Is there any actual point in working hard when you know that the system is designed to keep you a wage slave forever no...

>>try not being born in poverty next time

You know you can come out of poverty like many people have, from every single country in the world, correct?

>is spent working at some shitty job for a useless company that literally only exists so that some asshole can jew other people out of money selling them shit they don't need?

Try starting your own business or getting a job you actually enjoy and gives you a purpose in life.

I don't have the time or the money to ever be able to start my own company. That goes back to my original point of how there is no escaping wage slavery except in the extremely rare circumstance for people who somehow get incredibly lucky. I would probably have better odds playing the fucking lottery.

And there are no more economically viable jobs left that have any real purpose. The American economy has become a sad caricature of its former self and exists only to support its cancerous self and those few at the top who use it to plunder everything from everyone.

What else are you going to do?

Be a useless Nigger and leech off of welfare for the rest of your pathetic life?

Just wondering, what are your expenses?

>I don't have the time or the money to ever be able to start my own company

Yeah you do, you just don't want to take the risk.

There are business loans.

>That goes back to my original point of how there is no escaping wage slavery except in the extremely rare circumstance for people who somehow get incredibly lucky. I would probably have better odds playing the fucking lottery.

You don't get lucky without putting an effort regularly. A successful business doesn't just drop out of the sky into your hands.

>And there are no more economically viable jobs left that have any real purpose

There are plenty

>The American economy has become a sad caricature of its former self and exists only to support its cancerous self and those few at the top who use it to plunder everything from everyone

Strongest economy in the world and you're still whining and looking for excuses. Whatever dude.

keep thinking that, maybe attend a few Bernie rallies. I'm sure it'll work out for you sometime, I'm sure this attitude won't make you a bitter, depressed and jaded person. - More so than you currently are I mean.

>There are plenty
Name some examples

There are plenty, it depends entirely on your skills, talents, interests and goals though

Do you want like a list of them or something?

>jobs left that have any real purpose
You could day trade.
I hear that's fun.

It's designed to keep peasants from being jealous.

I quit my job because SSI says that all work takes out of my welfare check

I am edgy and nihilistic with a wicked sense of humor xDxDxxDxX

...yea, that's why he made that observation. Doesn't mean he enjoyed it.

>I quit my job because SSI says that all work takes out of my welfare check

how did you get NEETbux to start with? What disability do you have.

GIT

GUD

MOTHERFUCKER

>I quit my job because SSI says that all work takes out of my welfare check

I guess if you're content with making like

I like you. My ambition is to make money off of other people's ambitions.

Can I invest in your business like 5 years down the road when I actually pay off all of my debt and start acquiring legitimate income?

Well, you could just go live innawoods or something. Most people choose civilization because it's nicer.

Fuck you you defetist scum

I live in fucking Brazil, my grandfather was an italian immigrant who came here without a penny to his name and worked in construction work, and now 50 years later he not only helped create one of the blocks in the city, but he owns half of it.

My father used to shine shoes in the city center for change and mix cement at the age of 12 and now he's a cardiologic doctor making 30k a month

I studied my entire life in public schools and worked part time in mc donalds starting third year highschool,washing cars on weekends and going out perhaps 5 times a year with friends to fucking earn some money because my dad would give me none other than pay for my food, house and education, and i amassed 25k Reais, with which i started trading stocks, and now 2 years later i'm up 20k and making bits of money everymonth while going to university, with which i may find no empleyment because my country is in the biggest recession it ever had.

and yet i have to read abouy some faggot complaining in the biggest economy of oportunity in the world. FUCK YOU, STOP MASTURBATING AND GO DO SOMENTHING

>I live in fucking Brazil
I'm sorry for your loss

>immigrant who came here
>WILLINGLY GOING TO BRAZIL
Did I miss the memo or is Brazil not as bad as I thought it was?

>my dad would give me none other than pay for my food, house and education

So you're 100% supported by your parents and you have the luxury of spending all the money you make essentially on gambling. In the real world, people have to actually pay for things like food and housing. Please fuck off back to your third world shithole ronaldo.

at the 30's italy had mussolini and brasil was still safe, no favelas, scarce violence and developing relatively fast, also the south was being colonized by germanic immigrants,and the southwest by italians and japanese

>my parents hated me for being a NEET and kicked me out at the age of 18, so now i'm salty

w/e mate, maybe grow some balls and join the military

Are you fucking retarded?

He's saying that you're a lazy piece of shit who posts le depressing memes on Veeky Forums all day while someone in Brazil can start from nothing and actually achieve something with his life.

Holy shit Veeky Forums really is dead these days, fuck this stupid board.

Go beg for bitcoins or something

>parents paying all your expenses
>nothing

Do you honestly realize how retarded you are?

This place got really bad around the time Bernie Sanders started spewing memes. I think a bunch of Bernouts came here hoping to have his lies reinforced and got mad when they found out the guy is just a Jew fraud

Gr8 b8 though, OP. 0/10

>food, house, and education
>everything
Go do something with your life instead of picking other people's apart you lazy faggot

>His parents work hard for many years
>They decide to give their son more opportunities than they could afford at his age

how terrible

It's not the world's fault your parents are stupid faggots who don't love you or care about success

Lel how the best argument you faggots have to offer is "life is easy when someone else pays for things". Thank you for helping prove my original point.

You're right.

Everyone successful just got lucky, there's no point of working hard and the "system" is there to keep you enslaved as a wageslave. Your original post was correct.

topic closed, NEET master race indeed

I'm fine with doing regular work. I enjoy my job. It's a little boring and frustrating at times, but I don't think I'm anywhere near qualified or capable of running my own business.

I've got a great credit score, could get a business loan if I wanted, but I'm pretty scared. Dad tried to start two companies himself, both of which failed and put him into serious debt. If something like that happened to me, I'd probably be fucking crushed, especially since I have no family or friends to fall back on if something goes wrong. Maybe someday I'll open up that donut shop I've always wanted.

Until then, I'm content with getting by, occasionally living well, and not making too many waves.

>Is there any actual point in working hard when you know that the system is designed to keep you a wage slave forever no matter what you do?

There isn't.

That's why I just play videogames all day. Working is for retards. The economy is shit and there's no jobs

Wage slavery is the path of least resistance, and that is why it is the way it is.

Nevertheless, there's a sweet spot to be had that offers both decent pay and work-life balance, and not only is that something to strive for, but it also offers a fantastic opportunity to reinvest that abundant "life" time into pushing yourself even further in life.

What said.
My father was born in a poor small town in the rural deep south and worked picking cotton before he even started elementary school.

Decided it wasn't the life he wanted, studied hard and took advantage of every opportunity put in front of him, and eventually became an engineer, manager, entrepreneur, and investor over the course of his career, and retired a millionaire in his early 40s.

My circumstances growing up weren't anything close to his, but when I wasn't at school or studying I was shut up in my room constantly self-educating and developing my skillset in computing and software development. The only money spent on me was also food, housing, education, and an old car.

Despite being actively discouraged from entering this field since jobs were being outsourced in droves during the 2000s, I now enjoy a lucrative job, and frequently attract attention from industry giants.

On top of that I'm in the process of attempting to bootstrap a business, and pushing to put in over 80 hours of work a week between it and my day job.

Finding a job - any job - was very difficult in college during the recession years, and I concluded that the only way to get ahead in life is to develop and offer an undeniable skillset to employers, and/or to build my own operation with that skillset.

I'm Brazilian also but since I have to pay for my own rent and car and food, saving money is being REALLY hard.

Not hating on you, though. This shit will improve someday and we'll come out stronger. We're gonna make it.

What are you talking about?

There is no argument. You're just bitching like a lazy faggot and we're telling you to grow some balls

The thing about acquiring a skill is extremely true.

I think the reason losers like OP feel like they cant make it is they have no distinguishable skills. You have to make yourself valuable, nobody is gonna do it for you

>There are business loans.
Have you ever tried to get one? If you haven't detailed out exactly how the jew bank will quadruple its money in three weeks, you aren't getting a loan.

Unless it's the bank of mumsy and dadsy, in which case it's more of a handout than a loan.

>Why can't I be lazy?
>Why isn't everyone a loser like me?

woe is me
i was born in boverdy Dx
fug gapitalism d:{D

>spewing memes
You mean that shit about "Your job doesn't add value, but singing on street corners does"?

Bernie supporter detected.

What do you want, money for free? Business loans that cost more to repay than the business they support can afford are bad loans and become bad debt.

Good business plans repay the debt and make money.

> working for someone else

you'll never be truly happy or fulfilled until you are in control; i.e. your own business.

The choice is yours. No one is forcing you.

that's not irony you fucking faggot.

This is literally me until my Trumpcoin fund matures at $1 a coin, then I'll be launching my startup here in Phoenix

It's funny that with all this talk of what "new tech" a coin has, people forget that sometimes things get popular for general interest.

I honestly think one of these political coins will moon during the general election and the more I monitor the b8g 3 or 4 the more I'm inclined to think it's trumpcoin.

His memes are everywhere.. pleb bit, pol, insta, fb, twitter...it's nuts.

I don't really play alts, but I could see why one would

Learn to manage your wants.
As long as you don't buy into the generic bullshit like:
>owning real estate and doing fuck all with it
>owning anything but the cheapest and most reliable of cars
>Overspending on entertainment and other luxuries
You won't be a wageslave forever, invest everything you save into education and business ideas.

>thinks repayment and instant exponential repayment are the same thing
>also fell for the jew meme of bankers being experts at all kinds of business

I am currently making $10/hr. I'm not being paid on the books so it isn't taxed. Would I be able to just live off my dad/grandparents for 30 years and save enough of it to retire in a shitty apartment or is this just impossible?

This is why i'm working 20 hours a week. I'm fine settling for 45K a year if I get free time.

Maybe in America it is. That's because your country got so used to slaves that it had to treat the working classes LIKE slaves.
Only, unlike slaves, you don't have to feed or house them. You just work them until they break, and hire another.

Here in europe, my skills are valued and rewarded highly. The system barely makes me pay anything, yet I get free healthcare and strong labour laws, and a union fighting for me even though I'm not a member.
Must be pretty shit living in a country where the rich don't subsidise the system.
In britain, the top 5% of taxpayers pay something like 50% of the taxes. Most of my income is flat-out untaxed because they've been putting the threshholds up above wage growth for years to peel the working class voters away from the socialists through bribery.
I recently got a 5% bonus for helping turn the company's fortunes around.

instead of working hard, why not be a merchant?

complaining about the merchant will ensure you remain poor for eternity

You need startup money from a side project like trading/stocks. Use that money to run your *risk free* business.

And here I am wishing it didn't feel so easy to be successful.

Why don't you try not being a loser for a change. Unless you were born as an untouchable in India with a sub 80 IQ, there is literally no reason for you to be poor.

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE

Who gets dressed THEN takes a shit?

Exactly. I disagree with OP but he's got a point. Don't come here talking shit if your parents support you.

The rich always pay the most taxes by far.

I'm curious how much you make. Please tell us in US$

>it's the system guys I swear, not me!

start taking responsibility for your own life you ultra cuck

If you're not just living off the VERY generous neetbux system you're doing it so so wrong. Loving life playing vidya, reading and going gym tbqh xx.

Getting onto welfare systems is harder than getting an actual job I've noticed, at least in the US it is. I don't know about welfare Europe.

Pie chart does not say which taxes it counts, probably because it wishes to exclude the regressive ones in perpetuating its pity party for the rich.

wtf are you even talking about?

We have an office and staff of around 35 in SF who's only purpose is to sign up illiterate niggers on welfare.

The niggers don't even have to fill out their own forms. We literally do everything for them.

Half of them don't even have employment or tax verification, but we still apply them for federal and state assistance all the same.

You can literally be illiterate and still have someone register welfare for you. That's your tax dollars at work.

It's income tax.

What do you do?

>If you're not just living off the VERY generous neetbux system you're doing it so so wrong. Loving life playing vidya, reading and going gym tbqh xx.

>Generous

It's like $1000/month

>Going gym
post your current body you bullshitting neet faggot

>Unless you were born as an untouchable in India with a sub 80 IQ, there is literally no reason for you to be poor

In theory. In application, it's not possible for everyone to at the same time. Your ability to come out of poverty is directly proportional to everyone else taking advantage of that same ability, as it causes the markets to get scarcer with each job taken, which is depressing for someone who either finds no joy in the available successful markets to him, or can't find a successful/profitable market to take advantage of at all (like all of the small business owners in self-sustained communities who were annihilated upon the big business explosion coupled with low-income housing)

It's a depressing thought indeed so I can't blame people for feeling the way they do. The necessary correct response in our capitalist society is to use the negative scenario go fuel your own drive to "get yours" before everyone else, making necessary sacrifices wherever possible.

Could you be doing what you do and make yourself large amounts of money instead of someone else? If yes, quit your job and do that, you faggot. If no, what is your alternative? Not working and starving in the street?

You aren't entitled to shit. If you think "the system" is keeping you down, go live in the woods and find your own sustenance off the land. If you think that's a step down, then you are benefiting from "the system."

If you a

Ironically, most actual Bernie supporters I know aren't very leechy at all. Most of them are as hard working as Tumpers. They just hate big business shitters and concept of Oligopoly.

Kinda assumed most of the crybaby autists were Shillary supporters given the nature of Tumblr and it's love of Feminazism.

Doesn't take into account tax returns triggered by charitable donations driven by asking customers to "donate for X cause for 1 dollar", as well as minority breaks, etc etc. a lot of companies end up getting free money back because of their donation/"charity" manipulation. Weather that's a good or bad thing is arguable.

>most actual Bernie supporters I know aren't very leechy at all. Most of them are as hard working as Tumpers

lmao

Bernie supporters literally haven't passed econ101

First year pharmacist. If I went to a smaller town you can get >110K a year easily working 40 hours a week.

You don't necessarily have to agree with his stances on economics per say, you could just think he's onto something as far as "what the establishment entails" followed by "the establishment is bad." He wouldn't have gotten so many donations from Joe Schmoes like you and me if they were all leeches.

Hell, he parallels with Trump a lot in their anti-establishment stances. Trump and Bernie just have two different perspectives as to what the "establishment" entails.

It's income tax, not corporate. That's pretty clear by just looking at the chart idiot

No...

They are very different. Bernie is a loser in life, he has never done anything significant besides being a politican for almost his entire life who has accomplished nothing. He literally thinks "Just make the rich pay for it and make everything free" are feasible economic stances.

I'll amend my statement.

>Unless you were born as an untouchable in India with a sub 80 IQ, a pic related woman or a short man, nothing is stopping you from being wealthy or at least solidly middle class

Depends on what system you play. I enlisted in 2000, busted my ass in a challenging (non-combat) career field, and made E-5 in 3 years (helped that I enlisted as an E-3.) Completed enough college in my time in uniform to qualify for what the USAF used to call "Bootstrap," which will pay you as an E-6 for the last year you're in college, plus cover 100% of your tuition, AND guarantee a slot for OTS to become a commissioned officer. Pay wasn't great in that era, but with no bills (lived in the barracks, ate at the DFAC, drove a shitty car, only "bills" were a pair of small credit cards to build credit, school supplies, and DSL,) so my $24k a year as a SSgt was good.

I've continued to bust my ass and am on the list to make lieutenant colonel next year. When I put in for my retirement at 20 years (just 3 years and a tiny piece away,) I'm guaranteed a pension under the High-36 system of at least $52,900 a year (year 1 based on the current payout.) Not huge, but more than enough for me to live comfortably if I choose not to work. I own two homes (one in my hometown of Sumter, SC, another in Charleston, SC,) both are paid for (and not a penny out of my own pocket except the down payments because they're being rented out,) and I'll only be 38 years old, plenty of time for a second career. My savings and investments are just shy of $900k (unfortunately a quarter of it is in a traditional IRA, not a Roth, so oops, my bad,) so again, I don't need to but I will probably choose to.

>TL;DR, sometimes busting your ass can and does pay off as long as you find a place that doesn't ask you to be grateful for the opportunity to do so

>misusing a word towards a writer
that's irony

its always some absolutely useless military guy with the 1000 words and positive story

no one is as hopeless as you lad

hahaha recuiter pls go.

How hard is pharmacy school and actual job?
I mean you learn about pills, and give people the right amount and the right kind of pills. Is that it?

>it's a useless fuck doesn't want to take advice episode

The military is one of the greatest opportunities offered to Americans who are willing to put in a couple years for their country.

Fuckin stable employment is the best thing for your brain desu familia

Doesnt matter how rich you get today trading altcoins, eventually you will fail or at least wont be consistent over a long time.

Meanwhile your brain adapted to such extreme short-term rewards that it wont accept normal employment. Guess why so many suicides during a recession...

It's over 8 years of school to make just over 100k a year starting out. You do the math.

People love to hate on the military.
Especially fatties who deep down really wanted to join, and edgelords.

But holy shit is it awesome.
Instant work experience and knowledge of chosen field.
Paid to go to college (no really, paid TO go to college, not just paid FOR you)
Benefits. Health, life, and dental.
You can live in barracks or if you have a family they will help greatly to pay for a house off base.
If you absolutely need to, you can eat for free at the chow hall too.
Networking. Networking. Networking.

Schools not hard. Had a lot of free time except for my third year. Missing it a lot. The jobs not hard either, but it's stressful unless you're working at a small pharmacy. It's been turned into a business so it's about how many prescriptions you can pump out instead of the quality. Theres a lot of dumbasses in my program so if you're even moderately intelligent you can do it.

You pretty much learn what doctors learn, with less focus on diagnosis but more focus on pharmacology and no focus on rare diseases.

It was 6 for me but I live in Canada.

I mean if you keep questioning in this manner the only choices you are left with is becoming some monk meditating away in the mountains or a pure scholar (by pure I mean not getting embroiled in the drama that is PhD's and simply working to achieve a scientific/mathematical result that you find satisfying).

Fuck off ya virgin NEET

It's basically a waste of time unless you plan on becoming an actual career soldier.

I've known, shit, maybe half a dozen militaryfags and not one has ever raved about it as you have here. I think the most excited I've ever seen someone get over discussing their decision to join the military was "eh, it wasn't bad. I'm glad I'm out now though."

I have one friend who did his 4 years or whatever and is going to college now "for free" which is cool as hell... butttt... he's 28 just now working on his bachelor's when everyone he went to school with has their masters (like me) and are already established in their fields.

It's basically something to do for 4 years, for most people. It's like, maybe a little better than just working a wage slave job because of the "benefits."

if things worked more like they were supposed to, yes, you'd be holding things back
in the world we have, it's expected that most people, most of the time, will not work hard, and I'm pretty sure it's accounted for and balanced for
I would feel slightly guilty with that because I spent most of my youth a major slacker, but if you don't, you can go ahead and put in the minimum (or a little more to be safe) and use the extra time and energy for other things

As a Bernie supporter and economics grad, this is obviously false. The entire left side of the political spectrum is full of people [by definition] who believe that re-distributing to the poorest and neediest helps the economy.