Tfw socialists still pushing revolution bullshit despite every socialist countries turned into a shithole

>tfw socialists still pushing revolution bullshit despite every socialist countries turned into a shithole

They should read the history books about failure Socialists revolution, massive experiment is over.

Eh, sometimes I just hope as soon as soon as all these liberals go in to the real world and see no one gives a Fuck about them or their liberal arts and social science degree, why communism doesn't work.

>Humans don't like to work together, the left is a great example, they won't even listen/tolerate anyone on the right or anyone with diffrent ideas.
>But you know, the right has as many of not more crazy people, there is no right political party just pretty okay interpretation.

That picture is fucking retarded. Anyone who tries to shill revolutionary """""socialism"""" has no understanding of how the mind works. People won't suddenly accept total economic equality in one generation via revolution. I'm not going to sugarcoat this: effective socialism requires brainwashing. All members in society must be taught from birth to accept communal thought and economic equality. This of course is a gradual process that would take a couple hundred years, but it could be done.

Are you conflating communism and socialism again?

Let's say it again for the Americans in the back.
Communism = socialism.
Socialism =/= communism.

>A sample size of 6 proves a correlative hypothesis without any controlled variables

This isn't accepted anywhere else, why is it accepted in this case?

>tfw posters still pushing pointlessly anti-communist threats despite every threat turned into a shithole

Can we just have these deleted as a rule? Their ant-capitalist counterparts too, please. Veeky Forums clearly doesn't have the faculties to talk about ideology in any constructive manner.

>Ideologies suck because people suck at implementing them, the meme.
>Ideologies suck because ideological opponents practice sabotage and embargo, the meme.

Imagine if you tried to open a pet store.

Now imagine if you had everything set up, then your supppliers cut you off, and your employees stole from you, and then someone set your business on fire one night.

Does that make you a bad business owner? Should you stop trying because "opening a pet store has already been tried?"

In many areas of life, from software development to engineering to invention, success means failing many times.

If these edgy teenagers had to work a shit job and see what capitalism is really about they would become socialists.

Capitalism basically boils down to "people dont matter"; your job can and will be sent overseas for cheaper labour, and "workers rights" exist on paper but are bypassed in reality. You are worked to death, your health destroyed, you face bullying and harrasment from people higher up. In the end you die when your usefullness is exhausted and are replaced, this is pretty much capitalism in a nutshell.

b-but muh economic guiding hand

>I'm not going to sugarcoat this: effective socialism requires brainwashing.
the tools of evil cannot be used to do good, user.

>Communism basically boils down to "people dont matter" and "workers rights" exist on paper but are bypassed in reality. You are worked to death, your health destroyed, you face bullying and harrasment from people higher up. In the end you die when your usefullness is exhausted and are replaced, this is pretty much Communism in a nutshell.

everybody cuts corners, you'll learn soon enough

socialism is the transitional stage into communism

Except I didnt say North Korean Stalinism you disingenuous fucknugget

>Except I didnt say North Korean Stalinism you disingenuous fucknugget
My bad. which HIGHLY SPECIFIC flavor were you referring to?

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Ah yes, commies always have some kind of never-before-seen fancy communismâ„¢
Let's hear it, so

Communism and socialism aren't diametrically opposed

Socialism is a component of communism

In fairness, every country Socialism has been trued in was already a shithole, by nature. Russia, China, eastern europe, Africa, all shitholes by nature regardless of political or economic system.

Only counter argument is East Germany, but I'd argue they did pretty well for themselves considering that Russians pulled all the important strings.

>They should read the history books about failure Socialists revolution, massive experiment is over.
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn the Marxist states.

Don't worry, I'm not about to drop some long spiel about how it's never been tried and if only everybody cared about each other.

But a communist state has one thing going for it that both Socialism and Capitalism don't; It's the only one of the three that can survive Globalism.

A socialist state is bound to overrun with leeches who are going to make the society shittier for everyone, namely in the form of immigrants

A capitalist Society is going to export all it's labor to foreign markets to get it for as cheap as possible, resulting in the local industry getting killed

Communism need not worry about either. Every communist country ends up so shitty nobody wants to live there, much less immigrate there and they have no Industry to kill in the first place

> They should read the history books
Maybe you should go read some history books yourself.

Part of the problem is simply accepting "failure" of USSR as a fact.

Remember Star Trek - even Hollywood thought at the time, that Soviets would eventually win.

kek

So bad it's good?

you do know that the term liberal arts has nothing to do with liberal politics... don't you?

You misunderstand the purpose of socialism. It's not to bring better standard of livings, the purpose of socialism is creating enough cushy jobs for intellectuals in the nomenklatura. And history books show that this was a massive success.

the problem is that every fucking time they tried to implement hard socialism in a country, they just fucked it up completly. liberalism, for example, has been implemented a shitload of times and there are some shitty examples (like argentina) but some examples in one side do justificate by "it was bad implemented". if every time someone implemented it, the country became a shithole, then it's not the implementers fault, it's just the system is crap

You are talking like we arent being brainwashed constantly already. You think you were born with your sense of morality?

Because we're talking about human lives and the welfare of an entire nation?
And there were far more than 6 communist states, fool.

Whats wrong with a social sciences degree??

>If these edgy teenagers had to work a shit job and see what capitalism is really about they would become socialists.

fucking this

ffs just look at the guys in sweatshops and factories overseas in India or China or wherever working 16 hours a day in terrible conditions, literally getting paid cents an hour, making manufactured products that get sold here at grossly overpriced markups.

For socialism to actually work, you need all three of the following:

1. a high degree of automation of labor (machines, robots, even AI)

2. the society and the economy in which socialism will be implemented needs to already have transitioned to capitalism/liberalism and have a strong, functioning, capitalist system

3. the business processes and economy needs to be highly capital intensive, and disparate industries can be thus differentiated on the basis of return on invested capital

Socialism in USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, China, etc all failed because NONE of these 3 requirements were present in any of these countries when the socialist experiments started over there.

> I have read only propaganda
O-okay. What's your point then?

> For socialism to actually work
What does "working" even mean? 1000 year-old Reich?

You're a fool. Socialism doesn't require brainwashing, it just requires good, useful socialist policies.

Has libertarianism ever been tried?
My parents got into a debate with me saying it wouldn't work but I don't think we know that (Since I'm not aware if it was ever really done before)

Nothing if you like being unemployed.

leading into communism

socialism itself is just a transitory stage between capitalism and communism.

Any ideology can work if a society is collectively brainwashed into accepting it. The issue isn't whether a society can accept socialism, which would be entirely dependent on it's host culture, it's whether socialism can hold itself together and can be competitive enough to check foreign aggressions.

Yes. The """"""""wild""""""" west, Korea-China-Japan for most of their history, the pre-FDR United States, and if you really want to stretch it most of Central Asia.

Are you retarded? None of those even came close to libertarianism. If anything, Korea, China and Japan were known for their highly efficient government bureaucracies which allowed certain dynasties to hold an iron grip on power for centuries.

Eh. You're probably shitposting. Nevermind.

Communism has never been tried.

Every 'communist' country has been socialist. I do believe the USSR called itself both communist and socialist. Socialism has been attempted, but it has always resulted in totalitarian regimes, so saying that the USSR was socialist in in practice is wrong.

t. not a commie

Tell me all about your hard job user
Please, I want to hear

And those highly efficient bureaucracies were used to collect taxes and fuck around with noble shit.

Why the fuck do you think the Chinese people were ordered to arm themselves and police their own communities? Why do you think Buddhist monks repeatedly enacted marshal law in Japan? The highly efficient bureaucracies couldn't police every inch of every village.

I'm genuinely curious, do you even know the first thing about medieval Asia?

>b-but zizek defined libertarianism as...
Fuck off. The Wild West is painted as a Libertarian Utopia by the Mises Institute, jesus christ.

>I don't have any specific criticisms of the ideology so MUH GAZZZILION DEATHS will have to do

How many failed capitalist states and deaths do you need to convince you that's a bad system?

Capitalism isn't a system.

Marxism vs ideology is an objectively incorrect worldview.

The LTV is objectively false.

Lysenko was a hack.

Marx's theory of the progression of societies is objectively wrong and was made without any observation of history.

There, that's 5.

Voting conservative is a transitional stage to Nazism.

Capitalism is an economic theory, and you can build a system based on it

Adam Smith and Ricardo used LTV extensively

How is it objectively false?

Pretty much, thats why you should vote for socialists

>Has libertarianism ever been tried?
It's closest analogue, Paleoliberalism, swept into political power in the aftermath of the first world war and reached its apex in the 1920's.

>b-but the mises institute defined libertarianism as...

And we all remember the great depression and the horrible working conditions from the working class.

...

Who says Adam Smith cannot be wrong? He was wrong about excess saving being a good thing. He was too early for Keynes.

>Countries exist in vacuums

Wew lad.

By writing about it, Marx has set back, if not prevented, the genesis of communism. Instead of it coming about naturally, people tried to force it to catastrophic results.

>Capitalism kills 200 million over the span of 500 years (People not killed in the name of capitalism or by capitalist policies, but instead through political disputes)
>Communism kills half that amount in less than a hundred (Indisputably killed in the name of communism or through communist policies)
Gee, Wally. You really think that comparison plays in your favor?

>the tools of evil cannot be used to do good, user.
Bloody revolution wouldn't be a tool of evil? Brainwashing is clean and palatable. Make them want it, them give it to them.

>Brainwashing is clean and palatable. Make them want it, them give it to them.
It's almost like you commies have the opposite opinion about advertising. Brainwashing is only okay when you faggots agree with it.

Fucking gold.

Every socialist shithole was a shithole before socialism. Many of them (namely Cuba and Russia) were substantially worse before.

Damnable lies, as far as Russia is concerned. From the 1880s onwards the Russian GDP was growing by double digits annually as they started to export more goods, massive social reforms and modernization policies were enacted and the amount of new infrastructure constructed was enormous. Russia was on track to be on par with western yurop by most metrics by the 1940s until WWI and then Bolshevism derailed things.

I'm not saying that it wasn't more-or-less third-world compared to yurop, but for perspective it's worth remembering that at the time of WWI there were still plenty of Russians alive who had literally been born into a feudal society as chattel slaves. Russia's rate of progress and development was tremendous, especially in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

>money in savings accounts don't get turned into loans for others to consume

Retardalert.pepsi

Advertisers brainwash you to exploit you for their own ends.
Commies brainwash you [at least in theory] for the good of the collective, not their personal enrichment. [They'll be dead before it's done.]

I don't personally agree with either but the two aren't fungible. [Mostly, I just really really really fucking hate advertisers.]

underrated post

>Liberals support an ideology that is totally incompatible with their own
Classcuck education everyone.

>Soviet Russia
>Uses Russian Federation Flag
>MRW this is what class cucks actually believe