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Hitler. Iirc they DID have an alliance that divided up the states/nations that they were controlling/planning to control, but Hitler invaded Russia proper in 1940 or 1941 and it was a dog fight after that.

Yes, I know Hitler and the Nazis hated commies. However we have the bennefit of history, and know through hindsight that Great Britain, and the USA are the bigger threats. So changing the Nazis goals and fucking over the Western powers in favor of the Soviets is something we can do. There is nothing stupid about it, the Soviets are better than the British. After all it was the western allies who fucked Germany in ww1. Russia did not do shit, so there is no reason for hating slavs and Russians. It makes more sense to hate Anglos.

I know about the Molotrov ribbentrop pact. I'm saying that Hitler betraying them was stupid. He should have tried getting a more friendly relationship with them, at least until the UK is taken out.

>we have the bennefit of history, and know through hindsight that Great Britain, and the USA are the bigger threats

Nigga really

This. The ENTIRE Nazi plan was to invade and conquer as much as the east as possible as lebensraum. An alliance with the Soviets would only ever be a temporary deal no matter what the situation against the British turned into.

They were also expecting the Soviets to betray and attack them from behind soon anyway, so they were just getting in the first punch before they got hit themselves. Again, war with the Soviets was inevitable.

>Then don't invade the Soviets.
Then how do you plan to keep getting all that Soviet grain and oil?

>he should have
Going to go back to
>what is a "megalomaniac"
There's lots of things Hitler should've done, but he didn't, because he was obsessed with the idea of a global third reich. Also, what an easy thing that is to say. I SHOULD have had a healthier lunch today, but I didn't and here we are.

When will this meme die?

They were not allied.

The Molotov-Von Ribbentrop pact was a way to avoid killing each other. Hitler needed time for the Blitzkrieg meme, Stalin to actually build a line of defence.

There was literally no chance Germany wouldn't have attacked Russia.

Why? Because muh spooks.

>pact of non-aggression
>alliance
>treaty
These are synonyms for the layman

They were already poised for defeat kinda.
Holding down all of the territory was going to be a bitch regardless in the long run, especially in Poland.
That, and they failed to achieve air superiority over Britain and the luftwaffe stopped bombing strategically (which is harder than it sounds). Britain's industry even GREW during the Blitz. Furthermore, no air superiority= how the fuck are they going to launch Operation Sea Lion and land men on the beaches?
And invading the Soviet Union even in itself would have been a failure. Stalin had already moved around 2/3rds of the USSR's heavy industry east of the Urals, so even if Hitler achieved his dream of conquering Moscow and Stalingrad, the Soviets would still be able to mobilize and push West during the winter as the Germans were horribly overextended.

A better question to ask would be "Why the fuck did Germany and Japan declare war on the US?"

Their chances would be better had the US not joined.

Yes, Britain and America were the biggest dangers to the Germans, and later the Soviets. You simply can't comprehend the power of America, they had the strongest economy and industrial might. The Soviets are not as big of a threat because they won't regime change you for not being a democracy. If you are a dictator and want to keep your power then the smart thing to do would be to oppose the Brits at the time.
Yes I know what the plan WAS, however that plan failed. That means you have to try different things so you don't end up with Germany invaded you stuck in the fuherbunker and shooting yourself before Soviet soldiers come in. Also Stalin would not have attacked Hitler, he was cautious and was surprised when Hitler betrayed him. Germany should have looked west, not east.
Trade, or maybe ask for it to be given in exchange for a full military alliance, or give them all of eastern europe in exchange for free oil and food, so you can keep on fighting the British.
This entire thread is about Hitler's failure, if we can't talk about things he could have done differently to make things better for Germany what the fuck can we talk about?

They had no way to defeat Britain, tho. Even if they'd "won" the Battle of Britain, they'd still have no means of actually invading Britain, and no means of stopping the Brits simply building more planes in the northern parts of the islands out of reach of German bombers.

>Trade
Trade what?
>or give them all of eastern europe in exchange for free oil and food, so you can keep on fighting the British.
You're going to give up the thing you're fighting the British over just so you can keep fighting the British.

Wow, what a fucking autist.

We know that Stalin wasn't going to attack. Hitler didn't. As far as he was concerned, they had to take out the Soviets before the Soviets could take them out. Dealing with Britain was secondary to that.

First of all it's always possible. I mean the British by themselves can't invade the mainland and free France. They would be stuck looking across the Chanel.

Again Germany can't keep eastern europe thats impossible Britain won't let them, Russia won't like it either. But they can keep parts of western europe like France since thats already conquered.
Yes, WE KNOW THAT thats the point. It's what we would do if we woke up as Hitler tomorrow.

Like actually happened, you mean? Germany couldn't defeat Britain, Britain couldn't defeat Germany, so Hitler said "fuck it" and invaded Russia even tho he was still at war with Britain. This is the reason he ultimately lost, because Britain is really close to France and a perfect launching pad for an invasion. If the Allies had been forced to invade directly from America, there's no way they could have managed it, certainly no way near as well as D-Day.

How is it always possible? The Germans just didn't have the resources they needed, and the soviets didn't exactly want to share. You're talking about Russia effectively bankrolling the Nazi Party, which would have been unprecedented, and not sustainable, especially when the Americans became involved, which would've happened sooner had the Nazis manager to make it across the channel.

Soviets would have invaded anyways and it would have meant they were prepared with fixing their officer corps after the purge and had way more T34s than they did in 1941.