What is the most aesthetic form of government? Factoring out all practical and ethical concerns

What is the most aesthetic form of government? Factoring out all practical and ethical concerns.

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>slandering such a good man with lies
You're either a traitorous rightwinger or some retard leftist, which is it?

They're all pretty ugly when you look under the hood.

Maybe Athenian style direct democracy on a small scale.

It's just a picture to get people to click the thread and answer the question, stop overreacting.

Parliamentary monarchy

But it all stacks up unfortunately.

I have no idea how a government is aesthetic.

If you mean good, I've always pushed the idea of "follow scientific consensus" on things theres a consensus and "let the people decide" on everything else (as long as it doesn't significantly undercut the consensus).

Was about to say this

>I have no idea how a government is aesthetic.
Really?

>good man
kek

OP's image is excessive, but Trump hardly qualifies as a good man. You want a "Good man" capitalist? Look at Bill Gates, not at Trump. God he's a fucking meme. Everything he's done to make money involves loopholes, sleaziness, loans, bankruptcies, cronyism, and just general financial wankery. He doesn't produce goods or services. He doesn't make groundbreaking innovations in any industry.

>it all stacks up
No, it really doesn't, have a fucking punch to the face image, faggot. The establishment paints him as a monster when in reality he's just a shrewd New York businessman. So yes, he is vicious and vindictive, but sadly the rest of the things on that list besides overreacting to criticism and claiming everyone loves him, is false.

I don't know why anyone has to bully this man just because he triggers people's feelings. Like yours.

Logically he's going to attack back if you attack him with the media. What the hell do you expect from an anti-establishment candidate?

Jesus Christ, give him a fucking break.

Meritocratic anarchy.

A monarchy or aristocracy of some kind. One of the forgotten advantages of Monarchy in particular was that kings were expected to fund culture in someway. Most of this was for their own conceit, to have the most lavish, luxurious court in Europe, but still it was responsible for the creation of some of our finest culture.

Most governments born out of enlightenment thinking, due to an overbearing focus on utility, can never really have good aesthetics. I'd honestly say German fascism was the last one of merit. Despite denying the validity of any art that was sufficiently folkish there was a value in their own commentary on so called "degenerate art" and promotion of what was considered to be truly good, beneficial art. I guess these days that'd be a waste of taxpayer money.

Aesthetic?

Easy, fascism.

He's a meme but he's the best we have so far. Would you rather a criminal in office or a crooked businessman?

Italian fascism and futurism was pretty dank

True word senpai, completely slipped my mind.

Fuck off to /pol/ if you want to talk about current politics.

Im not a huge trump supporter but what bullshit pic

>just a shrewd New York businessman

Its well known that over 10% of wall street is psychopaths.

>cruel
>oppressor

I don't like Trump at all but aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves?

Stop using the word "aesthetic," you stupid faggots. I wish I could punch you in the face, cunt.

Vaporwave is responsible for this

>"We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."

What did he mean by this?

There are terrorists on the internet and we have to stop them. These are bad bad people, believe me. Bill Gates invented the internet.

Holy shit it's real. I thought you were just making those fake quotes that kind of sound like something Trump would say.

Fantastic post, sir. Everyone look at this post. It is fantastic, a truly fantastic post. A young man here. He has autism, but he can still make fantastic posts. Let me ask you something, young man. Were you vaccinated? Looks to me like you were, but that didn't stop you, did it? You overcame that vaccination and still made a fantastic post.

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Trump Warudo President desu~

Now this is the kind of satire that we need, that our country needs right now, I tell ya. That is some strong satire, not only is it strong satire but it's smart. We're gonna make satire stronger, smarter, and better that it's ever been before. And you can count on that.

We're gonna make a shitpost and I can GUARANTEE you that we'll make /pol/ pay for it.

>dictators love other dictators
what did they meme by this?

Trump can be a bit goof but nationalism without being bought off by special interests. Yes please!

A fellow user was talking to me the other day. He said, well he said to me, "user, you make some fantastic posts." I look around at all these posters and I see posts I like to see. Don't forget to buy a hat!

I actually bought a hat a couple days ago.

One run by fashion designers.

America has special responsibilities to uphold the liberal world order that it created out of WW2.

As attractive as it sounds to dismiss problems overseas as 'not our problem', that fact of the matter it is. Nobody else in the world is capable like America to deter potential aggression wherever it appears. It is in America's interest to support a world of democracy, freedom and peace.

NAWWW fuck globalism. We aren't obligated to do shit. We're building a wall, bringing our manufacturing back home, and charging a service fee for our foreign military bases. MAGA

>America has special responsibilities to uphold the liberal world order that it created out of WW2

Bullshit. A government should put its own people first, or else it's no proper government at all.

Interior Decoracy

whoa... I'm now a #shill4hill

That's what Americans believed in the 1920s & 30s.

"The League of Nations was a mistake!", "We want a return to normalcy!"

What happened was that autocratic regimes were allowed to embark of campaigns of aggression undeterred by a weak international response and ultimately plunge the world into the most deadly conflict of human history.

It is in America's interest to uphold the order of the world, even if it doesn't seem like it. No other country has the resources to take on that responsibility. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away.

>uphold the order of the world
>America

>the League of Nations wasn't a mistake
Wilson you're dead. Stop shitposting

They have terrible aesthetic though

Those problems started when Wilson inserted his shitty ideas into the Allied negotiations of WW1 and totally destroyed the order of an entire continent. He did this because we didn't understand a single thing about the conflict we had gotten engaged in, and that is a repetitive factor. We didn't understand Austria-Hungary, we didn't understand Korea, we didn't understand Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, or Iraq, and we definitely don't understand Syria right now. We threw our ideals around mindlessly and hoped they would work wherever they fell. It doesn't help that in trying to fix the world's problems we've forgotten about America's problems.

Small republic

A la minarchism. Think Rapture

Monarchy, duh.

Theocracies at second runner up.

Everyone calls him a racist, but nobody can actually point out anything racist he's said or done.

Like seriously, Monarchies.

Look at this shit.

Can democracy/fascism/communism even compete?

He wants to build a wall to stop Mexicans, and he wants to bar Muslims, how the hell is that not racist?

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Populist republic

Just look at these guys

How can monarchs even compete

He wants to build a wall to stop illegal immigrants and he wants to stop terrorists from getting in to America.
How is that racist?
How is religion a race?

>inb4 Ceos and Magnates.
Plebs
>Fascist Nazi Uniforms
Aping monarchist fashion & military culture.
>Communists
Aping Fascists. With less decorations this time.

They're so good at what they do

If we had a similar problem with Quebecois I'd vote for a wall too. This group happens to be brown though so people assume it's racism.

Tbh unless they can be very extensively vetted as having no ties to terror organizations and have a job lined up over here fuck letting in more Muslims and fuck the refugees especially.

God bless

Hot

>Those problems started when Wilson inserted his shitty ideas into the Allied negotiations of WW1 and totally destroyed the order of an entire continent

Wilson historically lobbied for a light peace and America's role in drawing up the settlement was considerably smaller than Britain & France's. Based on this statement alone and the importance you attribute to Wilson himself leads me to believe you haven't done any reading on the subject.

>We didn't understand Austria-Hungary, we didn't understand Korea, we didn't understand Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, or Iraq, and we definitely don't understand Syria right now.

You're just listing every military intervention America has been involved in you can think of off the top of your head and lumping them together. There's no substance to your argument whatsoever.

The ideals of self-determination, the freedoms of speech, religion, & press, and free trade are values that are worthy upholding. The measure of foreign policy isn't 'success vs failure'. Foreign policy will never achieve everything it sets out to and the road will always be fraught with disappointment. But what matters is whether action was better than inaction, and more often than not, it is.

The painting was made in a democracy

The colors are so perfect

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

We have a winner!

Lafayette his aesthetic superiority

>Democracy has 0 shit to paint about
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why did they post Trump picture instead of Hitlery Clinton?

>The ideals of self-determination, the freedoms of speech, religion, & press, and free trade are values that are worthy upholding

To what extent, and why is it our job? Because we're the best at it? America's first core ideals were of not being fucked with, and we determined early on this is the best way to gain prosperity. Military intervention can never replicate the factors it took for America to grow into the state it is today.

Was goat Mussolini's fursona?

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>To what extent, and why is it our job? Because we're the best at it?

Because we're the only country capable of it. It rests on America's shoulders like Atlas. Every president since Roosevelt, who created the new world order from the ashes of WW2, understood this. America has special responsibilities. Turning away from those responsibilities or rejecting them, doesn't mean someone else will pick up the slack, it means the world becomes less stable, less secure.

The only reason the current world order of liberal democracy with America at the vanguard was created was to prevent another collapse in international systems like the one that caused WW2. Upholding that order and preventing another collapse is America's duty.

Unfortunately stuff like Libya and Syria show we can destabilize as much as stabilize.

Fascist dictatorship with a monarchy

Acknowledged, there will always be missteps along the way, but shirking those responsibilities doesn't make anything better.

I suppose I'll vote Trump out of spite to anger customers who ask what I voted for and I can gladly tell them that I efficiently cancelled out their vote.

In what cases is it our responsibility to decide what's best for the world? You act like liberal democracy is a universal ideal when you should realize that's complete nonsense. Look at what we've done in the past 60 years to uphold liberal democracy worldwide. We totally crushed the early Korean economy and political structure then justified it by telling them "at least you're not the North". In South America we funded insurrectionists or anti-insurrectionists at whim and turned previously prosperous or rapidly developing countries into povertous shitholes. In the Middle East we supported total Saudi domination of economy and trade, then turned our backs when they undermined other countries with religious turmoil. We supported the European Union, which federalized the sovereign states of Europe and created an ideological dictatorship based on who prints everyone's money. We took secular Iran and tore it into a fanatical religious state. We then invaded Libya, bringing it the democracy it never needed, plunging it into anarchy, and left waving signs of "mission accomplished". Now we're supporting rebellions in Syria which is only serving to divide the state and turn it into one great feast for ISIS.

If this ideal of liberal democracy is so fundamental and important to all people that we have to bomb them to make them understand, why has it rarely done any good? The fact is the government should not act like a righteous organization dedicated to preserving world order, because true world order at this stage in human development is absolutely impossible, but to fulfill the duties that any government should fulfill and put its country first.

It does when those responsibilities become more destructive than constructive. Obama is actually beginning to handle things well, and now fifty foreign policy guys signed something telling him to start doing to more to worsen Syria.

The interests we are serving are out of step. We need to stop being the world police and start transitioning to regions each having their own powers policing them.

>In what cases is it our responsibility to decide what's best for the world?

Obviously there is no concrete international authority to dictate right from wrong. The arena of international relations is anarchic and ultimately power politics is what enforces acceptable behavior among states. America's responsibility stems from its central & irreplaceable role in building & maintaining that stable world order that was created out of WW2.

>You act like liberal democracy is a universal ideal when you should realize that's complete nonsense.

This is a matter of opinion, and furthermore, it can be no other way. The current world order was built on democracy and other liberal ideas. Regardless of how valid you think it is, it is the foundation of our current system (one that thus far has been remarkable peaceful & prosperous for all those involved).

As for your one sided laundry list of grievances against US foreign policy (some more valid than others), it ignores the immense good that a US led world has done. The Marshall plan rebuilt Western Europe. Aid to Turkey & Greece kept them free nations. American military vigilance kept the USSR in check, and quite possibility kept all of Western Europe from turning into socialist satellites. Under the stable hegemony of the US that promotes free trade global poverty rates have plummeted, armed conflicts have remained relatively small & localized, and living standards have risen to higher than ever before.

It's easy to point at perceived failures and throw your hands in the air. What's difficult is to understand the complexities of those decisions and to acknowledge that in foreign policy you're largely operating in a grey area between 'success' & 'failure', where your outcomes are uncertain and rarely ever do you get everything you hope for. Ultimately what's important is upholding the order and preventing another catastrophic collapse like WW2, and that can only come from American vigilance.

>trump
>a good man

any actual good man that has done good for the world would disagree with you.

Ben Carson is a doctor.

Gotta be honest, shit like this really rustles my jim jams. In context, what Trump was suggesting was a pretty good point. ISIS has been using twitter and youtube etc. to meme support and recruit for years now. Trump is talking about trying to hit their communications network in the ME to limit their ability to recruit people and raise support in the west.

Yeah he's a 70 year old man who probably has no idea how that shit works, but the idea is solid and pretty uncontroversial. But every article I see makes it look like he said "BILL GATES GIVE ME THE KEYS TO THE INTERNET SO I CAN SHUT IT DOWN BECAUSE I HATE BROWN PEOPLE" and everyone writes it off as lol Drumpf so crazy, or confirms that he is literally Hitler.

I'm not saying he's not an asshole, but he's not some kind of supervillain either.

Theocracy

he's also insane.

>public sector
>its criminal
>private sector
>its just business
For the record I hate them both.

>wearing a church on your head

>illegal immigrants and muslims are a race

>>public sector
>>its criminal
>>private sector
>>its just business
Trump has never let any of his employees get murdered by terrorists because he couldn't be fucked to get out of bed at 3 am

Bigoted. Are you happy now

Depends not so much upon the form of government but upon the aesthetic preference of the populace at large.

For example, I'd consider 19th century republics aesthetic af but modern republics largely lack that element.

Neither has Shillary. Trump has however, has gotten some of his executives killed while they were doing business for Trump.

Possibly early Soviet gommunism or Italiam Fascism.

Generally most radical movements rely much on aesthetics. As a rule of thumb ask /pol/ whether they think that the government in question is degenerate. They are all radical chic babies.

Guess how I can detect the sisisi.

Not at all given his history.

Fascist Monarchy

Could you imagine the architecture, ceremonies and fashion?

Get off our board stormfag

He's a terrible businessman. After adjusting for inflation, he's lost actual billions of the money he inherited from his father.

Someone needs to watch Ben Building. Fascist architecture was utter garbage.

>inherets a few million dollars
>ends up with a few billion dollars
>aktually he lost money he only made money cause of inflation

What are we Zimbabwe now your sources suck and your shit's all fucked up go away.

You just know 1) America doesn't allow dictators, 2) allows at worst authoritative presidents that will btfo in 4 or 8 years 3) that's not always a bad thing.

While the guy you quoted is wrong, Trump is notorious for starting up companies, paying himself with investor money, going against the wishes of his investors, transferring his personal debt to his company then filing for chapter 11, making his junk bonds worthless and causing everyone who invested with him to lose money

Leave it to a Trump supporter to resort to violence when confronted with words.