Russia

These desu, they should drop the puppet show and go full on militarist autocracy

There's a reason the democracies survived WW1 and none of the empires did.

Even the empire that was on the winning side disintegrated from the sheer stress

You can't have a country without democratic institutions and expect it not to be crippled by incompetence and the need for constant repression.

They occupied Finnish Karelia and now it is a desolate shithole where everything is control by the mafia and half the population are alcoholics. Fuck off Russian occupant and gibe back rightful Finnish clay.

Mother Fing Russia!

>western degeneracy
youtube.com/watch?v=ul4BJGEw4Ro

Heoбyчaeмocть.

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they're literally the outermost periphery of Western Civilization. They have to be that way to withstand the onslaught from the hostile lesser cultures that surround them.

Kek, putinism at work

Kys, russia was never part of "western civilization", even the vatniks themselves outright reject this bogus classification

> wanting to life in sin city instead of modern city with all kind of colors

> vatniks themselves
Well, they are retards. More news on eleven.

>went from monarchy to communism to "democracy" in less than a century
Russians truly are mindless sub-humans destined to servitude

Russia is Western in the same way Turks are.

We're working on it lads

> now it is a desolate shithole where everything is control by the mafia and half the population are alcoholics

Sound like the rest of Finland.

How is that degenerate?

t. Mehmet

Turks are not western at all.

youtube.com/watch?v=HE6rSljTwdU

This should be obligatory to watch.

Russia has always been a very unforgiving territory right out the gate. surrounded by many great powers, nothing but flatland as far as you can see, and in invasion superhighway in the north European Plain.

The main goal of Russia ever since its inception was security by expanding until they reached a geographic barrier they could use for defense. So in order to galvanize so many people for this effort, a strong central government was needed to ensure their objectives were completed, from expanding until they reached the Pacific, reaching the Carpathian mountains, and building St. Petersburg out of essentially nothing.

strong central control was also needed to keep the empire together. Example being Chechnya, once regions have any form of self-determination, they break away at the very first chance, but the territory they take with them is necessary to ensure security so they have to crush it.

all of this comes to a head in WW2, where Germany makes a full effort to exterminate the Russians, and Russia was in the end strong enough to fend it off, which would have been unable to do in a democracy, which is exemplified by the republic's failure in WW1.

tl;dr: it's kinda necessary for the survival of the Russian people, they would have gone extinct long ago if not for their brutal policies.

Exactly.

I should also add that Putin's Russia is actually a very far cry from the brutal regimes of Russia's past, there's central control yes, but to call today's Russia despotism on the same level as Stalin's Russia and Ivan VI's Tsardom is simply an uninformed.

Neither are Russians

The Chinese never bothered Russians.

In fact, it was the other fucking way around.

>Russia has always been a very unforgiving territory right out the gate
True, but unforgiving as in having small amounts of resources and mostly terrible soil. That's where Russian collectivism stems from.

>nothing but flatland as far as you can see, and in invasion superhighway in the north European Plain.
>Only mountains make good natural borders meme
Sea to the North.
Sea and swamps to the Northwest
Swamps and forests to the West.
Forests to the Southwest
Steppe and Don river to the South. That's the one actually dangerous part of Russian geographic position.
Volga to the East

>a strong central government was needed to ensure their objectives were completed

>from expanding until they reached the Pacific
Yeah, they defended themselves all the fucking way through North Asia. Do you realize how ridiculous that actually sounds? Ural mountains make excellent 100% natural borders anyway.
>reaching the Carpathian mountains
Only in 1939.
>and building St. Petersburg out of essentially nothing
Saint Petersburg was a trade port to use instead of Arkhangelsk and a modernization effort.

Russia is a colonial empire that didn't have a sea barrier separating the core from them, nothing more. That's not to say vast plains and horrible conditions didn't influence Russian mentality because they did but geographic securitization of Russian history is outright absurd. They expanded because they could, just like English or French or Portuguese.

They weren't so much concerned with the Chinese as they were concerned over another possible mongol/Turkic invasion from the east.

Also with access to the Pacific, they can get in on trade with China directly, just as Britain and France were doing from Singapore/Indochina.

Criticism of Putin is done by Russian Jews who live in America and hate Putin for persecuting Jewish oligarchs.

These people don't really care about "despotism". They were in charge during Russia at it's most despotic regime, the Stalinist period of 1929 to 1936 and they didn't complain. They didn't complain when Yeltsin cooperated with American Jews from Harvard to loot Russia neither.

Overall, modern Russia is more free than the Western world, there is more variety of socially acceptable thinking than in the U.S., for example. In Russia you can be a liberal, a conservative, a nationalist, a monarchist or even a fascist. In modern U.S. you are either a progressive or you are shamed and bullied into irrelevance with employment opportunities being denied to you for challenging progressive hegemony.

> mostly terrible soil.
Russia (and Ukraine) has excellent, very fertile soils, chernozem.

Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door, /pol/'s ten boards down.

You don't need to be Anti-Semitic to know Jews have an antagonistic relationship with Russians. They still desire vengeance over the pogroms committed in the late XIXth and early XXth centuries.

Now, I consider the Red Terror, dekulakization and the privatization in the 1990s to be enough revenge, but clearly many Jews feel they don't have enough and they still hate Russia and Russian people and want to see them suffer. If you look at "pundits" who make Anti-Putin propaganda in the West (ex: Masha Gessen, Julia Ioffe, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick etc) they are all Jews. Without exception.

>Bolsheviks were not Russian

Where were the Jews during holodomor? Or during Stalin's ramping up of gulags?

Admit it: Russians have brought all their failings upon themselves. Jews, as usual, just as in Nazi Germany, are a scapegoat for national decay. Jews didn't destroy Russia. Russians did.

>Criticism of Putin is done by Russian Jews who live in America

This is correct, but not complete.

Everyone hates Russia. They're niggers with nuclear weapons.

Putin is a representative of their tendency to chimp out instead of just imitating a system that actually works.

Most weren't, and those who were Russians were also the least violent and bloodthirsty, such as Nikolai Bukharin.

The Jews in the Bolshevik Party, such as Leon Trotsky and Lev Kamenev wanted literally the enslavement of Russian people (under collectivization of agriculture and militarization of urban labour). These policies cannot be distinguished from their Jewish ethnicity. They supported such harsh policies because they were Jews.

>Where were the Jews during holodomor? Or during Stalin's ramping up of gulags?

Heading the NKVD and implementing dekulakization.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich

Of course, Russians share responsability. My point wasn't about that, though. My point is that Jews hate Russians and they want revenge against Russians over the pogroms. Jewish support for certain policies such as dekulakization, privatization and now anti-Putin propaganda can't be separated from this revenge desire.

senpai...france and britain had substantial empires. democratic institutions also don't prevent repression, they just have more license to do so because the political elite claim to rule in the people's name and are voted in by elections. in any case wartime britain and france were repressive, the latter approaching full blown dictatorship under clemenceau, who mercilessly crushed opposition and a mutiny among the soldiers. To boot France and Britain had their fair share of incompetence, though you're right that the participatory western democracies mobilized their resources effectively. Then again, Italy is a huge counterexample, though in the end they didn't face any munities like france and they actually were able to augment their wartime industry greatly, though not without huge loans from the US and the other allies. Italy also had a much more repressive policy on the "home-front" by crushing dissent with the military, putting factory workers under martial law and passing harsh sentences on them. On the other hand, Russia never mobilized effectively as it could have for the war, nor did Austro-Hungary, but we all know Germany did. So therefore a more appropriate conclusion is that advanced economies prove better at fighting total wars, which is a run-of-the-mill conclusion desu

> They don't need western degeneracy
Russia has high crime rate (including violent crime and murders), criminal subculture is very popular, high AIDS rate, high divorce:marriage ratio and huge amount of single moms, high alcoholism rate, high tobacco smoking rate, krokodil (one of the worst drugs), widespread corruption and bribery, high suicide rate etc. Russia is more degenerate then West.
> hate Putin for persecuting Jewish oligarchs.
Russia has high income inequality, one of the lowest taxes on wealthy in the world, very high percentage of wealth owned by super-rich. Personally I don't care about nationality of oligarchs, I dislike them all, but about half of billionaires in Russia right now are Jews, so in Russia much higher share of wealth is owned by small amount Jews then in the West. Putin's regime defends interests of corrupt super rich people (many of whom are his personal friends).

>Heading the NKVD
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov

>implementing dekulakization.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov

>it isn't that people don't like me
>they just don't understand me, maaaan

The man who is good for excuses is seldom good for anything else.

bottom pic looks more comfy tho. who cares about historical buildings rofl

You see how their foreign holdings disintegrated, but the host societies didn't?

This is not a coincidence.

Democracy is a benefit to the country practicing democracy. It probably is milder on the rest of the world. Can't picture the Soviets giving up India.

Indeed, but I took your last sentence to imply that authoritarian governments cannot win total wars, which they can, of course. I also question the notion that empires collapsed because of the weakness of their institutions. I recognize that you may not have meant this, but I think we can't just dismiss the idea that geographical factors played a part in Russia's and Germany's defeat: the latter encircled by the Entente (though I've read this is an outdated theory, it seems like a critical factor to me) and the former lacking barriers to an advancing army, except its size, winters and poor infrastructure. The reluctance of the last Tsars to delegate power may well have derived from this sense of vulnerability (another possibly outdated theory kek) and the need to hold a vast empire together (fugg i just disproved myself :DDDD)

to put it into perspective, the Russian airforces eastern wing has problems flying their fighters because their soldiers drink the ethanol that is used on the plane. They hinder their own national security more so than their opponents.

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Literally.

I think as a whole, the war making capacity of democracies is better relative to their economy and resources compared to other systems.

But the bigger thing is that democracies don't have to invest as much in political repression. The elections keep people happy. You don't have the Moscow garrison deciding to side with the demonstrators against the police, because the politicians are people that the people in Moscow voted for.

Also, the democracies (at least the ones in the west) created independent civil services instead of relying on patronage to run their governments. This creates more efficient public services in just about every category.

Democracy is by now means a panacea, you need to build rule of law and constantly look for defects in the system, but history has shown that it's exceptionally strong if used well.

Are you a child? They weren't, at least their leadership wasn't.

Being under the thumb of the Mongols fucks you up forever.

Ironically, the same people who post this to "prove" that Russians are inferior seriously believe that when German cities are inhabited by Arabs and Blacks instead of Germans they will be better.

The alcoholism maybe, but the third world tier slavshit living conditions and mafia is not like finland.

Please forgive i am russia

youtu.be/afP71xwLI8Y
youtube.com/watch?v=jBqtQjJqSQw

youtube.com/embed/zk7AsSKSmoo

Holy shit man that's autistic.

For the record, that is not a tank but an infantry fighting vehicle known as the BMP-3.

>I know my IFV's guise
Its a BMD-2, check the number of roadwheels of the one in the video and cross reference it with that of a BMP-3 (BMD-2 have five roadwheels, BMP-3 have six), in addition to that the turret and the gun are that of a BMD-2, the gun looks like a 20mm, not a 100mm like in the BMP-3

>Putin
>persecuting Jewish oligarchs

It's a city state that acquired the largest empire in the world.

Jews still chimp out about him though and he did clip the wings of many Jewish oligarchs, especially those with foreign connections.

Russia's foray into democracy has been corrupted ever since birth. Since the end of Stalin's repressive government Russians would stop giving a shit about communist equality and start searching for the better life, and those who didn't escape abroad would find it within their country through corruption and black markets. The corruption and black markets would only gain more force in the late 80's when the weakened Soviet economy led to empty food shelves, and with the collapse of the Soviet Union those black markets would go on to become official businesses. Yeltsin's government is notorious for it's disastrous reforms, such as unsuccessful implementations of shock therapy, privatization which led to former soviet institutions falling into the hands of bandit oligarchs (a good bunch of them former soviet officials who escalated the dissolution of the USSR), all changes which increased crime and poverty in Russia to cosmic levels. Yeltsin himself would change from the charismatic leader he was in the late 80's into a disjointed maniac, who shelled the parliament because people refused to agree with his bullcrap, and started a war in Chechnya which laid to rest tens of thousands of young Russians and radicalized even more Muslims in Russia for no reason whatsoever other than to serve the oligarch's black market businesses and bolster the upcoming presidential elections. Being a drunkard Yeltsin was easy to manipulate for the oligarchs, but also because of his drinking problems he was seen as an incompetent leader in the eyes of the masses, plus the fact that his health kept deteriorating led to him abandoning his post for a new oligarch pawn. Initially Anatoly Sobchak was seen as a candidate, but former KGB officer Vladimir Putin instead became Prime Minister and later President of the Russian Federation, while Anatoly Sobchak would "mysteriously" die from a hearth attack a mere two months after Putin's inauguration.

A decade of stable economy due to high oil prices led to Putin's government being seen as a success, and Putin himself the best leader of Russia since Joseph Stalin, even though his government was a straight continuation of Yeltsin's government which favored oligarchs over the common mass, albeit with tighter media control (see: NTV change of management) and the occasional trial of an enemy oligarch (see: Khodorkovsky) for people to see that "things are different than what they used to be". Russia has all the resources to become a 1st world superpower, but instead as it stands it's just Moscow and St. Petersburg that are 1st world, with everything surrounding them being 2nd world, and the more you move to the East the more things become 3rd world.

It's silly to blame Putin for Russia's current state when the whole system, given birth by Russian mentality, is to blame. Putin himself acts as a pawn for bigger oligarch players, and even if Putin gets dethroned he will only be replaced by another pawn. The whole system needs to be eliminated, which cannot be done because it always revives itself due to Russian mentality. 1917 saw the elimination of the corrupt Tzarist state in favor of a never before tarnished Communist Utopia. Things got the way they were before with rape, corruption and murder, again, because good ol' Russian mentality never changes.

So in a tl;dr, things always get worse. Not once since their release from mongol slavery have Russians ever been free. Even when presented with the opportunity for freedom Russians always find a way to fuck things up and bring things back to a slave/master system yet again, be it under a King, a Tzar, a Dictator or President. The slave never changes.

oil prices dropped in 2015

But Crimea is Russia's! And Syrian terrorists fear Russia! And America is jealous of Russia for the first time since the Soviet Union! etc. etc.

Granted if things stay the same they are now it's only a matter of time. The nationalist card can only work for so long until your fridge beats the TV.

>shfgk

Eef your goying tu doe faux ciyrealic, at leest do eat raight

>joos were heads of the commies
>more than half of them executed in 1937-1939
:^)

T-thanks Russia

Overall it improved because of one very important reason.

No Germans.

This is the single case where it might not be an objective improvement.

> Russian mentality
Literally meme explanation, to be honest, Russian mentality isn't much worse than South Korean, for example.

>the brits gave up india nicely
>it wasn't because the RIN revolt, RIAF strike or the INA trials
eternal anglo get out.

>surrounded by many great powers
You are talking out of your ass

>Muh Imperium of Slav