Why does ISIS have to do this shit?

Idiot.

what?

the crusades are more interesting to you than history in the near east?

Reminder that ISIS are true Muslims.

It's perfectly normal to destroy historical pieces that belong to someone you conquered.

Touristification or museumification whatever ya wanna call it is just as bad. Some lad told me that the stone hedge was surrounded by a big fence.
History is best when it "lives". Say something like the city of Prague.

It's the real life version of fishing for (you)'s.

To them, all they see is a sea of quotes every time they do this. This has multiple effects. First, it creates an interest and panic for artifacts which ISIS can then sell at a mint (you usually see them blow up really big and heavy things they can't easily smuggle). Second, it gets everyone in the West mad, and the madder the West gets the more internets they win from net jihadis and potential recruits/donators. Third, it spreads their brand like a fresh meme to help them stand out against the sea of competition like Al Qaeda, Al Shabbab, etc.

>Touristification or museumification whatever ya wanna call it is just as bad.
Oh yes, charging people to visit a historical or archeological site as a means to raise money to preserve for cultural and research purposes is *just as bad* as blowing the whole thing up.

Shut up you failed abortion.

rude

Have to give it to you, that is spot on mate.

That way it don't sound so bad. But what's so good about turning it in some kind of commodity?

Preservation and restoration takes skilled work and costs a lot of money.

Compared to literally blowing it up it's fantastic.

At the very least it makes preservation a self-supporting and potentially even profitable endeavor. Because you know normies will get butthurt if they find out their tax dollars are paying for preserving "like some old rocks n shit"

Not to mention what's so wrong with turning it into a "commodity"? It's not going anywhere, you're not literally selling the site, you're selling access to it and the opportunity to blow your money in a gift shop.

If you think it should all be 100% free, who foots the bill for maintenance and restoration?

I don't even care anymore desu.

Ancient civilisations will live on through the collections of the Louvre and the British Museum. Let the sandniggers wreck everything of value they ever made if they want.

People shit on the Catholic Church for having a net worth of millions of dollars, but they ignore that the majority of this money is spent with maintenance and restoration of thousands upon thousands of works of art and architecture, which, since they can't sell any one if, end up becoming a huge liability. And if they did nothing to preserve it, UN cucks would be denouncing that the church neglects and destroys "cultural heritage" or something to that effect.

Pic related costs 4 euros to look at. I think it's a very fair price, considering that the work itself is worth millions. Better than it staying at some rich dude's home.

Because Islam.

>tfw the Taliban blew up the Buddhas in Bamiyan

They were the most impressive example of Greco-Buddhist art, one of the most interesting types of art deriving from one of the most interesting cultures I've ever come across. Truly sad. What's more, a lot of this art was housed in museums that have now been looted.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art

Or the destruction of the communist monuments.

It's justified violence in the name of "progress".

Yeah dawg, they should have done like the Romans and preserved Carthage for future generations n' shit. Dirty savages.

The Byzantines had a couple iconoclastic movements too. Destroyed a lot of the church's early art.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Iconoclasm

There's a difference between tearing down markers of the past that reflect a society which was dominant at one time when that society's values are no longer en vogue, and destroying emblems of a foreign power that imposed symbols of its power on a society. I think the former is understandable and somewhat justified (your Marxist statues in Warsaw Pact countries or, for instance, Zimbabwe not wanting to be named "Rhodesia"), the latter is just revolutionary destructiveness. The line is admittedly somewhat gray, though.

They're just acting like the same cultures they're destroying the remnants of. This kind of shit has been done in warfare for ages. Look at what the Romans did to Carthage. ISIS is just old school brutal.

I'll limit my statement about foreign powers imposing their symbols to situations when that power was in place for a relatively short time (the Communist era, for instance, or Western colonisation of Africa after the Congress of Berlin).

You can take down the statues without smashing them to pieces, you can even sell the statues for a reasonable amount of money.

What ISIS does it's for the same reasons, culture and art it's valuable, I understand the need to take them out of the public space, but it looks to me more of a case of MUH FEELINGS, than an actual necessity.

It sends an emotional message to further your political goals and undermines the morale of your opponents.

It's unfair warfare and destruction of humanity legacy.

Yeah, I agree with you there; I'm not defending what ISIS does, I think it's horrible. I see your point about the Lenin statues, etc., potentially going in a museum, but I just don't think there would be much of a draw for it. Its entire purpose was pretty much propaganda and triumph of the workers. That might be just because I think communist art and socialist realism is extremely uninspiring, though; you could probably make the same argument about tearing down statues of Napoleon, for instance.

The US did it too when they were in Irak, they just bmbed the place though. But you didn't hear of it because Western medias are also a huge propaganda machine.

>It sends an emotional message to further your political goals and undermines the morale of your opponents.

Isn't it more about strict religious interpretations of idolatry for them? Obviously they're aware of the side benefits, otherwise why record it? Islam and iconoclasm predate ISIS by a few dozen centuries.

well the same happens to me when i see people getting beheaded, exploded, drowned, thrown off high buildings, etc and no one seems to care, but suddenly they start wrecking shit and it's like the end of the world...

human art becomes pointless if the people who did are getting executed daily

>I understand the need to take them out of the public space,
I don't. Are Muslims that fucking triggered that any kind of reminder that they weren't always Muslims must be destroyed?

isis are the ultimate attention whores
to be honest, they couldn't care less about their shitty religion hence why so many of them do the exact opposite of what's written in their book (taking drugs, alcohol, etc) making religion just the banner to wave but this is ultimately a war for power and domination

so they couldn't care less about how wrong idolatry is, they just wanted to appear worldwide news
also, most of the ancient stuff they put their dirty paws on ended up being sold, the destruction is just there as an act and not even to make a statement but to be relevant

>Are Muslims that fucking triggered that any kind of reminder that they weren't always Muslims must be destroyed?
Considering these monuments lasted up until the modern age, through many caliphates, no.

But painting complex sociopolitical situations with one broad stroke is sort of Veeky Forums's thing, so have at it f a m.

I mean the Jews control Jerusalem now, and your government probably allies with them. The Palestinians have Bethlehem though, which funnily enough is one of the least disputed territories in the region. I wonder why...

Because they're assholes.

They are the exact reason why Arab/middle east governments are usually ran by a dictator that doesn't fuck around, because you CAN'T be a pussy, like westerners, and lead those motherfuckers, or, you get shit like ISIS.

>Arabs destroying arab history

who gives a fuck

Those monuments have lived through over a thousand years of Muslims and countries like Iran still keep their own.

In fact, the remains of Persepolis in Iran are among the oldest complex structures on the planet.

You are a fucking retard. The oldest buildings in existence are in Muslim countries.

Ok whats the story behind that gif?

I also need to know

It kind of pisses me off but then I relax and realize it is nothing but history unfolding itself in front of my eyes.

A comedy skit, the exact details of which I can't recall

They do it because it gets a reaction out of people

They are highly destructive because that edginess appeals to disaffected kids in Europe and America.

Christian art is so beautiful

The single most compelling reason to be a Christian would be the beautiful works of art the followers made for their God. I always walk away with a sense of relaxation and ease.

I agree spot on

Shut the fuck up. The money raised goes directly to preservation of it. Fucking retard. In a lot of places, museums are actually offering free admission and just sustain themselves from the government.

Because ISIS subscribes to an apocalyptic version of Wahabism, which was developed mostly by al-Zarqawi. It believes that we are currently living in the end times and that the hour of judgement, the yawm al-qiyama, can happen at any moment. One of the biggest sins in Islam is shirk, which is the pagan worship of anything other than God. This means that they consider it a duty to destroy anything they declare pagan, which is pretty much everything outside of their beliefs. Doing so will please the Lord, so they think, and since they can be judged at any moment, they're more than eager to do so.

By the way, ISIS is strict to the point where even Shias are considered pagan infidels, and so this stuff also happens to Shiite shrines. It's also a part of their media campaign, but riling up people against them is definitely not the only goal of this destruction, which is heavily influenced by their theology

Someone told me it was Moslems that tore the outer layer off the Pyramids
That outer layer you can still see towards the top where they were unsuccessful
Is this true or just a /pol/ism?

Italians tore down Roman concrete for centuries
Not to mention all the old statues from Greece, Egypt, etc that were vandalized after every regime change

But destroying monuments in the name of religion was bad enough 1000 years ago. In 2016 its downright evil. To hell with Isis and Islam

Would you rather Have all the $$$ to take care of it come from taxes? Because believe it or not some of your countryman dont care about history and would rather see it rot than pay for its upkeep.
Fuck off
Reals > Feels
Muh commodity

source: youtube.com/watch?v=bLzDEwhwjlo

arrested development, worth a watch

Kind of. A series of severe earthquakes shook the limestone casing off. They were then took away for building materials.

>Every time I hear that they've bulldozed/blown up some ancient building from like the B.C. times I just want to die inside.

Yeah that's why they do it. They want to upset Westerners as much as possible.

Manchild pls

Since when are Kurds and the Iraqi army crusaders?

Reminder that ISIS' one major source of income is artifact smuggling.

They just destroy the sites for propaganda purposes since they can't sell those.

Abrahamic religion.

>For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Funny how all the Christians on this corner of the internet get upset at ISIS doing this when they have a long and storied history of bulldozing indigenous cultures and histories all the way from Rome to Oslo to Lima.

>ISIS

Muhhamad (piss be upon him) instructed his followers to destroy idols

Mudslim detected. ISIS are not true mudslims (tm) they are Mossad CIA operatives. Real Islam (tm) is a religion of peace!!!!!

The grunts are brainwashed muz but the men in charge are jews

Proofs? Also funny how my muslim Egyptian immigrant neighbour uses the same conspiracy theories as the "redpilled" folks. Really makes you think...

It's not just ISIS, Iconoclasm is a long standing tradition in a lot of different religions. The Abrahamic ones are usually the worst though and this is due to two things I think.

1. The hatred of "idols". Most religions in the world use some sort of representation of a deity in order to worship, rarely is it worshiping the actual statue but still, Abrahamics see this as idolatry which is one of the most grievous sins you can commit. It's perfectly reasonable in their minds therefore to destroy any idols present in a region they've conquered or start to become the majority in, since these idols only lead you to damnation.

2. Their religion preaches that they're the only game in town. This is less important with the Jews but very much so with Christians and Muslims. When you're operating from the perspective that every other religion is worthless, dangerous lies (very different from most pagan european religions along with hinduism, buddhism, etc) there is zero point in being tolerant of their differences.

Muhammed was often praised, even before this, for destroying the pagan idols in Mecca. And there's no doubt a couple Christians on this very board who don't give a shit about all the Hellenistic art and culture that was destroyed.

>Brown people's history is boring anyway
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Eastern_empires

you ignorant faggot

they don't destroy as much as loot and plunder like Nazis did with paintings. They do some for PR but they're not going to trash perfectly good funding

like any totalitarian ideology, the salafi-jihadists try to change reality by making history conform to their narrative. they claim to represent the glorious days of the prophet but their ideology is actually only a few decades old and explicitly fights against lived islamic traditions like veneration of saints and the prophet himself or sufi influences. it's kind of funny when you think about it: if the prophet and the pious first caliphs had wanted the ancient temples to be torn down they would have done it, wouldn't they?

It fits their theology. Mohammed told his followers to shit on idols and the like.

They sell the small stuff for money.

They want to pretend like Islam was the only religion that ever existed

>By the way, ISIS is strict to the point where even Shias are considered pagan infidels, and so this stuff also happens to Shiite shrines.

If only it applied to ISIS and if only Shi'a sites were attacked.

The Saudi government bulldozed over the grave of Muhammad's mother in 1998 and doused it in gasoline.

They destroyed huge parts of Mecca including graves and shrines of numerous companions, in order to make space for the skyscrapers that now tower over the Kaaba.

The first Saudi state sacked Mecca and Medina in 1802, destroying the grave of Fatima - Muhammad's daughter, and intending to destroy Muhammad's grave itself. The collective butthurt from the entire Muslim world made them abandon the plan.

Obviously the reason for all that is that graves, monuments and shrines are considered to be idolatrous, even if they're Muslim themselves.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites_in_Saudi_Arabia

On the other hand this piece of Las Vegas style architecture that completely overshadows the holiest place in Islam is not idolatrous at all.

Even when they sacked Jerusalem, they just turned the Dome of the Rock into a church rather than destroy it

There have been articles about how Israel says they won't support the attacks on ISIS with their own military.

People take that to mean ISIS is a Mossad proxy group to keep Hamas or Hezbollah busy.

Jesus, Saudis have such bad taste. I guess what do you expect when you prop up a bunch of desert nomads.

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