Why is buying/selling sex bad?

Why is buying/selling sex bad?

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There's really no ethical reason, other than sex trafficking, and religious reasons. It's also unsanitary in common practice.

I bought pussy not too long ago it was nothing but a clean and professional experience by an of age independent woman not on drugs.

Because it sells the temple of God (the body) for paper printed by kikes.

>muh christian morals

It's bad for the same reason all fornication is. If you don't think fornication is objectionable, then nothing wrong with it, but if you do, then it is objectionable.

syphillis

Because it is wrong to pay people money for their use of body.

It's not.

Life exist to procreate, why not make it easier?

The eternal feminist/the eternal jewish book.

I feel like it might solve a lot of the insecurities men have about satisfying their own sexual desires. It would also offer a safe outlet to experiment with one's own sexuality in a safe controlled setting. Plus lets not forget that it cuts both ways, that men could be prostitues just as much as women as well.

In the U.S. we seem to have this social aversion to all things sex (straight or otherwise) yet we are bombbarded with sexual imagery all the time. It's about time we start to become comfortable with the idea that human by nature and design are sexual creatures.

STD's, associated with crack whores

What do you think of Aquinas' idea that criminalizing prostitution would be like removing the sewage system?

It's bad in the way that it gives the Sex Trafficking market a reason to exist, which should be fought against for all the lives the sex slavery market has destroyed.

also if you want a more sanitary reason, clamping down on prostitution and sex slavery does help prevent increasing STD infection rates in a nation.

Trick question, its not

>sex slavery market

Oh god, every single time people try to discuss buying/selling sex one of you faggots has to change the subject to this.

Nobody here is suggesting legalizing sex slavery.

Contributes to the potential for a complete lack of self control. The lack of self control and contentment is why the world is the way it is. Enough is never enough and when enough is never enough you find yourself exploiting poor nations and poor people for their resources.

Basically to understand the question you have to look at the broader context of what certain behaviors imply and lead to.

You're not understanding the argument, there is very good reason to believe and much evidence towards legalizing prostitution greatly increases the sex trade industry.

The feminist view is that undesired sex is traumatizing and not justified even if the prostitute consents.

If we heard that poor people were selling body parts to make ends meet, society would be shocked, we wouldn't allow it. Only the most autistic ancaps would fail to see that it is a step too far. I think this is how feminists view this, particularly those that were molested or raped and assume other women feel the same way as them.

Arguably if a woman does find it a traumatizing then it is bad, however some women do not.

In a way that makes it easier to do it legally and safely, because you don't have to work against society at large to do it.

Why fuck in some shady brothel when there's a clean one across the street that you have to have recent STD checks to even get in?

>Being this much of a cuck.
Just kidding, but I think the legalization of prostitution in the U.S. (where I live) would benefit the economy as well as women. The thing is that a lot of poor people DO sell sex to make ends meet, often in dangerous environments with dangerous people surrounding them. If prostitution were legalized, I'm sure it would benefit the women and men who are prostitutes to not be subservient to some pimp with a gun.
Since there are legal brothels in Australia, I think I'm going to do some quick research to see how that's going.

Again you're not understanding. The argument is that le magical happy nice legal brothels will be stocked with girls who are abducted.

Feminist logic:
Women should be allowed to abort. It's their body, nobody should tell them what to do with it.
But women should not be allowed to be prostitutes. It is our duty to make decisions about her body, because she's too misguided to think for herself.

Yeah, feminism has definitely become somewhat of a problematic (if I can borrow that word from them) ideology.

Kidnapping and slavery are already illegal. Why should that prevent a free woman from taking money for something she could give away for free?

There's been arguments made that it's good for relationship structures too, since there's less an incentive to base them solely around fucking.

If we can vent our need for sex without having to jump through flaming hoops with "dating" written on them with a sharpie marker, then we can focus more on other things as a society.

Why buy rufies and risk getting rape allegations when you can pay a bit more to have sex with somebody who actually wants it? The only people left would be the people crazy enough that they oughta be thrown in jail. The rest will be incentivized elsewhere.

PUA's would be even more laughable cunts, now that their "art" is even more worthless. People on the streets might see less harassment overall from the arrangement.

Sex in relationships would have a need to be more meaningful, as would be the partnerships in general in order for people to share an identity that is distinct from prostitute and buyer. Ironically, it may come back to being more for reproduction as we become acclimated to the idea that you can just go out and get sex as if it were any other need.

Though this is just a speculation, and I can imagine a bumpy road on the way; too.

>if I can borrow that word from them
They didn't make up that word, don't give them that kind of credit for overusing it.

Because laws are meant to protect people and if making prostitution legal causes other crimes such as kidnapping to increase, we ought not pass such a law.

If we were to pass such a law we as a society would be placing a higher premium on paying for an orgasm than preventing kidnapping and this is unjust to say the very least.

Most ideologies are. Wolves in sheep's clothing and etc.

And of the domestic stock that is both ready, willing, and cheaper; given that they have a minimum wage now?

Feminism (as in the umbrella term and not the internet meme) is actually somewhat divided on prostitution

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution

>If we were to pass such a law we as a society would be placing a higher premium on paying for an orgasm than preventing kidnapping
On the contrary, we would be providing an avenue for kidnapping victims to interact with the police without the stigma of being lawbreakers in their own right.

If they're legal, the government can come in and do an audit on all that nasty stuff.

Have you ever been to a strip club in South Florida? They're practically brothels. There's only one time on the news I can think of that a woman was there against her will.

it isn't

it's only considered immoral by some because they have sticks up their arses.

it's only illegal in some places because governments don't understand crime and economics.

If you legalised the sex industry throughout the world and allowed brothels, the government could make a nice buck from the sex industry via taxation. Overall crime would be reduced too since there'd be less need for pimping and trafficking.

Bingo, also if we legalized brothels, and make agents (pimps) register with the government like with a liquor or tobacco license the sex industry could be regulated to prevent widespread sexual slavery.

They've already been kidnapped though. If more go to the police that could easily be explained by the fact that more have been victimized.

At least minimum wage + commission? I wonder what kind of opportunity for advancement there would be... I feel like there's some room for creativity in a budding prostitution business.

Same thing as retail, you start out on the sales floor, eventually becoming a middle manager, and maybe one day owning your own store.

>They've already been kidnapped though.
All the better that they can seek recourse as victims.
> If more go to the police that could easily be explained by the fact that more have been victimized.
Yes, I know you'll insist you were right all along no matter what happens.

My the point is that legalizing prostitution increases other crimes and therefore it ought to stay illegal; preventing victimization in the first place is more just than giving victims greater opportunities for recourse.

Can you elaborate on what other crimes would increase as a result?

Sex trafficking.

Maybe some cool kind of new Ho-Op

Why would this be less of a problem with illegal prostitution.

With legal prostitution, you have places where you can actually apply consistent government regulation.

Because it reinforces and amplifies the inequality in sexual capital between men and women.

When a man buys sex from a woman (much more commonly than the other way around), he is creating a market in which sex is not a mutually beneficial (and mutually desirable) act but instead a commodity produced and controlled entirely by women. In such a market, there is no incentive for a woman to have sex with a man purely out of her own desire, because why do something for free when someone is willing to pay? As a result, men freely hand over the power of sex to the control of women. Lysistrata.

>legalizing prostitution increases other crimes
You believe so and won't be convinced otherwise. I disagree.

>Why should that prevent a free woman from taking money for something she could give away for free?

because greed eventually sets in, especially for a market that lead to such horrific acts.

Say you're not getting the money you want, you have 5 willing girls when you need 10 but no one's coming up applying for work, people will decide to snatch one or 2 people for easy money, simple as that.

it happens in every market, insider trading, fraud, main difference here is that who gets hurt in those crimes is wallets, in a legal sex industry, it's all too easy to hurt people directly.

morals plays a piece of why it's illegal, but if it's actually lucrative financially, governments will give it look like what's done with marijuana. but the risks definitely outweigh the payoffs, which is why it's not seen as viable by most governments to get in on that kind of money.

That's like saying that drug dealing would be more rampant if we decriminalized/legalized the use of drugs, that's just silly.

Culture will keep that in check. Being a whore has never been respectable.

I was thinking the exact opposite.

If you introduce a more competitive market, prices will go down, and the system will become more consumer friendly.

Okay.

>people want sex
>fuck it, I've got money

In a legal prostitution economy

>all the prostitutes have to be certified and regularly examined by the state poon tang authority
>negative externalities such as STIs, violence, organized crime, and trafficking are significantly reduced, because the market is now dominated by legal, accountable organizations

Prostitution illegal

>go to street corner
>she looked kind of young
>oh well
>I hope it'll stop itching soon

Yeah because everyone follows government regulations especially people working the sex industry. . .

Drugs aren't people and sex workers are primarily lower class. You think legalizing hooking won't put added pressure on poor families to whore their daughters out? You think there won't be 'scouts' from successful prostitution businesses that will prey on girls in poor neighborhoods and countries?

>Say you're not getting the money you want, you have 5 willing girls when you need 10 but no one's coming up applying for work, people will decide to snatch one or 2 people for easy money, simple as that.
I think that's easier to accomplish in an illegal industry than a legal one. You don't see many data-entry clerks or cashiers being shanghaied off the streets.
Meanwhile in an environment with legal prostitution, women are able to report crimes against them while being upfront about their profession and customers are able to report suspicions of serious crimes while being upfront about what they were doing. In our current illegal prostitution system, we have a lot of sex trafficking and everyone involved has something to fear.

Because clearly people will want to break government regulations and get arrested and put out of business. The amount of kidnappings would decrease because you wouldn't need to kidnap anyone when whores are all around. It'd be a safer experience for all parties if it were legal

>In our current illegal prostitution system, we have a lot of sex trafficking and everyone involved has something to fear.

This.

If I'm a hooker, why would I tell the police if someone robbed, raped, kidnapped or drugged me if that's illegal?
If I'm a John and I think this girl is being held against her will, why would I tell the police is that's illegal?
If I'm a pimo and one of my hoes were beat to near death by a john, why would I tell the police if its illegal?

In a country with healthy and effective police corps and governmental institutions no, they won't. Abduction is not legal and there's plenty of volunteers.

The problem is that NOT legalizing it is what makes it like that in the US. Pimps wouldn't have power if prostitution was legal and regulated, and those girls wouldn't be victimized.

Meant to quote

The type of people who work in the sex industry are not the type of people who are good at following rules. Even in places where prostitution is already legal the brothels are still run by gangsters who just put on a tie and act polite when the fuzz is around.

>You think legalizing hooking won't put added pressure on poor families to whore their daughters out?

No she'd have to be 18, at that point being solely her decision.

>You think there won't be 'scouts' from successful prostitution businesses that will prey on girls in poor neighborhoods and countries?

This happens anyway, at least if it were legal the businesses would have to ensure her health and safety on the job and pay her a fair wage and keep tax records.

What's a PUA?

>The type of people who work in the sex industry are not the type of people who are good at following rules.

Really? The system works fine in Germany. It's legalized even.

Yea and the type of people who used to work in the alcohol industry used to be real fucking bad at following rules to, until you know.. It was made legal.

Also
>implying every businessman isn't a gangster and every gangster isn't a businessman.

Pickup artists

Depends on the system.

From what I understand, the Nevada brothers are mostly run by ex hookers, and are generally pleasant.

The German ones are shit due to the presence of Eastern Euros.

It's unionized even, I meant

>From what I understand, the Nevada brothers are mostly run by ex hookers, and are generally pleasant.

Nevada resident here. I've never been to them, but I do know a girl who works there.

Run, yes. Owned, no. Most of them are only solely by one guy, and he's kind of an asshole.

>If more go to the police that could easily be explained by the fact that more have been victimized.

Or maybe it's more intelligent to think they go more to the police because they're not afraid of the police anymore instead of making mental gymnastics?

I see an escort on a regular basis. (Bi monthly)
We are the same age (20, 22)
Her place is always clean
She does not have a pimp
We both get a good look at each other genitals before we start
We both shower before we start
Its all protected
And her girlfriend (coworker) is next door to make sure she's safe .
It is always in a nice hotel in an area of the city known for its hotels and bars, not crime.
And she has a day job and goes to college as well
(Her boyfriend doesn't know what she does on the side though)

Its such a positive experience I almost forget I'm toying with my freedom and health every time. If it was legal, I wouldn't have to.
She's said the same thing when we've had extra time.

Moral decay is a real thing.

A society that decides to remove the line is a society that paves a way to it's own death. That's just fact. Simple addition really.

But that's why it's "bad." It contributes to that, but it's impossible to eliminate sexual desire, so what do you do? Pave a way to keep sex workers safe through legalization? Or refuse to accept it into your society because of what the behavior model leads to on a broader scale?

You run away from it if you have the conviction I guess and the rest will have to experience where their choices lead them...

Pretty sure there's more countries with legal prostitution than legal marihuana, or more or less the same. The USA isn't all the world.

>No she'd have to be 18, at that point being solely her decision.

hahaha yeah dude because an 18 potential whore who lives with her gangbanging boyfriend off skidrow is really gonna have a lot of agency in the decisions she makes lmao

Ecuador doesn't have the same issues with prostitution that Columbia has.
Guess which one has legalized prostitution.

Aquinas arguments against criminalization only work in a morally corrupt population though. And Aquinas is pretty much clear that the State had the power to make it illegal.

Besides, sex is something everyone can get easily today, so there isn't any need for prostitutes

> Moral decay is a real thing.
It isn't. Try to name one society that was destroyed by that. There were always huge objective economic factors in action.

>No she'd have to be 18
or "18"

Yeah I don't really care about the sob stories of every individual deadbeat whore. At 18 we set you free, now every fuck up is yours.

Forcing minors into prostitution, some of them as young as 12 or 13, is what a legal avenue would be able to prevent.

well at least you're honest about not giving a shit about the people who would be most affected by the position youre advocating

>sex is something everyone can get easily today

>he's kind of an asshole

Your boss kind of asshole or cartelboss level of asshole?

Yeah but you're implying that moral decay doesn't contribute to the ill handling of said economic factors.

Morality is the base user, the foundation. You lose that and everything suffers.

Somewhere in between. The guy who needs to micromanage EVERYTHING kind of asshole.

thumotic.com/the-killing-fields-of-the-21st-century/

When Ecuador is better than you at something, you know it's time start questioning some things.

I'm one of the people he's talking about, and even I think he's being melodramatic

The fact that there are some people in bad situations does not mean the entire industry needs to be locked up as a whole, just for their sake. There are plenty of girls that would do this shit that aren't being coerced by other people and there's a reasonable demand for that service.

Also the really large takeaway is that this shit is already going on. Said impoverished latina with gangbanger boyfriend is probably already getting pimped out. The difference is the business is more dangerous because it's underground and totally unregulated and we aren't getting any of that sweet taxed income.

>Besides, sex is something everyone can get easily today, so there isn't any need for prostitutes

Not even gonna start with the sexual revolution spergtalk, but it's just not. If you can get sex easily today, you could in the past.

Well, it's he gets his money from that.

>If you can get sex easily today, you could in the past.
you could tho

>read first paragraph
>that's a powerful point, I wonder if this is about Syria
>continue to scroll down

Words can not express my disgust.

>Waahh I had to go into prostitution because I had no other ways to earn money
>Mfw Ive literally cleaned sewage for a living because I needed money even though I could have sold my tight boypussy to some old faggot
I fucking hate women, I really do.

it will make the sexual market place unstable for women and empower men by disarming the leverage sex has.

being type A isn't the worst

and if you legalize youre telling her that its ok for her to be pimped out

If nothing else, it'll stop me from kidnapping more teenagers.

i doubt it

I have problems socializing like Malcolm, but the comparison with actual war horrors and monstrosities like the khmer roug made me fucking close the tab automatically. This is madness.

What the fuck do you think having a job is? People are renting your body. Instead of tits and cunt they're renting your arms and legs or in some cases your mind. A very, very small part of your mind.

Several periods in the past were fairly promiscuous including parts of the middle ages against common "knowledge". Not to mention arranged marriages that were by no means exclusive to the middle class.

Even disregarding all that, casual pre-marital sex is older than we believe. Maybe it's a bit easier today, but it's easier for basically the same kind of people who was already practising it in the past. And to be honest there's nothing wrong in it.

>Why is buying/selling sex bad?
It's not, but it doesn't matter. It'll never be legal, due to the fact that it would be the death of the porn industry.

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