How come so after ~1400 Europe managed to overwhelmingly outclass all the rest of the world in every relevant category? It's seems like all these "great" civilizations like Islam, India, China just stuck in Middle Ages for 500 years, and if there were any developements or improvements they all just came from Europe/the US. I know things are changing now but I'm talking about period until about the end of WWII. Compare quality of Western art to Chinese or something. Hell, even still in the Middle Ages, Gothic architecture was simply light years ahead of everything else - it extended use of stone to it's physical boundaries. Meanwhile in the rest of the world: wooden pagodas, and if anything made out of stone its claustrophobic (and if not its just some most basic shapes like pyramids)
The sense conveyed is often more important than the thing itself. One is an attempt at dominating nature while the other blends with it and expressed its qualities more subtly.
William Evans
nice excuse for undevelopement
Benjamin Rodriguez
>1400 When did Europeans find the New World? When did the mongols fuck up Asia?
Jayden Baker
In the age of discovery.
Camden Watson
China was actually THE global superpower until 1700 I'd say, then Britain fucked them up with the opium trade. Also, your taste in art is subjective and means nothing. The Japanese have had architecture using highly sophisticated angles instead of nails, for instance. Does that mean it is better, or more cultured? No.
Austin Sullivan
Holy shit, you're a fucking retard. Literally everything you would be 'proud' of, except maybe stone work is based off of these other peoples inventions.
Who invented basic maths? Who invented Astrology? Who invented Gun powder Who invented printing?
PIc related, was built around 900 AD.
Back to /pol/ you fucking idiot.
Bentley Perry
They went arts and crafts 3000 years before it came to the west. Who is underdeveloped now?
Aaron Cooper
You just have a very shallow understanding of art.
>Who invented basic maths? The Babylonians, Egyptians, the Greeks and the Indians >who invented Astrolohy
Litterally pseudo science, back to x please
>printing was invented in the near east and then lost
John Sullivan
I'm in general agreement with you, but...
>Who invented basic maths?
Every civilization, possibly every proto-civilization. Even the Stonehenge mud-hut dwellers must have had basic math/rudimentary geometry.
>Who invented Astrology?
Everyone, neolithic, possibly even paleolithic, tribal cultures included. That's just stargazing voodoo.
>Who invented Gun powder
The Chinese, but they didn't pursue it to its full potential.
>Who invented printing?
The Chi... etc.
Jeremiah Allen
>The Babylonians, Egyptians, the Greeks and the Indians The Egyptians surely were a 'great' civilisation.
>Litterally pseudo science, back to x please Kek. You know Astrology is the study of the stars right? Plotting a planets course as it orbits a sun is a form of astrology and is very much a science.
Kill yourself.
Astrology =/= Zodiac signs you fucking absolute moron.
I had a reply, but then I realised you're just being retarded on purpose.
Daniel Perez
>Kek. You know Astrology is the study of the stars right? Plotting a planets course as it orbits a sun is a form of astrology and is very much a science.
Astrology is a belief system, not a science, you're thinking of Astronomy you utterly ignorant retard
>The Egyptians surely were a 'great' civilisation.
They surely were
>Astrology =/= Zodiac signs you fucking absolute moron.
Actually yes, Zodiac signs are related to Astrology, retard.
Carter Campbell
>Astrology is a belief system, not a science, you're thinking of Astronomy you utterly ignorant retard Yeah fair play, my bad.
Astronomy still originates in the middle-east. Out-side of these great civilisations you are so dam proud of for creating the world we have today when they did nothing but the grunt work.
Anyone can perfect an already accepted idea, not many people can create the foundations though.
Lincoln Cook
New world, really. While Western Europe was enjoying two whole continents, the rest of the world fell back due to obselete trade routes. Competition was also another thing that created European dominance as Euros were essentially compteting amongst each other to be better, developing new technologies like the aquerbusier.
Adrian Bell
>Astronomy originates in the middle east
It originated indipendently all over prehistoric Europe too, there are a lot of manufacts and monuments with astronomical connotations in prehistoric Europe
Josiah Bailey
Funny how you no longer want to argue the OP but when and where astronomy originated.
Fuck off, shit thread - you're an idiot.
Pic related is considered art in America.
Caleb Collins
That's a point you brought up, you tard.
Easton Clark
Which you are now stuck on, you understand? It's besides the point, it supports my point, it's not THE point though.
The point is you believe everything 'important' came from the US or Europe up until WWII. I have given you many examples of literally everything our modern world is based on and how it didn't originate anywhere near the US or EU.
You also, as another user has stated earlier in this thread, have a fatal misunderstanding of how art works and the subjectivity of beauty. >they didn't paint on canvas therefore their art is shit!
End yourself, plebeian.
Jackson Powell
you should read "guns germs and steel" it explains this discrepancy in advancement pretty well
John Gomez
> global superpower >Gets stuck in a shithole called East Asia
Jaxon James
The Achaemenids were the first global power. You don't need to go across oceans to achieve that status.
Ryan Cruz
Nigger you're a retard how do you think people were navigating if it wasn't relative to the positions of the stars.
Austin Ross
Achaemenids controled a % of the world population that not even the chinese can match and had an empire that spanned three continent and several ancient civilizations of extreme sophistication.
Gavin Roberts
Europe didnt get ahead until the 18th century. It can sometimes seem like it was ahead of China and India before that, but thats only because we know so much more and are more grounded in the realities of those periods. If you studied China and India at the same time you'll see they had the same level of civilisation
Adam Lopez
>define the "Global" term
Portuguese Empire was the first global Empire
>Portugal began establishing a global trade network and empire under the leadership of Henry the Navigator. It was the first global empire in history. The empire spread throughout a vast number of territories across the globe (especially at one time in the 16th and 17th centuries) that are now parts of 60 different sovereign states. Portugal would eventually control Brazil, territories such as what is now Uruguay and some fishing ports in north, in the Americas; Angola, Mozambique, Portuguese Guinea, and São Tomé and Príncipe (among other territories and bases) in the North and Sub-Saharan Africa; cities, forts or territories in all the Asian Subcontinents, as Muscat, Ormus and Bahrein (amongst other bases) in the Persian Gulf; Goa, Bombay and Daman and Diu (amongst other coastal cities) in India; Portuguese Ceylon; Malacca, bases in Southeast Asia and Oceania, as Makassar, Solor, Banda, Ambon and others in the Moluccas, Portuguese Timor; and the granted entrepôt-base of Macau and the entrepôt-enclave of Dejima (Nagasaki) in the Far East, amongst other smaller or short-live possessions across the globe.
David Allen
This
Justin Nelson
kek
Andrew Ward
>pic related >literally a wooden hut
Liam Hernandez
>pic related >literally a piece of rock
Zachary Russell
Really? Because it had no explanation for India becoming a second stringer despite having the advantages Diamond claimed gave Europe an edge.
