In case anyone wanted to see how the series originally ended (before the remaster):
Gundam SEED Destiny Original Ending
I know how it ended. I was there when it ended. And frankly the remaster ending didn't really fix all that much.
wow this is really bad
>tfw left to die a slow, cold death on the moon
I like the added scene at the end where they somewhat redeem Shin and everyone becomes bros.
He should feel lucky that Kira was feeling merciful
>Forgive me for defying you, Lord Yamato. I have seen the error of my ways.
If Shinn had just punched Kira right then and there? 10/10 anime of the year of all years.
They deserved it.
That was the worst, though.
Shinn's character only makes sense if you view it as a gradual descent into insanity. This culminates with him going nuts in his final battle with Athrun and almost killing Luna.
And then fast forward a few days and he's suddenly snapped back to sanity and thrown away all of his rage to agree with Kira.
It's pretty much the problem with Shinn in a nutshell: the writer just couldn't seem to decide what they wanted to do with him.
Except Shin has absolutely nothing to be raged about anymore after the final battle. War is over, time for him to fuck Luna some more in these peaceful times.
I'd be angry if my second best friend, the man I put my trust in, and my ideals were completely crushed by the same guy that accidentally killed my entire family, and his sniveling sidekick with PTSD and loyalty issues.
Valid reasons they may be doesn't mean Shin would choose them himself.
Shinn was struggling to follow the Destiny Plan anyway. He was kind of iffy on it, and only Rey trying to Stella guilt trip him and the fact that it was people he already didn't like anyway motivated him to keep fighting ending in him totally losing it and almost killing Luna.
After that, he'd probably have second guesses about continuing to rage at them, especially when carrying a chip on his shoulder for so long got him nothing in the end.
Between that and things actually calming down once team Lacus won, and he's really got no reason to keep trying to fight them. He'd be no better than Blue Cosmos if he tried to keep resisting and fighting against them just because he's pissed at stuff that's long over.
Didn't one of the SRW games have Dearka point out that Kira and Shinn have similar ideals (minus Shinn's willingness to kill), and that they should just team up and forget Chairman Douchebag?
Still better than garbage like IBO and 0080
IBO is better than the whole seed tho. Stay mad
Except it isn't, IBOfag
That was L.
>Athrun goes without a scratch even after Shinn tries to protect Luna
No, fuck this. SRW's SEED Destiny is the only one I know.
Wow. What a great ending
What I thought would have been ironic is that if the Destiny Plan had wound up screwing the Coordinators over in the long run.
Like, the Natural person who would become the Doctor that solves the issue of Coordinator sterility never gets to do so because the Destiny Plan slotted him into a different function in life.
Your fanfiction means little.
As much as your opinion.
Even if you don't have anything to get angry about anymore, you're not going to suddenly become better. Shinn would need years of therapy for him to get better.
It makes perfect sense though. Athrun, when focused and in SEED mode, has never lost and has a suit geared for close combat whereas Shinn is close to frothing at the mouth and has no focus. Shinn getting demolished so quickly was extremely fitting and satisfying and that's coming from someone who loves Destiny and Shinn.
Shinn was a shitter and deserved to remain stranded in the moon
Is there any thing that covers the political situation in SEED after the second war?
>War is over
War fucks people up and Kira's actions still caused a lot of problems for him and his allies.
Just because you can't afford the games and the console, doesn't mean you can just spout your meaningless "opinion", Paco.
>It makes perfect sense though. Athrun, when focused and in SEED mode, has never lost and has a suit geared for close combat
When has Athrun got into a significant fight on Gundam SEED by his lonesome with SEED Mode? Every time he went into SEED Mode, he'd do something, and then they would run off. Most of the time the Druggies would run off, it was because their drugs ran out, and less so because of getting their asses handed to them that badly. Even with that, it took him AND Kira AND their METEORS to take down Calamity, the long range Gundam in close combat.
By this standard, that means that nobody from the CE 73 piloting era is as good as anyone the goddamn Druggie Trio.
I'm not even against the idea that Athrun could beat Shinn, but the idea that he could do it so effortlessly seems more like because that was the stock footage they had to use, because they didn't have the time for anything else, than more so than Shinn falling apart
Also, I don't get the narrative behind it. The idea we're told after the episode airs is that he was unbalanced and losing his shit, but why? Going by his dialogue, he seems pretty fucking convinced of the Destiny Plan, and he seems pretty fucking angry at Athrun for not liking it.
Also, if the idea is that he's unbalanced and unfocused and that's why he lost so badly,, shouldn't he have been unable to go into SEED Mode?
Sometimes a spade is a spade, and a poorly written sequence is just that.
>the same guy that accidentally killed my entire family
He doesn't know that, dumbass.
Athrun back in SEED would have straight-up murdered Kira had Aegis not run out of power during its last fight.
If there was EVER a moment in anime to re-enact the scene between Tatsuya and Philemon, this was it.
Wait what, they changed the ending in the HD version? What did they change?
>Also, I don't get the narrative behind it. The idea we're told after the episode airs is that he was unbalanced and losing his shit, but why? Going by his dialogue, he seems pretty fucking convinced of the Destiny Plan, and he seems pretty fucking angry at Athrun for not liking it.
Also, if the idea is that he's unbalanced and unfocused and that's why he lost so badly,, shouldn't he have been unable to go into SEED Mode?
You're not supposed to understand it. This is what happens when your entire overall plot is literally written on a week-by-week basis and constantly shifting the show in response to monthly fan polls starting from whatever point Sunrise ran out of pre-planned material and let an untalented director go totally improv (roughly around halfway through the show).
That's not saying much since said mentioned SRW also had Durandal being converted and joining up with Kira as well.
Yeah, but he didn't effortlessly and flawlessly defeat him.
how much did /m/ bitch when FLAWLESS VICTORY first aired?
i love this picture user
That made me very angry. Honestly, Shin was the only person left who wasn't a complete a slave to the perfect couple. Not to worry though, they fixed that.
Honestly they should have left it open with him being the Char for the SEED movie they never made.
/m/ had already lost faith in the show by that point. The bitching had already started weeks earlier. Compare it more to the end of AGE, people were mad, but a lot of us assumed what we were getting.
>people were mad
I will never understand this.
Why get mad at a TV show? Especially one you already hate?
Why get mad about anything? People have an emotional attachment to gundam as a brand. For, I imagine, a good number if not a majority of people on /m/, it's something they're passionate about. Why would people passionate about something be made when they feel like its been wronged.
>still in denial phase
Lmao. Get over it
You never saw the Final Plus? They incorporated it into the Destiny blurays replacing the original ending.
Destiny ended right before Jesus Yamato arrived on the scene. Pretend everything that happened after didn't happen.
It's not Athrun's fault Shinn couldn't put up as much of a fight as pre-Jesus Kira or a trio of drug addicts.
Holy shit that was some real shit men
> everyone becomes Bro at the end in the remastered version
Top kek. All of them would had been bedridden lunatics. They are bunch of teenagers ffs
>Also, if the idea is that he's unbalanced and unfocused and that's why he lost so badly,, shouldn't he have been unable to go into SEED Mode?
Not necesserily. There's Seed mode due to rage or desperation and Seed mode due to being able to focus and activate it at will. Kira and Athrun learned how to do the second, but Shinn never did. Even in the final episodes it would always just trigger once he got angry enough, or if he deliberately thought about all the things that made him angry, meaning he never learned how to control it properly.
They're coordinators not pussy naturals
That makes it even more severe.
>NICOL WAS 15!
>HE LOVED TO PLAY PIANO
That's just stress and hormones acting up all at once, at least in Athrun's case. Dude did just think he killed his best friend in a fit of rage, after all.
I have to agree with and . There's no reason or buildup for Shinn to suddenly throw away his ideals and agree to be another pawn in Kira/Lacus' growing personalty cult, especially when he already spent a good amount of episodes prior to that debating whether or not he agreed with Durandal's Destiny Plan which in all fairness makes a huge amount of sense because everyone in that universe is bloody insane.
All Shinn wanted was peace. Kira and Lacus offered another route to peace. Continuing to fuck up the world just out of spite would be even more OOC for Shinn honestly.
I can see now:
>Kira: Let's be friends! *extends his hand*
>Shinn: *clenches his fist, thinks for a moment, then punches Kira right in his Perfectly Coordinated face*
>Kira: *wipes the blood away* Yeah, I probably deserved that. Still, let's be friends. *extends his hand again*
>Shinn: *starts to tear up at Lord Jesus' magnanimity, shakes Kira's hand*
>Scene proceeds as normal
Same ending, but at least we get a freeze frame of Kira getting socked in the face to use for memes.
You know, I can actually see that working too.
IIRC, it was a big deal in one of the SRW games when Shinn learned to activate Seed mode at will.
Athrun beating Shinn in those circumstances makes sense, but it's just shitty that we didn't get a decent fight out of it, especially since this is supposed to be the big final battle that the tail end of GSD was building up to (ignoring that it should've been Kira vs Shinn to begin with, fucking stock footage).
Well, like I said, I'm not saying that Athrun CAN'T beat Shinn.
>Not necesserily. There's Seed mode due to rage or desperation and Seed mode due to being able to focus and activate it at will.
Would you please stop making shit up?
He's right though, there's two ways to active SEED.
And they showed both ways (well three, if you count Shinn's reverse animation activation).
More like months earlier, it was already in full blown swing by the 20-30's
Because they didn't hate it? That is a cynical as hell assumption to start off with, if anything most loved the first 12 episodes except the UC diehards who already condemned it to death. Ep 14 onwards was when the descent began and never let up.
Insane or not, at least the Earth Federation equivalent acted like they actually wanted to win a conflict and didn't do that load of bull the Federation in the UC does.
I always thought it said something that the Earth Alliance can create better fighters than a Coordinator without much effort.
Well when your pilots are on space-meth, they tend to be pretty effective.
Only that Captain Gundam shit was worse than Destiny.
captain gundam was kino
Stop making shit up. I refuse to do the DBZ-fandom head-canon horseshit here.
The very definition and purpose of SEED Mode is that the user has increased his focus. Don't make me go to the Japanese wikia.
Isn't that why Athrun couldn't use it in most of GSD because he was doubting himself?
Bullshit, the remaster and movie ending actually had an ending. The climax was a total bore but it didnt even have closure without that.
Destiny is a solid 6/10 with that ending and without it, it's a 4/10 at best.
This right here. GSD Tv didn't even have an ending. Zaft just lost one space fortress while the Lacus Faction posed. Literally the war could have kept on going right there for all we knew.
Final Plus at least gave the conflict a resolution and explained where the politics went for better or worse.
> Even with that, it took him AND Kira AND their METEORS to take down Calamity, the long range Gundam in close combat.
>By this standard, that means that nobody from the CE 73 piloting era is as good as anyone the goddamn Druggie Trio.
Well, there's Yzak, who wiped out the remaining 2/3rds of that trio with no drugs or SEED mode (and in a more basic Gundam to boot).
>Zaft just lost one space fortress while the Lacus Faction posed. Literally the war could have kept on going right there for all we knew.
I recall the name of it, but there was a game where the Clyne Faction do the FLAWLESS VICTORY pose... only to then all explode, and seconds later ZAFT forces fly in to proclaim victory for Durandal.
Sad to say, I had the picture of that on my old laptop before it died a couple months back.
for some reason I love this guy, the quotes from gundam seed from him are amazing
Yeah, the space fortress that was pretty much the heart of ZAFT.
>Literally the war could have kept on going right there for all we knew.
Did anyone even have the capacity to continue the conflict?
With the loss of Messiah, Requiem and with the losses everyone sustained, couldn't one assume even the most belligerent of factions would come to the table to negotiate?
>I don't understand emotions and people
Is it me or does it seem like people don't like the Atlantic Federation?
I keep hearing gripes about them on forums.
Zaft was still in decent shape. Yeah they lost their WMDs but they still had their giant MS deploying ship and based on all the signal flares and returning MS's they recalled still had most of their fleet intact.
Meanwhile the Orb fleet had taken heavy losses, although the AA/Eternal team was mostly untouched. And if it came down to it it's unlikely they'd attacks the Plants outright. They'd hit the point where they'd disabled or destroyed all the big threats they could complain about and would have to basically go back to Orb and leave Plant alone lest they actually try to conquer it in the name of Orb, which is something none of the protagonists would want to do.
Zaft probably would have still lost in the end, but they could have kept the battle going for a while still and mostly stopped because with all of the Durandal loyalisted wiped out, nobody else in Zaft really wanted to try fighting to the bitter end for a plan they weren't all that enthused about in the first place.
They're kind of evil with extreme racism, user
Isn't their leadership that's the problem in the Atlantic Federation?
Speaking of which, who takes over after the other president?
With the Atlantic Federation being the most powerful nation on Earth, it seems like it could be problematic if all of their anti-coordinator influences weren't rooted out.
Problem is that it isn't actually the Government in control of the AF. It was a bunch of racists who ran the military industrial complex. Azreal, for example is a glorified Lobbyist for Blue Cosmos (anti coordinator group) who somehow ended up in the OMNI command structure. Blue Cosmos is basically funded by LOGOS which was a military industrial complex group.
That sounds vaguely similar to Metal Gear's plotline to a certain degree.
Though did they root their influence completely out of the Atlantic Federation?
At the end of the day Logos itself was wiped out by the Zaft and alliance of other forces. This was orchestrated under the guy with Char's voice, so that he could springboard momentum in to the destiny plan. Since they're all dead you can pretty safely say they're out of the AF leadership.
However, the setting is still fucked. Naturals still have every justification to hate coordinators. That's what happens when you establish a setting where a group of people are inherent better than others. At the end of the day what Destiny established as the future of the setting was peace through Lacus' strength.
It wasn't flawless
It's because he's one of the few people that can see (and call out) how retarded his universe and the people living in it is.
One of the worst things about the ending is that Mwu gets away with killing numerous towns and Shinn's love interest just because he's friends with Jesus. I'll never get over how Shinn just forgets how Mwu promised he'd never force Stellar to return to battle.
Azrael did nothing wrong
I want that shirt.
Kira bit his cheek. That owie counts a flaw. Human nature, truly our greatest enemy. It even afflicts a coordinator Jesus.
What do you call a victory with no casualty, heck, without so much as a scratch on the main "good guys" then?
And they dared promote Destiny with posters like this.
why they kept promoting Destiny vs SF? they only fought ONCE and that was when Kira caught Shinn sword with HIS BARE FUCKING HANDS and made the zaft retard look even more like a chump
Wasn't that the one drawn by am artist who came out and said he was just told to draw something cool?
Yeah, pretty much.
He said something along the lines of that he had no idea of what was going to happen, they didn't give him a script or anything, they just said "draw something cool!" so he did.
And unlike other rumor mills, here's him actually saying it.
>it should've been Kira vs Shinn to begin with, fucking stock footage).
No, shoulda been Shinn v. Athrun with Kira still kill.