-slapping-boyfriend/

>inquisitr.com/2253044/woman-arrested-for-slapping-boyfriend/
this is absolutely ridiculous though, in fact the article was probably made specifically ebcause it's fucking ridiculous you can go to jail for this

>this is absolutely ridiculous

tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/pasco-detention-deputy-arrested-accused-of-slapping-an-inmate/2273827

ktla.com/2015/04/10/man-23-arrested-after-surveillance-video-shows-boy-being-slapped-in-bakersfield-grocery-store/

cbs46.com/story/27444501/dekalb-school-bus-driver-arrested-for-slapping-student-parents-sue

the guy in your story is the biggest pussy in the world
>jerk off
>gf comes in
>slaps you
yeah well i am sure this happened to millions of men in the past
this guy actually went to the police for this

what the hell ? it doesn't hurt it's not even violent, if you can't even slap the people around you we basically live under a dictatorship that controls every single one of your movements, it's disgusting

>if you can't even slap the people around you we basically live under a dictatorship that controls every single one of your movements

I can't stop laughing.

>pussy
>didnt hurt
>not even violent

Clearly spanking has had adverse effects on your mental development, as none of those unsubstantiated claims are arguments. I'll pray for you brother

>it doesn't hurt
Getting slapped by a girl stings like hell.

Believe me, I know.

here's an argument :
99% of the time, slapping people is a good thing

iif this were real life, i would slap you right now so you stop with all the semantics bullshit, and it would also be a good thing

Because the alternatives are a Democratic Socialist and Hillary Clinton.

>99% of the time, slapping people is a good thing
How is that an argument?
>iif this were real life, i would slap you right now so you stop with all the semantics bullshit, and it would also be a good thing
Anyone who complains about 'muh semantics' has no business having arguments that involve definitions and fine distinctions between concepts, and therefore has no business making claims about the law.

Because the alternative is Hillary Clinton.*

Did Americans really believe that 3rd guy had ANY chance whatsoever ? obviously not

He seems specifically pro Trump.

If you slapped me I would probably kick your ass. If you were so much bigger/stronger than me that I couldn't defend myself I'd shoot you and kill you. That is how things would play out.

Also, that STILL isn't an argument.

Hmm, you have a point.

Now I'm a #CruzMissile

>someone slaps you
>first instinct is to murder them

Wow you do have a problem

the argument is that i have common sense and you don't, it's all smokes and mirrors and bullshit
you tell me genius, how is slapping people bad ?

>arguments that involve definitions and fine distinctions between concept
this is not one of them
this is an argument that involves being a reasonable human being and accepting that yes slapping is perfectly okay for everybody who isn't a massive faggot like you

>accused, why did you kill m. user ?
>well you see m. the judge, he slapped me
>oh yes obviously that's legitimate defense, you're free to leave

>someone you don't know assaults you
>someone who would assault a stranger for having a debate is clearly mentally unhinged and could snap at any time and take you out

I believe the term you're looking for is self-defense.

by the way i'm convinced you're all insane and/or trolling me, nobody could seriously pretend it's a good thing that people get arrested for slapping

Its murder dude, he specifically explained he was slapping you to prove a point and wasn't going to do anything beyond that

>here's an argument :
>99% of the time, slapping people is a good thing

That's not an argument, that's just you asserting bullshit with no justification.

>iif this were real life, i would slap you right now so you stop with all the semantics bullshit, and it would also be a good thing

No ones playing semantics and I would call the police.

>the argument is that i have common sense and you don't, it's all smokes and mirrors and bullshit
Everyone has common sense, that's what makes it common. THis still isn't an argument.
>how is slapping people bad ?
So you're telling me that if I slapped everyone you know with no justification, I wouldn't be doing anything wrong?
>this is an argument that involves being a reasonable human being and accepting that yes slapping is perfectly okay for everybody who isn't a massive faggot like you
wew
This isn't an argument at all. You're making claims and refusing to support them. Instead of supporting them, you call everyone else names. You don't deserve to be slapped, but nobody has to take your claims seriously.
Because, again, the alternatives are a Democratic Socialist and Hillary Clinton. Who else would he support? The Libertarian party is a bad joke.

As far as I understand he still pretends to be an Ancap either because he doesn't want to completely alienate his older followers or because he doesn't want to admit that he was wrong. He is way too invested in the ideology to explicitly reject it, a bit like the leaders of China pretend to be communist/Marxist. De facto he is nowadays more of a alt-right type of guy.

Your final argument is literally

>wow, just wow

The sad irony is, you were hit as a child, have no good reasons why this practice should be continued. People point out that you have no arguments, and your only response is "say that to my face fucker and I will attack you because we disagree".

When someone informs you that in the real world attacking random people can get you killed you feign disbelief as if you can't comprehend the world we live in. I was fucking with you the whole time, but I truly feel sorry for how thick the delusion you're experiencing is. For all bystanders let this be a lesson on what hitting your kids can do to their psyche and capacity for processing information and building arguments.

user should be physically removed, desu.

It strikes me the same as women who make their female children have FGM just because it happened to them and they consider it normal.

user's parents physically abused him so he has internalised that is a "good thing" and "normal" and he can't snap out of it.

>nobody could seriously pretend it's a good thing that people get arrested for slapping

>Violate the NAP
>Get physically removed
The system works.

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>Everyone has common sense, that's what makes it common.
apparently not

>THis still isn't an argument.
nothing is an argument with you really

what more do you want, that it's completely blown out of proportion ? that it's actually just a gentle gesture that people have made towards each other to get them back on the right track for thousands of years ? that there was no harm done ? that since we got rid of spanking now kids do whatever they want in the household, without fear of punishment ? that if kids don't get slapped they'll never realize they shouldn't say such dumb shit ? that you live in a nanny state ?

what do you even want

and who are you people who think slapping is so bad, what world do you even live in

>So you're telling me that if I slapped everyone you know with no justification, I wouldn't be doing anything wrong?
>with no justification
that is just dishonest, ie the guy was watching porn of course his gf slaps him

actually i am polite and civilized and i write proper posts most of the time
here i refuse to do so because it's all nonsense in the first place

>apparently not
[citation needed]
>nothing is an argument with you really
Plenty of things are arguments, you just haven't made any.
>what do you even want
An argument. You haven't made one, you just keep making assertions, none of which have been backed up by references to anything but your own warped moral sense.
>and who are you people who think slapping is so bad, what world do you even live in
One which I wish weren't populated with violent scum like you.
>ie the guy was watching porn of course his gf slaps him
How is that justification for violence? That's what slapping somebody is, violence. Maybe she didn't have to go to prison, but there has to be some incentive to prevent people from assaulting each other, otherwise scum like you would just get away with your retarded bullshit.
It's obvious that you have little capacity for rational thought, which is what leads you to embrace violent behavior without even realizing that this embrace is controversial at best and morally reprehensible at worst.

>/leftypol/ meme
You need to be physically removed.
You know nothing about anarcho-capitalism, do you?

>that if kids don't get slapped they'll never realize they shouldn't say such dumb shit ?

You think it is okay to violently abuse small children for saying "dumb shit".

What the fuck is wrong with you?

you're so full of shit it's unbelievable

> none of which have been backed up by references
oh my god what a fucking nerd

you want sources ? well i won't give you any sources
not that i don't have them (i do) but because you don't deserve them

you should simply believe what i say because it's the truth

also slapping isn't violence
if slapping is violent, handshaking, fistbumping and shoulder-tapping are also violence

It's funny, because your response to how you would handle someone slapping you is in fact an argument against the point you are trying to make.

>if you weren't so much bigger and stronger than me, I'd kick your ass!

Have you ever considered this might be how the child feels? When you use corporal punishment on a child, they don't learn a lesson, they become angry and resentful. The first instinct is to fight back, but they can't because they are so much weaker and smaller then adults. Kids then take out this fustration on other kids who are smaller and weaker then them, which is how bullies are made. Does this happen in every scenario? No, of course not. But does this happen? Yes. More times then not corporal punishment just makes kids angry or scared and teaches them to work out their fustration through violence. Sure you "turned out fine" but just because it worked for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone.

Numerous studies have shown that the vast majority of people respond negatively to corporal punishment and that is bad for development. Here is one such study: apa.org/pi/prevent-violence/resources/violent-behavior.aspx

My father was spanked and slapped as a child as punishment, he told me one time he was spanked so hard he couldn't sit down the next day. My dad did not become a bully, but the result was that he hated his father and did not talk to him after college for almost 10 years. So go ahead, spank and hit your child, and have fun not talking to them for several years after they are old enough to take care of themselves. And miss out on significant parts of their life (like their marriage or the birth of your grandkids).

>oh my god what a fucking nerd
>you want sources ? well i won't give you any sources
>not that i don't have them (i do) but because you don't deserve them
>you should simply believe what i say because it's the truth
Read the sticky.
>slapping isn't violence
But it is, you're using physical force against someone out of aggression. The initiation of force is always immoral.
>if slapping is violent, handshaking, fistbumping and shoulder-tapping are also violence
Why?

because it's the only possible justification for it, really. they've been so fucked up by being abused by their parents that they think it's OK to abuse children.

As the first person to reply to OP let me be clear this isn't an "is Anarcho-Capitalism right?" thread.

Linking this purely to Molyneux is OP's strawman to begin with.

No offence to the an-caps in this thread but the position "assaulting children is wrong" is not just some fringe an-cap position.

>In any civilised country it is already illegal to spank children.
Discipline is illegal? Jesus, Northern Europeans are insane

i was invited by a friend in his family house recently, hs father remarried a random brown asian
they had a little girl together : just the worst

she was like the little queen, doing whatever she wants and her parents buy her everything and she's never wrong about anything

once she goes and literally yells LA LA LA LA LA for 20 fucking minutes and her pussy parents are just like "please stop it honey" (and she doesn't give a shit)
she actually SPIT on my friend at some point, do you realize ? spitting on people, a fucking 10yo girl

she tried to bully me too, i yelled HO FUCK OFF and she did fuck off but she totally deserved a slap which i would GLADLY have given her

>she actually SPIT on my friend at some point, do you realize ? spitting on people, a fucking 10yo girl
That's what kids do. They misbehave.
>i yelled HO FUCK OFF
You called a 10-year-old a whore and swore at her?
>she totally deserved a slap which i would GLADLY have given her
I don't think you can derive her desert of a slap from your desire to slap her, user. You can only derive that desire from that desire. Is/ought and all that.
>inb4 NERD

Oh he is in a situation of coercion, isn't he? B)

FUCKING NERD

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Aren't we all, living under the rule of the state? ;^)

I can't tell you how much this fills me with rage.

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You're both idiots.

And you literally added nothing to this conversation, congradulations

You will have to be physically removed.This kind of attitudes cannot be tolerated in a free society

He's befriended Ben "The One Man Klan" Garrison via Twitter. It's really bizarre.

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>That's what kids do. They misbehave.
That's why you gotta slap them, so they'll stop

>That's why you gotta slap them,
Well, you could try taking away their toys, phones, or televisions.

>Not knowing about Hoppean Ancapism

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>Discipline is illegal?

No discipline is not illegal.

Violent assault is.

Try hitting someone else's five year old child and see what happens. Try explaining how beating up your own children is different without just claiming their your property so you can do what you like to them.

And try something a little bit better than suggesting kicking the shit out of vulnerable little people is synonymous with any form of discipline.

Yeah, but's only a matter of time before faggot cucks start saying you can't take away their shit because it deprives them of comfort or happiness or something stupid like that

Why is it that only my half-assed replies get a response and my well thought out argument gets no response?

>Read the sticky.
I just did it said :
"Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected"
You are blatantly trolling, also you are bringing down the level of discourse with all of your bullshit and your obscure memes

LISTEN AND BELIEVE

>but's only a matter of time before faggot cucks start saying you can't take away their shit because it deprives them of comfort or happiness or something stupid like that
Which is why property rights are important: the television, phone, and toys are actually the property of the parents, and the children use them with their permission.
>You are blatantly trolling, also you are bringing down the level of discourse with all of your bullshit
>The pot is calling the kettle black

Children cannot be reasoned with, they respond to pain far more readily and remember it much more than 10 minutes timeout.

I think physical discipline should be a last resort kind of thing. When a child is being absolutely dreadful. You physically discipline children because they're unreasonable. Once you can reason with them more effective means of punishment exist, but the only way I see people calm down 3 year olds without spankings or threats of spankings is with bribes, which is an absolutely dreadful way to deal with 3 year olds.

Sweden
Yes

For goodness sake.

I fail to see how "only Swedes don't smack around children" is a serious point.

>Children cannot be reasoned with,

Of course they can.

>they respond to pain far more readily

By this reasoning burning them "just a little bit" with a blow torch is reasonable.

>Grandfather not only raised your father to adulthood, but sent him to college
>Father refused to talk to him because of entirely reasonable disciplinary actions when he was a child
Wow, your father was a pussy, it explains how stupid you are.

Here's what happens then: a week later, the kids has completely forgotten why you took stuff from him, and is now just angry and resentful.

Compare and contrast with getting cuffed on the ears. The realize it hurt, and they either realize it's because they did something stupid, or you explain it to them. They then go forward knowing that if they cross the line, the get slapped on the back of the head.

>welcome to Veeky Forums

>Wow, your father was a pussy

This neatly encapsulates the mindset of people that want to violently assault children.

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I've been here from the very start.

No, children literally cannot be reasoned with like an adult, their brains are still developing.

I swear to God, summer brings all the 14 year olds who are pissy that mom made them clean the table.

>I swear to God, summer brings all the 14 year olds who are pissy that mom made them clean the table.

That's the best argument you can bring to bear for hitting children?

Blinking heck!

>without just claiming their your property so you can do what you like to them.

Isn't this what Rothbard did

Pfff, spanking isnt beating
My dad used to spank me until I was 14
He'd pull my pants and panties down, put me on his laps and spank my bare ass

As a little girl it was more about the pain, but as a teen it was mainly the humiliation aspect that struck me (even though it happened way less often than when I was younger as I behaved better).

I remember in the last times it used to get me wet as fuck, and he eventually stopped after he found some of my pussy juice on his laps after the spanking one day
We never talked about it, and after that he moved to non-physical punishment
I miss it sometimes, and I still get wet when thinking about it

Actually, yes. Real life isn't going to tolerate your bullshit. The sooner a kid learns that if they talk shit, they will get hit the better. If that turned your dad into a whiney little bitch, too bad for him, but your granddad did him a favor.

Are there any actual decent studies on the use of corporal punishment as a disciplinary measure? I've read off hand that it's actually really easy to mess a kid up on an emotional level, even yelling can do the trick (supposedly), so I'd take a rather conservative notion to the concept of corporal punishment.

>Ignores the argument
>Focuses on comment at the end
>Claims victory

Just don't complain here when your the year old starts doing the same thing

>>Focuses on comment at the end

You mean the majority of the post?

>The sooner a kid learns that if they talk shit, they will get hit the better.

And what exactly is the definition of "talking shit"?

>My dad used to spank me until I was 14

This is the same argument that has already been debunked in this thread. How is "my Dad used to do it therefore it is okay" even considered a serious point? It is the same logic women that have undergone FGM using to subject their daughter to the same thing.

The fact you were physically abused is not an argument.

I'm not an ancap and have frequently pointed out in this thread that the OP is deliberately making a strawman by linking opposition of violent child abuse to some fringe ancap Youtuber. Back in the real world anyone that thinks hitting your child is not okay has probably never even heard of Molyneux.

>You were abused I tell you!!! Feel bad now!!!

No one asked you to feel bad about it. It was just pointed out that it is not an argument for hitting children.

Argument: kids are literally incapable of reasoned arguing due to the fact that their brains are still developing. We don't let them vote for this same reason.

Unrelated comment: you are a stupid faggot.

As for what defines talking shit, polite society has rules that need to be followed to succeed. Don't spit on people. Be polite. Don't interrupt. Don't shout indoors. Since your kid doesn't know these things, it falls to you to tell them to stop doing things. If they don't listen, explaining abstract concepts like "the respect of your peers" isn't going to work. So you give them a light swat to the bank of the head so they know not to do that.

Nah, Rothbard took the opposite approach. Benjamin Tucker took the approach of claiming them as property. I think he relaxed on that position later. (I feel it's also worth noting that Tucker was not an ancap, he was an individualist anarchist derived from the mutualist tradition)

>Argument: kids are literally incapable of reasoned arguing due to the fact that their brains are still developing. We don't let them vote for this same reason.

Okay. So are you arguing it is okay to hit any child jut because "their brains are still developing" or just it is okay to hit one that happens to be your biological offspring.

Could I go out and punch a random 12 year old in the face because their behaviour annoyed me and get away with it and use the defence "his brain was still developing" in court?

>Don't spit on people. Be polite

Are you seriously suggesting you are incapable of bring up a child to not spit and have basic manners without doing something to then that would get you arrested by the police if you did it to anyone else's child or anyone else at all?

>I'm literally incapable of outwitting a child, so therefore must hit him

Love it, fellas

Welp, time to beat it harder than a red-headed stepchild

The lower classes shall be beaten senseless in childhood to act as reliable tools for the higher castes, while noble children shall be brought up to flower as much as possible, for the chance to create the überman

All who protest this sacred order shall be killed on the spot

>hit
I'd appreciate it if you'd use correct terminology here instead of being blatantly biased and retarded in an attempt to make us appear more retarded than you are.

A hit implied a strike, a forceful blow with a balled fist or something. A spank is specifically designed to not do lasting harm. They sting like a motherfucker but unless you pull out a belt or a switch (which I do find a bit barbaric specifically because they can do lasting harm) that kid can sit on his ass 5 minutes later and be perfectly fine.
Spanks are sharp, acute, short pains that get the point across to any kid far better than talking does. 3 year olds do not have any ability to reason or think long term or really even short term. They're 3.
And see, kids develop the personality they'll have for the rest of their life by the age of 3. That's why bribing kids to get them to behave is such a terrible idea. Because they'll pretty much expect that their entire life from then on, it's not what is right or wrong it's what will you give me.

You can relearn a personality of course, but that takes significantly more effort than just teaching a 3 year old not to be a shit head instead of trying to get an angst filled hormone rattled confused teenager to stop being a brat.

And this is not a 1 to 1 thing even. Sometimes a kid really can be put in line by verbal punishment, but that's rare. Most children are selfish, short term thinking brats and need to learn how to not be like that. My grandmother got spankings, her sister did not. In part because her sister was just better behaved, but also because she reacted very strongly to verbal and attention based punishment.

I can tell you the most selfish, the biggest assholes, and the most insufferable cunts I've ever met were the kids who didn't get spanked. It seems like all these neo liberal fucks never got spankings either. Makes you think, doesn't it.

>the überman
>a weak little faggot who never received a slap in his life
nope
what happened to the noble ideal of the proud knights who would also be the physical and martial elite ?

Violence should not be used to subjugate the child, but to heighten the feeling of power

No, you ass, you can't go around punching kids. You aren't responsible for raising them, their parents are.

Your asinine arguments are proof of why spanking is important. Your faggot dad didn't ever discipline you because grandpa hurt his feefees, and now you have a warped view of what it takes to raise a kid.

I sure can't wait for your next false equivalence and loaded terminology though.