Having a high IQ

yeah but then you're too old for the toys you can finally buy. I'd rather have a boat and seadoo when im in my early 20s opposed to late 30s. You gotta play hard when you're young because later on everyone is too busy to do shit.

I'm planning on becoming a doctor but it's way harder for me since I'm an ORM (Asian). Also my grades/test scores are stellar and I'm sure they will be in college but I heard that you need significant amounts of meaningful EC's (shadowing, volunteering, research, leadership) to even be considered for medical school. Not to mention the interview skills you need to have when they call you in. Do you have any tips for me? All I truly want to be is a doctor.

If you have stellar grades and MCAT plus basic EC's, you will be guaranteed to get a seat somewhere if you apply broadly (20+ schools), even as an Asian (btw I think the affirmative action stuff is total bullshit)...But yeah, unless you are gunning for Top 10 schools, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure you maintain a high GPA and slam-dunk the MCAT...You already listed the EC's you need to have. Sounds like you know your stuff, man. You shouldn't have any problem getting in somewhere. Just make sure you have great essays (write them well in advance) and apply as early as possible. You should be submitting your primary app on the first day it opens for submission..and you should be turning in your secondary apps within 1-2 weeks of getting them MAX...If you go on studentdoctor.net (SDN), you can find previous years supplementary apps for each school and pre-write your secondary essays (they dont change much from year to year)...SDN also has a an interview feedback page where you can read interview questions that kids got. That's a good way to prep for the interviews.

Thanks man. Also, how did you personally answer when you were asked about why you wanted to become a doctor and how did you show your passion for medicine in your interviews?

as well as in your essays

I'm an immigrant, so for me it was very personal, and this may not be applicable to you, but I said how going through hardship in my own life and overcoming diversity made me want to give back to other people who may be struggling. My struggle gave me empathy. Whatever you say in yours, try to tie it back to the concept of having empathy for others. That's the key.

EDIT: I meant "overcoming *ADVERSITY*"

Fuck that on call bullshit.
No job is worth having to drop everything because someone calls your ass. I know people who've quit the whole profession a year or two out of Med school.

>apply for pediatric gynecology
>get denied

well, on to the next job

Premed here.

I'm going into a tech job, which gets 80k a year starting, which I think is reasonable for an associates degree.

But here's the deal: Being a doctor isn't all its cracked up to be. First you have to go to school for a significant chunk of your life, incurring debt like crazy. Then, you lose large chunks of your pay to mandatory insurance payments. After that you get to choose; do you open your own practice (with all the initial investments of buying machines, getting space, setting shit up, hiring people, etc) or do you get hired somewhere and get paid a quarter of what they show on that chart for the first 7 or 8 years? Not to mention you end up working huge hours and almost always being on call if you work for a hospital. Enjoy being woken up at 3am because a patient just had his Patellar Tendon snap and his knee cap is now lodged somewhere in his thigh.

And thats all ignoring all the social crap you have to deal with. Getting people to back you up, doing shadowing, getting experience, competing against other students,etc.

LOL why would I wanna make less than a teacher?

Kill yourself faggot

>pediatric gynecology

i dont want a boat or a seadoo in my early 20's
or ever?

you people are fucking ridiculous

When you work out the amount of effort put into it becoming a doctor is not worth it.

You only really start "living" life about 30 years of age.

Undergrad is HECTIC AS FUCK with how competitive it is to get a good enough gpa to be competitive. Then getting competitive MCAT scores.

Then... Med school, hard as fuck needless to say you won't be partying or enjoyign yourslef much. Then... Residency, oh boy. Enjoy making $60k or something while working 60 hours a week

Then, you're a doctor. Stressful as hell job, lots of loans to pay back. And you're around 30 years of age. Not. Worth it

wtf are your hobbies then dickweed

>all you have to do is memorize a bunch of shit
>a bunch of increadibly complex shit, half of which is in latin
>which you need to recall, perfectly, or this person in front of you will die and it will be your fault

>also your family and friends will come to you for help every time they have a minor ailment
>and when they have a major one, you get to watch them die knowing that despite your years of training, you cant save them

But hey, it makes panties wet so its all worth it right?

Th-thanks

i like cooking, finance, and electronics!

Second highest suicide rate by proffesion

Also those hours , studying + school if you just got some mediocre blue collar job with a bachelors and put in the same hours and then socked that money away into passive investments then by the time the other guy finished md plus residency and actually started working you would have like...a million dollar nestegg

Being an md for financial reasons is super retarded from a return on investment point of view

You forgot the fact that half that shit is also changing constantly, either in nomenclature or in what is considered Fact. So many things in the human body have at least two, sometimes more names. And what name is acceptable can change over time and you'll meet old men and young students who won't know what they fuck you're talking about. The old doc knows it as the Ampulla of Vater because he's left over from the time when everything was named after shitty german anatomy imperialists who got off on naming every knob and blob after themselves. Meanwhile the kids call it the hepatopancreatic ampulla because we're trying to transition into a more self explanatory and straight forward system. Except there's no clear concensus on how that works so you get dozens of different systems and people can't fucking agree on anything.

There are 3 fucking major schools on exactly how you should classify the organization of hepatocytes in the liver. One is based on pig liver and isn't very well analogous to human liver AND YET is still used a lot. Another does some stupid fucking triangle with the Triad vessels, but it doesn't describe shit. And the third has fucking concentric rings and vaguely defined zones of influence.

Medicine is an infinitely expanding fractal hell of shit you don't know that is made up of hundreds of individual things you don't know, and so on and so forth for eternity. There's a reason most general practitioners are actually really shitty doctors and why there are so many specialties. It is simply too much shit for one person to ever remember.

>the brute force route to riches and bitches.

Except again , lets use an rn for example

4 years and boom out of school working then they work the same hours as the md who still hasnt even started residency and by the time the doctor can practice our "brute force" registerd nurse has a million dollar nest egg

I like more expensive crap I guess, fishing,boating,quading,guns, snowmobiles etc

You sound like you are intimately familiar with anatomy. Are you a self-loathing medfag?

I'm premed for a tech job. I just run a machine and get paid 80k a year because the medical industry is bananas. But everyone, even us techs, has to learn some A&P.

You know what they don't tell you about in the pamphlet? That one awkward lab class where you're all just walking around holding cups of your own piss so you can do tests for glomerular filtration functionality.

Someone went through that much trouble just to shove it down doctors faces.
You average around 300k in debt for medical schools and you work an extra 2-6 years in residency for shit pay while your loans are accumulating interest. Not to mention you'll work in some network where your pay is capped and half your income is going toward malpractice insurance for the day you get sued by a fat American who say you called him fat. For all that hassle I rather get a two PhD; one in EE and the other in physics. Hard but a much better life than being a doctor. Plus these days RN know much more than MDs. Only specialized MDs know more but they are few in numbers. RN only need a two or four year degree and its welcoming men with open arms because they need them for the heavy lifting(fat people). They make on median 75k but good RN make around 135k.

I wanted to be a doctor but couldnt afford school. Now that i can i feel like im too old to start. Id be 49 before i started making money

40* not 49

Wtf is an intellectual peen

How did you get a job like that? It can't be that simple of a job if you're getting paid 80k.

Being a doctor sucks; the only thing you got right is that it's a brute-force route to a stable income.
You're either deluded or trying to bait doctors (in this case, it worked)

yeah, entry level medical jobs like pharm techs and lab techs only make around 30k

The job I do, or I'm training for at least, is basically running a machine. Like a CAT scan. You have to be specially trained to use them, both in the science behind it and in the actual operation of the machine.

It's about 3 years of schooling, 2 of which is the program itself. Mine lets in 10 people each year and the program itself is pretty fucking intense. But it's quick, only costs about 1k each semester, and my job is related, mostly, to cancer. Which is a growth industry; pardon the pun.

Because unless you are the cream of the crop and literal top 5% of population you will never get a job in it, for the exact reason you said, it's "easy" money. You will be a small fish in a big pond of intelligence and you will drown.

>Hundreds of thousands in debt
>High insurance costs
>High stress
>Risky profession from contagious clients

Yeah,nah. Engineeringforme mate.

Tbh user if I want to make 400k a year 20 years into my career I damn well hope it's passive income.

Because by the time you get that 300k salary, you'll already be 30 after 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of med school, and another 4 years of residency. Don't forget that during those 12 years, you'll be pulling 60-80 hour workweeks.

I'll already have enough money to retire by 30 with my bachelor's in engineering.

You're studying in the Carri bean, aren't you?

Yeah no. No one will ever respect you. And PS, you will never earn that much money.

But good for you, go get em champ

What did you go to school for/what is your job title?

Shit, is that graph accurate? In the UK doctors start on about £22-30k and progress up to £50-80k, depending on specialisation. You'd only be hitting £100k+ if you were a consultant or senior management or something like that. If that's the average salary in the US, you guys are lucky.

Because it's boring. I stress about my job market everyday. If I wanted a job more than I wanted to be interested in my work, I would have studied analytical chemistry. I would rather shoot myself in the head than study analytical.

You're going to find it's not worth all that money. Working in a place where the sick and dying congregate, long long hours, years of dedication to your field, all for a few nice cars and a big house? Find another way. Doctoring isn't an episode of greys anatomy friendo. those doctors at the top end of the salary scale probably see at least 1 person die a day. That's a family you have to say "despite my years of education and high opinion of myself for getting here, I fucked up and your [loved one] is dead".

It's not pretty. Doctors break down all the time. I've seen it.

You are a true bizrailey

You are the man I wish to become.

That is because we don't have Universal Health Care, but with Obamacare salaries are going down and now doctors got to do more paper work than ever before

I study Medicine in Brazil. It is by far the best job to have when it comes to money. Here you can go to public schools if you study hard enough. They're harder to get in than private schools. We have strong affirmative actions that benefit the poor and black people, also '"pardos" (mixed race people). People have been lying about their race though, because who would deny an opportunity? The affirmative actions only aim people who went to public schools though.

Here, you need 6 years to become a doctor, but you can get in just after High School. It usually takes 2-3 years of preparation course though. Some very bright and hard working people don't need it though.

When I said public schools in the first paragraph I meant public colleges/universities.

Sorry for my English... I said "though" so many times.

I'll write again...

I study Medicine in Brazil. It is by far the best job to have when it comes to money. Here you can go to public universities if you study hard enough. They're more difficult to get in than private universities. Here we have strong affirmative actions that benefit the poor, black people and "pardos" (mixed race people). Folks have been lying about their ethnicity though, because who would deny an opportunity like that? Nonetheless, it is important to notice that affirmative actions only aim people who went to public schools, so it benefits the most this black guy that is also poor (his grades need to be ridiculously low. For you to get an idea: it is easier for a poor black guy to get in Medicine that for a middle class person to get in Law).

Here, you need 6 years to become a doctor, but you can get in just after High School. It usually takes 2-3 years of preparation course howbeit. Some very bright and hard working people don't need it however.

what job m8

hell yeah i like you, you sound cool. what guns you got

I'm pretty squeamish so I don't think I could handle the minor surgical things that a doctor does (stitching up small wounds and shit)

Another thing brah, if you're doing it solely for the money you're gonna burn out and be a shitty doctor

Not even joking

Which one of these jobs is the most passive and stress free ? which one is the hardest / stressul ?

Midwest detected. Hello brother

I like the same things as him but I was out on the bay with my guns and hit a big wave and I lost all of them. It sucks.

>I'm in medical school
>I'm gonna specialize in radiology

Match Day is a lot like the reaping. May the odds be ever in your favor, user.

My parents are MDs
>Dad: Cardiothoracic surgeon also does pulmonary work
>Mom: Oncology/Hematology/Internal Medicine

My parents are always on call and it's extremely stressful. They are immigrants from Syria and are now citizens, but deep down they would rather be something else.

It's a lot of training and hard work but my parents do make a lot of money.

I've shadowed both parents quite a bit and have seen an organ harvest which was pretty gnarly.

>Me: PhD student in biomedical sciences. Focus on genetics and computational biology. My thesis is about discovering novel Autism and Schizophrenia candidate genes. I do machine learning and if being a professor doesn't fall through I can program for biotech/finance.

I probably won't make as much money as my parents (esp. Dad) unless I join a biotech and get a lot of stock options. But I'm very happy with what I do and generally love science. I think my dad would have rather been an academic (his father was a linguistics professor in Syria)

Attached, my training set for a machine learning classifier I made to predict the copy number state of putative deletions.

My parents in a 3rd world country got MDs for FREE and then immigrated to the US. My dad makes over 300k mom is less but adjusted for the area she lives (poor as shit) is around 150-200k

>America needs to figure out it's student debt problem
>And no Boiney will not do it right

You obviously do not have one.

>Intellectual boner/penis?
>Comparing intellect to a penis size contest

No NHS to cap prices.

Problem with Americans, is that the government ends up paying 1/3 of healthcare costs, at 'free market' prices.

In Italy it's the same but you should take down one 0...
How is it even possible that you pay so much doctors?? It is normal job here...

Your English is fine. You write better than most white people.

Interesting that for a nation full of mixed race people they offer advantages to those of mixed race. Seems, like....negative action.

>"high" IQ
>Chooses to get worked like a slave.

OK mate.

Can this be a medical professional thread?

Physician: too much school and unreal work loads

Dentist: too much school and the pay doesn't offset it

Pharmacist: less school than dentist and physician and the pay is decent. I almost went this rate, but the field is saturated.

Physical therapist: just as much school as a dentist with substantially less pay

Occupational therapist: not sure what it does, but it makes decent money

Dental hygienist: I recommend this one. You can choose how long you want to go to school. Very in demand and a bachelor in it nets about $60k+

The technician and assistant jobs for all these are pretty terrible. Most require 2 year degrees and the pay is never more than 30k with no upwards mobility.

The reason why I find this infographic so legit is that I compare where doctors live to where teachers live and clearly teachers are better off.

>save people's lives

More like rob poor people for your over inflated salary

A tragic boating accident?
Sadly common occurrence these days.

>too old for the toys you can finally buy
Who gives a shit, if you take care of yourself, you're good into your 50s as a man.

Genetic gerontology in out lifetimes anyway.

The amount of sacrifices you have to make to be a doctor just isn't worth the extra money, unless you actually enjoy it.

I am. Look forward to being rich.

>panty wetting
>having a sub8 face
pick one

It's how non good looking people cope with the fact that you will never make anyone's panties wet unless you are handsome.

lol at spending your prime years studying in hopes of getting laid

So nurse practitioner and PAs are considered the best jobs in America.

Masters with optional Doctorate for NPs (Doctor of Nursing Practice).

4+2 (+1 extra for DNP) years of total college, $100k a year job.

PAs can work in any field. NPs have to choose, but they can open their own offices/clinics in more and more states (plus their authority is from their own personal nursing license).

Nursing has pre-reqs and often have waitlists to get in as well. Also the 2+1 NP programs are extremely difficult to get into. So you're liking looking at 10 years in reality.

Well, if you are just starting out in college you can go right into a BSN program. Nursing is smart because you have so many levels of advancement ASN, BSN, MSN, DNP which all open more doors, but with the option to exit.

NP programs have lower GPA requirements than PA and M.D./D.O. I mean, if people can't manage a 3.2 undergrad then they shouldn't be going to grad school anyway.

At least in my state, I'm not aware of any programs that are wait listing well-qualified students. Seems like a much bigger problem for slackers and fuck-ups.

>tfw no degree and I make 100-115k a year as a cop.

It's crazy, to me, people taking out 30-50k+ loans for college to make 50-70k a year...and you don't even have good insurance or retirement in most of those positions

Bullshit on RNs knowing more than M.D.s. It's not even close at all. There are some good nurses, but to compare their knowledge is laughable.

I'm a PA. I was working as a paramedic while I finished my bachelor's and got into PA school. Been doing that for 3 years now. I came out of all my school with $30k in debt (bachelor's and master's). I'm making $130k a year working with a cardiologist. The practice pays malpractice, pays for continuing education, as well as quarterly bonuses.

A lot of the doctors I've worked with tell me that they wish they'd gone the PA route, for what it's worth.

Is this pasta? I've seen this post on Veeky Forums before. Can you please be more specific and ask your friend why he would rather have went to HVAC school instead?

It's not pasta.

My buddy is a back and spine doctor.

Because trades are simple. Way more simple than any college track. And you can start at like 18-20. Doctors aren't even collecting real paychecks until like 30. And even once they begin they have a shitload of debt. AND medicine is a stressful job that carries a lot of liability.

Some trades are easier and more lucrative than others. HVAC is pretty goddamn lucrative. Properly fixing/installing the vents in someones home can be a $10k - $20k bill, and the work can be completed in 2 or 3 days by 2 or 3 guys. So you do the math user, it's basically a license to print money, and you're doing something that's fuckin dirt simple.

Compare that to having an anesthetized patient on the table and you are directing a laser device around their exposed spine.

But hey if you want to go into medicine because you love it and want to help people, then more power to you.

The problem with that is that a lot of doctors don't come from a background where it's seen as acceptable to go into a blue collar trade like that. Probably 75% or more come from affluent families, and a lot of them are children and grandchildren of doctors. When they're young, they wouldn't dream of going to their neurologist daddy or oncologist mommy and telling them that they want to be a plumber.

Dont be stupid, medics earn that wage here in Italy aswell

My wife's dad is a PA. He makes over $200k a year including bonuses etc. It's seriously the smartest thing someone wanting a career in medicine can do. He said the doctors are on about $100k more than him but as has already been raised, they have more expenses etc. He finished top of his PA class and it's just 2 more years to become an actual doctor but he says there's NO incentive to do that.

In a sense, it's 2 more years to be an M.D., but that's not really how it works. There's no PA to M.D. bridge program. You'd have to go back through med school, residency, etc. So, total time, start to finish, yeah, M.D. is about 2 years longer, but not going from PA to M.D.

Good to see nonces are at the bottom

>pediatric gynecology
MODS

Med school takes too long

I have to touch the most disgusting parts of other peoples bodies

Boring, mundane work, every single day is the same

You can make more money with a much more fun job in the finance industry

This, it's being a wageslave for a higher wage.

Gp may be shit, but hey, they get alot of money. work reasonable hours. and all they need to do is know which specialist to send a guy too. Doesnt seem that hard.

>O you got symptoms other than a common cold? go get these tests,
>o they came back with these results go see this guy, its his problem now.

Bias by country. Pharmacist in Aus for example get paid less than a lifeguard who did a 300$ course.

Dentistry get a shitload. Physician also do, but not as much as dentists.

At the end of the day, it's just glorified retail.

'I want something for muh foot!'
Here you go. Would you like something for your 'betus while you're here?

Doctor salaries in the US are ludicrously unsustainable and surgeons are going to get BTFO by automation within a decade.

>adjusted for the area she lives (poor as shit) is around 150-200k
that's it i'm done being polite to my GP when she's worthless af

GP are basically pharma reps

They look at you, guess what you have, and write a prescription.

If pills don't work, then they refer you to a specialist.

Literally anyone with access Google could do the job of a GP

It amazes me that you legally have to have a referral from a GP to see certain specialists.