What is fascism?

t. antifa drugtard

You win everything

I feel like this is not fascism. Some of those do describe fascism, but others no.
>labor suppressed
Nope. I don't know about Italian fascism, but national socialism put huge emphasis on workers
>disdain for intellectuals and the arts
It supported a reinvigoration of art and intellectualism.
>disdain for human rights
Nope
>rampant sexism
Germany in this period was filled with high ranking women more so than capitalist countries

Fascism just means "bound-together-in-unity-ism"

The third form of Socialism!

> It supported a reinvigoration of art and intellectualism.
That is why leading intellectuals kind of decided to abandon Germany?

So we live in a fascist society? Neat.

Socialism for fools

>nope
So the invasion of other countries and genocide of Jews wasn't a violation of human rights?

It was perfectly legal, Hitler even signed the law.

The reactionaries' response to the 20th century

That doesn't mean it's not a violation of human rights

>Nope. I don't know about Italian fascism, but national socialism put huge emphasis on workers
They also banned all trade unions not run by the state.
Also, sorry for asking, but would you say the Soviet Union can't be said to have suppressed workers as well because they put a big emphasis on them?

>disdain for art
>elections
>Hitler
>corporate power protected
>nigger it's used to better the nation
>religion
>government
>intertwined

Everything right wing or conservative enough for you to dislike it. Sometimes "right wing" may be substituted by "unpopular".

>2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Wouldn't this mean that it will only be fascistic to very small number of people?

So only a very small number of people are the happy ones under the color? Have the power to even think or make a distinction between ideologies like fascism or other views.

Nobody will never really know, because it was only briefly experienced by humanity and it happened in different places with different characteristics.

The only thing that is common to all of them is the ideal of a strong nation, militarily, economically socially and politically, achieved trough a one party system, investments in the economy trough the alliance of private companies and the State, less than normal tolerance for internal opposition, and a high social order in function of a moral, patriotic people.

Only the ones considered degenerate or "Jewish". Fascism only accepts a certain line of thinking, within their acceptable parameters, they certainly encouraged science (and pseudoscience) and arts.

Holy shit this one ate up the /pol/ propaganda like Foie Gras.

>Nope. I don't know about Italian fascism, but national socialism put huge emphasis on workers
Labor unions were supressed in both Italy and Germany and the minimum wage in Germany was fixed to what it was during the Great Depression.
>It supported a reinvigoration of art and intellectualism.
Only for the use of propaganda. Any artist that didn't approve of the regime was oppressed and both Hitler and Mussolini ordered the destruction of art and literature which did not concord with the ideology of the state.
>Nope
Lmao. The concentration camps, Confini, Italian and German racial laws, the Holocaust and the German treatment of Slavs on the Eastern Front weren't all violations of basic human rights?
>Germany in this period was filled with high ranking women more so than capitalist countries
Because they used women to guard the concentration camps and as human shields from lack of manpower towards the end of the war? Oh yeah, true equality.

Everything that I dislike.

The theory that people are more than atoms, and societies are more than atomized individuals, and the political corollaries of it.

Everything that I like.

>Jews
>human

>1307405
You thought you'd get a (You) this easily didn't you

The belief in a one sided coin.

This is the most retarded - and incorrect - definition of fascism that I have read here.

No, fascism is not the bogeyman who lives under your bed.

It is a collectivist and socialist ideology, which views the nation as an unbreakable unit. State, people, corporations, trade unions - all must work in synchrony, uniformly.

The natural result is a totalitarian anti-capitalist state, that attempts to control everything, unrestrained. Had strong support in urban working classes. The idiots who believed that the blessings of civilization were natural rights, and demanded it from the state.

Berlin was considered a degenerate filth hole at the time. The same type of place where menstrual blood paintings could be considered "art". I support the burning of any art similar to that.

Besides that there were a lot of Jewish people in Germany at the time, what are the chances that at least some of them may have been considered intellectuals?

XD

You lose any claim to rationality when you revoke the humanity of other homo sapiens.

Don't reply to them, you're basically trying to educate a person who's retarded enough to get their opinions from /pol/ to begin with. You will NOT change their minds, /pol/ provides the only acceptance to these retarded autists that they so desperately crave. In addition they think they're the epitome of logic and reason (aka unwarranted self importance and smugness). Just tell them to piss off, they'll retreat to their hugbox with a screencap and go "LOL SUCH A NON-ARGUMENT RIGHT GUISE OY VEY XD"

Yeah here is a rebuttal (the link) to those fourteen meme points that literal 15 year old anarco-communists like to spout. If you ever see anyone post those points immediately disregard them. Any one who actually thinks that people who are trying to set up any sort of decent fascist system is like checking that shit off of their list like "Shit do we have rampant sexism? No? Well get on it!" Is retarded. It should take you 5 seconds flat when looking into the source to see the bias and misinformation.
t. Literally F. Hitler
therightstuff.biz/2014/01/22/fascism-no-one-a-response-to-dr-laurence-britt/

>The natural result is a totalitarian anti-capitalist state, that attempts to control everything, unrestrained

Yes, and this is what the guy you were responding to essentially defined Fascism as: its natural result rather than its theoretical basis.

People do the same here all the time with Communism. To them, Communism has nothing to do with Marx's theories, and everything to do with Stalin, Mao, Kim, etc.

>therightstuff
>basically /pol/ outside of /pol/

Well meme'd friend

And here's a meme bois.

>TRS

Kill yourself

I have faith that you can occasionally pull a misguided youth back from the brink of insanity, using logic, but for the most part, you're correct.

Fantastic counterpoint

It's just banter m8

You'd say the exact same thing if I used fucking Vox/Salon/Buzzfeed as an argument, faggot. Get a real source.

Yea except every single point in that article is literal /pol/ propaganda that he swallowed like the nigger cum you swallow every night. No one has to refute unbacked assertions from a edgyass "HITLER DINDU NUFFIN" website

>Italian racial laws

Explain this.

national bolshevism tbqh

Did you read the source faggot? Did you see their sources faggot? Here ill make it easy for you, here is the "Dr" that wrote these 14 points. “For your information I never made a claim that I was a “Dr.” Someone on the internet made that ASSUMPTION when they passed on the article. I am a retired businessman with a life long interest in history and current events. I have a personal book collection on these subjects of over 3000 volumes. I’ve contributed chapters to three books, written another and am working on a second. I’ve written approximately 25 magazine and newspaper articles on political and economic affairs. I spent about 200 hours researching the fascism article building on a lifetime interest in the subject. My novel, “June, 2004″ was written in 1997 and published in 1998. It was a fictional treatment of a future of fascism in America, which has turned out quite predictive of actual events since it was published.”

And the author of the article " So, we have established that there is no Dr. Laurence Britt, only Laurence Britt, retired businessman. So what was the inspiration for his article? As it turns out, it was nothing more than a propaganda piece intended to serve as an argument claiming the Bush administration was in fact, Fascist and that it was a basis for his book “June 2004,” in which America descends into Fascism following the election of a strangely Bush-like far-right politician" locate your point of contingency faggot. But again great counterpoint but I would like your works cited page for later.

>1a) Patriotism is independent of Fascism.
>1b) One can love one's local/geographical place of origin and still have disdain for nation states, propaganda, and power grabs by Fascists. If fascists tried to take over my nation from the inside, it would be Patriotism among other things that would compel me to fight them off. Sooo, first point moot.
2) Desire for justice? Every ideology claims this.
3) Immunity to liberal programming AND subjection to conservative programming. You forgot the second half.
4) Healthy sexuality. Code phrase for "I'm afraid of what happens when women, who I think of as my property, do what they want with their own bodies." Health is an oft-cited objection to promiscuity, interracial sex, etc. but the simple fact of the matter is that you can be promiscuous and healthy so long as you get yourself and your partners checked up by a doctor before fucking. Also, Mussolini had mistresses. Funny to see him in this pic.
5) Respect for culture and aesthetics. Unless they disagree with your sentiments, then into the fire it goes. Get real.
6) Knowledge of the truth.
Knowledge is never complete. Anyone who claims to have the entire truth is playing a political game.
7) Masculinity. Another byword for "If the young men in my nation aren't war-mongering homogeneous simpletons, something's gone wrong!"
8) Disdain for stasis... not sure I even understand what is meant by this. Fascism is conservative, and so wishes things to remain the same, except for perhaps technology, but then again if information technology gets out of control fascists throw a hissy fit because it means they have more difficulty controlling what people think.
>9) Passion for righteous violence. "I am judge, jury, and executioner. Adhere to my ideology."
10) Opposition to materialism. Another thing so many ideologies claim, and yet adherents of the ideology find themselves time and time again unable to separate themselves from material concerns.
My post is too long now.

Yea except trying to attack the person who wrote the thing doesn't exactly mean much. I don't even think that those 14 points are well made. But TRS spits out random bullshit that they picked up from Nazi propaganda documents, or just shit they saw from /pol/. None of those were any real arguments with a credible source.
It's possible to criticize fasicsm much better than that "dr" did, but that doesn't change that the article was a bunch of fucking horseshit.

fixed your poster

Identify. Points. Of. Contingency.

Literally said it was a meme and you are still this triggered. Top laf senpai.

Pls leave Marxist in hell

Palingenetic ultranationalism.

kek

>Physical health is the only concern when it comes to sexuality
This is what hedonists ACTUALLY believe

Fantastic straw man you've built there.

Google it.

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I thought the same about you. There are people in this thread who are honestly arguing that fascism and national-socialism are anti-art when in reality they were a font of aestheticism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Racial_Laws

It only happened after the pact of steel and when Italy got cucked by Germany.

Arguments? Nah. I don't see any here. ;^)

Would you agree with these laws if you learned that Jews really are a hyper-ethnocentric subversive element?

Italian fascism was essentially replaced by German national socialism when Italy entered and alliance with Germany. It even says in the Wikipedia page that anti-semitism was only prevalent in German communities to the north.

So?

Italy didn't really have racial laws like claimed

Wicked mental gymnastics there dude.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Racial_Laws

From my understanding, it was just a name for whatever the fuck Italy/Mussolini wanted at the time. I'd love to hear a rigid and set in stone definition though.

There will never be one.

Just go with the etymology: fascia

And of course the suffix -ism an ideology, system of thought, or practice.

Spotted the commie kike

also >666 trips

interglacial.com/pub/text/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_Fascism.html

socialism is socialism for fools

>Eternal Fascism

And Mussolini did that when...?

The Catholic right wing.

As if human rights actually exist. We humans create laws and rights, it's not like they exist on their own.

>
I actually haven't thought about it like that. *a jones shrieks in the distance* WE'RE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING AHHHHHHHH

Convince the country that the germs where a good ally.

>fascism is conservative

holy shit you couldnt be more wrong. Are you American

>Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
kek
From what propaganda book you took that

>Labor unions were supressed in both Italy and Germany and the minimum wage in Germany was fixed to what it was during the Great Depression.
Implying labor unions are the only way to support the workers and not a marxist subversive stratagem
>Only for the use of propaganda. Any artist that didn't approve of the regime was oppressed and both Hitler and Mussolini ordered the destruction of art and literature which did not concord with the ideology of the state.
What the fuck is modern art them? Have you never read your share of neomarxism such as adorno, horkheimer or any other of these cunts? Have you tried making a neoclassical painting at a typical liberal university arts undegratuate course?
>Lmao. The concentration camps, Confini, Italian and German racial laws, the Holocaust and the German treatment of Slavs on the Eastern Front weren't all violations of basic human rights?
Implying all these are true and implying the current climate of self destructive cuckoldry respects human rights anywaysoever. Good luck when the muslims come for your non binary deerkin boyfriend.
>Because they used women to guard the concentration camps and as human shields from lack of manpower towards the end of the war? Oh yeah, true equality.
hahaha ha hah hah ha
You are funny boi. I wonder if you ever felt curiosity to check whether this was true or not.

If everything is relative including morality, why is there anything wrong with me physically removing you?

t. antifa

Just because labor unions were suppressed and minimum wages were reduced, people stopped working? Are you retarded?
>hurr durr they banned shit modernist art so it was only propaganda

You realize that labor unions don't actually do jack shit for worker's rights, right?

It wasn't part of the fascist ideology, though. You can't say it's a defining characteristic of fascism, nor it was one of the pursued targets

I disagree, therefore /pol/!
Oh its not /pol/? Fuck you it's still/pol/!

But can you back up your claims?

How can one man be so retarded

Not even that user but holy shit you ignore veritable mountains of historical evidence if you think unions don't assist workers

Unions don't help workers and they only serve the corrupt leaders.

Fucking fascists I swear to god they ruin every thread

Kind of like how your kind accuses everyone who disagrees with you of being SJWs. Regardless if they show any actual signs of this. Or are even left wing!

Eat a fucking dick.

Fascists are alright when they aren't Race Separatist faggots.

Anything I don't like.