Was the Greek, Assyrian and Armenian genocide really necessary in order to create the modern state of Turkey?

>we even had a political party here openly denying the Armenian genocide

Which one?

Japan has officially apologized for their war crimes multiple times.

None of those genocides were perpetrated by the people who actually built the modern state of Turkey. They were self-serving policies of a dying Ottoman Empire and Enver's butthurt.
>Also why does everyone nit-pick Turkey? Is it because the genocide is still recent in everyone's minds?
Because nobody has ever talked with Turks from Turkey of various backgrounds about this subject. They can't understand what is being denied, why it's being denied and in what way it's being denied. In fact, the Turks themselves aren't sure about these either.

>Japan still denies Nanking,
Chinese are the enemy of the US, nobody cares about them.
>Russia denies Circassia, etc
Circassians don't have powerful international lobbies and victim complexes, plus most of them are Turks now so nobody cares about them.
Some Western countries pretended nothing was going on while Pol Pot was basically genociding his own people, but no one gives a shit about Cambodians so the West has no responsibility.
Armenians have ethnically cleansed Azerbaijanis, but no one gives a shit about them either.

Admitting that something happened presupposes that you know what exactly happened. The Turks don't, most are actually unaware of the Enver gang's policies and think that the charges are only about the later ethnic violence between Turks and Armenians & Greeks, where no single party was responsible or instigator. But it's easy to get confused about it when you literally don't know anything substantial about this people.
Further, the defense that many put forward, which is that the Republic cannot be responsible for what the people it dethroned or otherwise fought, is actually unassailable. Ataturk himself recognized what those people did, but didn't apologize because he was the one who kicked them out in the first place.

>Domesticated Islam
lol. The country who, if you believe the Russians trained and armed ISIS along with the Qataris and sold IS oil and if you believe the Americans, at the very least can't police their activity within its own borders.

It's laughable, but that's how Turkey is presented.

I imagine an intervention of Turkey would be harder than an intervention of the Arab states.

Not OP, but realistically, given that the mood of the time favored nation states, Turkey would have had extremely different borders had the parts which were majority Turkish been the only parts to become modern Turkey. If you look at am ethnic map of Turkey in 1905 or so, it was really a patchwork quilt of peoples, as the Ottoman Empire was fairly cosmopolitan and multicultural, much like Austria-Hungary, but with people spread all over. You would have had the nation-states of Armenia, Assyria and Tuekey consist of a bunch of enclaves and exclaves had the nation-states been based on existing populations. Of course, the Turks also drove the Armenians off of land they considered particularlyrics desirable. None of this justifies genocide, obviously; if anything it shows that the concept of a nation-state can be disastrous.

Also, countries "nitpick" Turkey over this because they don't just deny it happened, they say it was a defensive action and that the Armenians were just as bad to the Turks. That seems ridiculous when you look at an ethnic map of the Ottoman Empire pre-genocide and them look at the modern borders of Armenia.

>Armenians have ethnically cleansed Azerbaijanis
No they have not.

The Turkish genocide is particularly bothersome because they are the last ones to arrive to Anatolia, and killed/expulsed people nations who had been there since the iron age, like Armenian or Greeks.
1000 years ago there werent Turks in Turkey, 2500 years ago Armenia was satrapy of the achaemenid empire and Armenians had already a history of centuries there.
The Turkish genocide was the closest thing to killing the native population you can do in Turkey.

They should have made a federation. When you're trying to turn a multi-cultural/multi-ethnic land into a single country that's what you do, you don't commit fucking genocide. Anyway, the Turkish establishment back then derived largely from the Western part and Ataturk himself and his movement were promising. Maybe that's why they were so kind to them.

That's thanks to Fearless Leader's policies. Turkey was a very different place before the AKP and the State did not aid terrorists (well, not foreign ones). Whoever pretends it's still the same country today has an ulterior motive or is simply ignorant though.
But hey, no one really cared about Turkey and the rise of Islamism until like what, last year? And now people are flipping their shit the more they learn of what kind of things the country has been engaged in, such as aiding ISIS (something that any random anti-AKP Turk off the street could tell you before the idea ever occurred to the Western public). Little do they know is that it's a mere glimpse to the box of madness that's been filled to the brim, very steadily, for 15 years.

They didn't kill millions, sure. They still killed people for their ethnicity. Not to mention displaced hundreds of thousands, which also counts as ethnic cleansing.

Of course it is. Look at he current genocide of Kurds.

Correct man!

they are not responsible for what their grandparants did, but for denying it and for commiting new genocides in kurdistan

Reminder that there are more than 8 million Kurds in Western Turkey, and they are living their lifes without any problems.

>Kurdistan
>Kurd
>Istan

>"pure Kurds" don't exist any more than pure Turks exist, this is literally a racist fabrication by a certain group within Kurds who pretty much believe they are Aryans and are butthurt that the diverse collective of people referred to as Turks actually include shittons of Kurds
>isn't exclusively composed of the people who call themselves Kurds, there are just Kurdish majorities in some areas
>does not and has never existed as an actual geopolitical entity

The >>> of our era. And the West eats this up.

>There was no armenian genocide but there should have beem

Why does the international community pick on Israel despite the situation being much more questionable than in many many other parts of the world?
Because it has easy access for reporters, freedom of speech and is weak.

>implying the UN does not have a majority of dictatorial opressive countries.

Its a shitshow.

>Because most civilized countries admit what they did and apologize for it.

lmao

maybe officially. and only sometimes, if they are forced to by a power greater than them. Turkey, Russia, China, Japan. The US keeps "apologizing" for it's shit, while continuing to commit more.

no, the actual reason is because Turkey is Muslim so Europeans don't want to accept anything at all from them, even though Turkey was just as bad as the rest of the European Empires.

bullshit. They are just a puppet state to the US and Saudi Arabia, and aid in their interests in the region, by aiding terror groups.

"pure" groups don't exist, won't exist, and have never existed. this is all nonsense based on 1800s sociology, which is constantly proven wrong and stupid.

>"pure" groups don't exist, won't exist, and have never existed.
That's what I said. And the greatest trick of the Kurds pushing for this, the ones who support terrorism for the creation of HRE 2.0, is to pretend that they're dedicated fighters for equality, feminism, freedom etc.
Meanwhile IRL all they did was to kill thousands upon thousands of conscripts and civilians, bully local Kurdish families or just take their children away to ensure a regular supply of fighters and resources AND support a terrible feudal system for what, 40 years now?
The inability and unwillingness of Turkish governments for decades in listening to the plea of Kurds oppressed both by the State as well as the armed Kurdish bullies is of course an extremely major fault, but no one should pretend that those Kurds who today are presented as selfless freedom fighters to the ignorant Western public are actually dindu nuffins.

I agree, Israel gets picked on as well, but to be fair thats an ongoing conflict and they are on the winning side. Being on the winning side shows you in a negative light. What was it, just 2 years ago people were crying over those Gazans getting blown up.

t. Hairy Turkroach

It also has to do with anti colonial sentiment and white guilt.
If all jews in israel were to dissapear there would probably be way more massacres in the area as muslim groups started fighting over it.
Arab muslim culture is very primitive.
Western culturl reletivism fails to realize that social entities can be primitive or advanced and that there is no visible solution to promoting primitive social entities into advanced one without what advanced societies call capitalist exploitation.
Part of being a modern advanced society is having large private entities that search for pimitive social entities to interact with.

The problem is that the Arabs still think they can usurp Israel and they elect right wing extremist groups like PLO, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood to do so. I think creating the state to begin with was a bad idea but the Arabs need to learn peace and accept their defeat.

I think that the best solution might be a neo colonialism of societies that understand the realities of inferior and superior social entities as function of history and thus do not feel themselves as inherently superior on an individual level.

I mean in what way can modern advanced socieites help shitty societies improve? They have to "donate" resoruces and time to hasten social growth through massive education and other means.
The alternaive is what we are doing now, interacting with individuals in primitive societies in the only way in which we can interact with them, through using their only resources which is cheap labor.

Uhhh, the age of colonialism ended. If the people in the colonies wanted the imperials to stay they wouldn't have chased them away.

Reread what i wrote and actually comment on it instead of seenig the word colonialism and rushing to post a reply.

Here's a thought: Maybe the Azeris shouldn't have tried to massacre Armenian civilians if they didn't want to be kicked out of Armenia? Note Azeris have displaced people, from the war they started, not massacre victims. And fair enough, you can't expect Armenians to live with people trying to kill them.

t. Roachoz Roachoglu Roachoman

Don't talk about turks like you aren't one when you obviously are.

Speaking as an Assyrian. We all fucking hate Turkey because they refuse to accept that the genocide occurred, and because Turkey has armed groups of the same ilk as ISIS (if not also ISIS itself) which in turn leads to the further displacement of Christians in the Middle East.

I have nothing against the Turkish people - their government, however, is a disgusting beast.

>Was the Greek, Assyrian and Armenian genocide really necessary in order to create the modern state of Turkey?

Yes, it was necessary. Turkey was not - and could never be - a national state. For centuries, it remained united by a multinational empire, under the Sultan of the Ottoman State and Caliph of Islam.

It never owed its unit to an ethnicity of goat farmers in Anatolia.

To create a national state - and nationality - the Young Turks, and within these, the Kemalists - resorted, in addition to the damnatio memoriae to their own country, to the genocide and removal of all other groups on its borders.

If this was a good exchange, it is quite questionable.
But was that the coup government of 1913, and that the new coup government of 1922, chose to do.

>Also why does everyone nit-pick Turkey? Is it because the genocide is still recent in everyone's minds?

No. It is because those gentlemen, maintaining the tradition of the flea-bitten and putschist tyrant Mustafa Kemal, repeatedly denies that the genocide took place, reaching to the verge of ridicule of making the simple statement of the occurrence illegal.

Good post. Post more man we need more like you on this board

The same could be said about the Bosnians and Croations yet we still bombed the Serbs for their genocidal behavior.

If Turkey did what they did back then, today, they would have been invaded and put down.

>If Turkey did what they did back then, today, they would have been invaded and put down.

Nobody batted an eyelid in the state-organised pogroms of '55 when Armenians, Jews and Greeks were driven out of the country without provocation or the illegal occupation of 40% of Cyprus in 1974. Indeed Northern Cyprus is officially recognised by the UN as an occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus, yet nobody ever mentions it, ever (except for based Hitchens). Hell, people go on holidays there.

>justifying genocide
I thought we were taking issue about this here? Notice I didn't comment on who was right or whatever in the conflict (though I'll say that technically Armenians started the war because they are the ones that wanted to separate), just that the Armenians did themselves the thing they've been crying about for a century, but no one holds them accountable.

>has no argument
>tries his best at insulting by repeating the word "roach"
I am very offended right now.

The "coup government of 1922" displaced people, true. And it was a shitty move.
Now part of the problem about the Turkish views on this is that most Turks view genocide as ethnic cleansing via killing. But that's not what happened, so when this instance of genocide is denied it's not denied with malicious intent. Another part of the problem is that they have a justification to consider this as an equivalent exchange, because when the Greeks invaded, Armenian thug groups rose up and instigated what went on to become a mini civil war/ethnic conflict, the memories of which are still alive in the minds of old people today. Which makes it extremely difficult to step back and examine the issue with a cool head, Turks are already bad at that without the emotional content.

>state-organised pogroms of '55 when Armenians, Jews and Greeks were driven out of the country without provocation
We have information about the hand of the State in this event today. That information first surfaced just a few years ago (correct me if I'm wrong about that), but relatively few people are aware of it inside Turkey even today. Also roughly 30 to 40% of the country, at least, would still not care about it unless Erdoğan told them to do so. This might seem like a caricature or exaggeration but that's literally the way it works.
As for the issue of nobody caring about the pogrom or Cyprus, maybe it's time to consider this truth: in this world no one gives a flying fuck about genocide or invasion or anything else unless the affected people can make a strong political case for themselves due to an already existing power of influence in foreign territories, and/or their plea somehow furthers a geopolitical goal of bigger, stronger guys. That's why no one cares about the Greeks that were displaced in 1955, as well as the people displaced from Northern Cyprus (as well as the Turks the Cypriot Greeks massacred, and the Cypriots that were massacred in turn). That's the kind of world we live in.

>no, the actual reason is because Turkey is Muslim so Europeans don't want to accept anything at all from them, even though Turkey was just as bad as the rest of the European Empires.
I was talking about the actions of modern Turkey.
And we may accept Muslim nations when they further our gouls and/or align with us, like we did with IndoNesia.

>And we may accept Muslim nations when they further our gouls
Necromancers out

What are those places ? Last time i checked the only genocide wildly accepted by the international community was the shoah

That's not a lot of precedents

No, which is why people who created the modern state didn't commit it. The guy behind it was exiled from Turkey and ended up getting rekt by the Soviets in some random backwater country.

More or less. They use it as a tool to further fuck with Turkey. If Turkey was in better terms with everyone else no one would give a fuck.

Turks live in an universe where everything they have ever done was justified. If Turkey admitted to doing something wrong, it would be a huge moral blow to the Turkish people.

Armenians also want land and money reparations.

Top kek. Kemalism didn't even exist back when the genocide occurred.

Honestly, it kind of was needed but it could have been done in some other way.

But I guess I am just some butthurt Greek whose ancestors lived in Smyrna so oh well. If only Megali Idea could have been completed instead of being a butchered form of Greece which still left out Northern Epirus and the other parts of Macedonia greeks inhabited.

Yes. The removal of the armenian presence permanently in the east was needed, hence the turkish armenian war. If Turkey didnt won that war, alot of ottoman muslims would have been killed/deported, which would have been ethnic cleansing (but nobody would care offcourse). Which brings me to your next point, it was not a genocide. It was ethnic cleaning, does something like that still deserve an apology? Sure, but its not a genocide, sorry, try again next time. And not to consider the ottoman muslims killed by Armenians, oh right, my bad, Armenians were angels who didnt hurt anyone, just like Greeks were angels who didnt hurt no one, we wuz innocent and shiet!

My question to you is, was the ethnic cleansing (according to you its a genocide, since if you consider it a genocide to what happened to greeks/armenians, so it was a genocide to what happened to ottoman muslims, but it wasnt, it was ethnic cleansing) of ottoman muslims in the balkans and Greece needed to create all those modern states? Your answer would highly likely be yes, so my asnwer to your question is, also yes. Look at modern Turkey, decades long war with some shitty dumb minority (kurd) who should have ACTUALLY been genocided.

You are never safe with minorities, assimilate them relentlessly or genocide them. The european way is always the best way, trust me, we failed hard with the k*rds. If only we could have been more European.

> The european way is always the best way
The UK and Spain and Belgium are literally on the verge of breaking apart due to Minorities
While Italy federalised

Only France and Prussia genocided Local Minorities(By Genocide I mean in the cultural sense) which is why they will avoid breaking apart the way others are

t. t*rkroach

Constantinople will be greek again

yeah but these countries arent european anymore, they are just cucked bunch, france is filled with arabs and muslims and niggers

in belgium leftists flooded the country with niggers to brussels to increase their voterbase

the uk is importing indians and pakis LOL fuck is wrong with them?

these things are new and recent (50 years), i suppose i should have said the old european way instead of new

its too unfortunate the ottoman empire was cucklike and didnt eradicate balkan/caucasus/middle eastern culture to stop the ultimate nationalistic uprising of them all or atleast limit them heavily

the only reason why it was getting more bloody was because ottoman sultans were sending their kids to school in france where they learn how to fuck up people to control them, if only they did that a couple centuries earlier

gg it will be k*rdish/syrian in a couple decades, have fun getting rid of them

The Turkish middle class only exists because of the wealth they took from Christian minorities.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confiscated_Armenian_properties_in_Turkey

>Historians argue that the mass confiscation of Armenian properties was an important factor in forming the economic basis of the Turkish Republic while endowing Turkey's economy with capital. The appropriation led to the formation of a new Turkish bourgeoisie and an exclusive middle class.

That's why they refuse to acknowledge those genocides. Otherwise they would be liable to reparations, and Turkey is not like Germany, who can pay reparations and still be wealthy.

huh, now wait a minute, ottoman christians were rich as fuck, so rich they literally made a turkish bourgeoisie happen?

wow man, thats cool as fuck, because armenians and everyone else keeps saying they had to pay tons and tons of taxes to keep them poor, which was one of the reasons they caused a civil war

so what you are saying is that its a lie, okay, cool, christians were very secure in the ottoman empire and they were allowed to gain alot of wealth, thanks for confirming it

>None of those genocides were perpetrated by the people who actually built the modern state of Turkey. They were self-serving policies of a dying Ottoman Empire and Enver's butthurt.

They were done by the Young Turks who were part of the founding of the new Republic.

Armenians, Jews and Greeks ran your stupid empire because your people were too thick and uneducated to read or do sums. They were the bureaucrats, businessmen and merchants of the empire. That's why they were wealthy and by the time of the 19th century and all the way into the mid 20th century, you taxed the fuck out of them. A short-sighted move on your part.

>Armenians, Jews and Greeks ran your stupid empire because your people were too thick and uneducated to read or do sums.
but they were smart enough to let other people run it for them because they couldnt, that sounds like a fairly high level of intelligence to me, "either work for me or get fucked up", sounds pretty good, i think the armenians jews and greeks would rather want that or to get massacred, win win

>They were the bureaucrats, businessmen and merchants of the empire. That's why they were wealthy and by the time of the 19th century and all the way into the mid 20th century, you taxed the fuck out of them. A short-sighted move on your part.
the empire was already dead man walking in the 19th and 20th century, so it doesnt matter

France?
What minorities? Gypsies?

It's the other way around. Some of the founders of the new Republic used to be part of the Young Turks.
Enver, Talat and the like, named by Armenians themselves as the primary architects, not only didn't found the Republic but were its sworn enemies.

>quotes a citation-less part of an obviously partisan article
No one can see through this!
>Turkey is not like Germany, who can pay reparations and still be wealthy.
True, however Germany would have gone back to the stone age with their payments if America wasn't keeping the post-war European states afloat.

>(By Genocide I mean in the cultural sense)
What did user mean this?
Assimilation?

Everyone picks on Turkey because they're so pick-able. They're trying to access EU but they have huge differences so European countries pick on them. Also modern right wing tendencies don't go well with huge Turkish immigration. US picks on them (not openly) because they don't like Kurds and Kurds helped US in the Iraqi War (if someone claims Kurds are the epitome of democracy in Middle East I'm going to laugh, the original freedom movement of Kurds are pretty communist). But US does not pick on them openly because they also offer services to US. Russia picks on them because of recent issues and they probably like Armenia more than Azerbaijan, so they call on genocide often. Rest of the world follows the same motivations depending on whichever global power they follow.

And of course Turkey makes it easy for everyone to pick on them. It makes it easy for example for Western countries by having someone who locks up journalists for criticizing him as a leader. And being muslim does not help even though they're probably the only muslim country that is trying to be somewhat less messy.

For the actual question, no one remembers the genocide directly anymore, it's just used for political gains. Hating Turkey is like a foundation of Armenia, and when Turkey tries to pull off a stunt like refugees EU goes penalizing denial of genocide (I think some country has fines for denying it I don't remember clearly). At this point I don't think honest feelings exist but I'm not to judge.

Another reason why the US doesn't pick on them is because they're generally the US' lapdog anyway. Remember the baseball bat incident.

That and most of the stuff that people get up in arms about, like revisionist textbooks, are basically only done in really small quantitites and is a case of westerners making it out to be morewidespread than it is.

The Republic is built on genocide. Just admit it.

america is built on genocide, portugal is built on genocide, spain is built on genocide, belgium is built on genocide etc etc etc

greece genocided the turks, so greece got built on genocide, the balkans genocided turks, so the balkans were built on genocide, and i can move on and on and on

the republic was built on blood, talent and courage, the armenians and french were beat on the east, the greeks and the rest of the world was beat in the west, deal with it

Also no one actually sits down and talks with modern day Japanese from all around Japan about their appraisal of what the country did in WW2. People still think that they all unanimously believe that they were dindus in WW2.

>thats cool as fuck
If you're from a country forced to import millions of savage migrants and pay for their every need, I don't think you find it so cool.

>The whole Turkish population gets rich off of murdering and stealing from Christians
>Thinks it's an example of tolerance because they were able to obtain wealth
Only a roach.

>america is built on genocide
We never genocided the natives. Most were pretty much dead by the time the country was even a thing.

>Modern state of Turkey never genocided Armenians. Most were pretty much dead by the time the country was even a thing.

you mean the position that turkey is in now? millions of deadbeat useless syrians walking around, and tons of useless savage k*rds here, what i would do to be able to genocide these people

so basically, turks are not as stupid because in the end they got wealthy, sounds like a pretty smart bunch to me, europeans stole tons out of south america, africa, turks stole from christians, shit happens, amirite? too bad i didnt see a peny of it

besides most the property is being used by k*rds

real frenchmen are those of the Seine and Loire, most of France wasnt originally French in culture, all of southern france spoke occitanic languages and were closer to catalans than to the French, the eastern fronteer was german and dutch, and Brittany was celtic.
The people from Corsica, like Napoleon, are Italians.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language

The Republic destroyed the local nationalities and made everyone French.

Before The French Revolution Regional Cultures in France were more influencal to the point that only about 10% of France Spoke French as their native language
Nowdays only the Basque and The Britons do so
Yeah

empires are most respectful of local differences than republics, Spain, which was a conservative catholic monarchy longer than France, still has Basques, Galicians and Catalans who speak their own Language.

Republics are very into having a national education system that teaches everyone they belong to the same nation.

>Europeans arrive
>all the injuns die due to disease as opposed to warfare or killings
>no actual proof that smallpox blankets were used
>all of this before America even exists as a country

vs.

>round up Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, etc.
>force march them away
>summarily and systematically execute the populations
>all within the last century
>a survivor of the genocide just died within the last year

There's a pretty big different, roach. There was no policy to engage in the systematic extermination of the Indians compared to the one that existed to exterminate the non-Turks.

That's actually true for Ottoman Empire as well.

>greece genocided the turks
lol wtf are you talking about?

I don't know man, Trail of Tears is pretty real and fits the second part. You act like Indian Removal Act and forcing Indians to the West never happened.

And I'm starting to hate the "roach" meme, it prevents people from having discussions because once used everyone try to follow since they're incapable of forming their own opinions.

Are you sure you are referring to the correct post?

Nah this thread has passed it's point of good dialogue and entered the buzzword realm.

Just let it die

what do turks feel when they look at the ruins of ephesus? do they see their ancestors or those of their greek neighbours?
how are history classes in a turkish high school?

>do they see their ancestors or those of their greek neighbours?
Ancestors of Greeks, though I'm pretty sure the general sentiment is "people who have lived in these lands". Also technically the people of Ephesus are the ancestors of a very small number of Turks I guess, but only those would feel that kind of link.
>how are history classes in a turkish high school?
Mostly Ottoman propaganda with a serving of Republican history.

What do Greeks feel? After about a few thousand years I don't think Greeks are much closer to Ionians than people who live in the area. It's just cultural difference most of which are artificially created in last 100 years. Nations as you know have a really short history.

wtf wtf am i talking about?

you realize that that there were much more turks in greece before the population exchange? what happened to them? vanish in thin air?

If there was a genocide against the greeks, so there was one by the greeks against the turks, easy as pie

greeks dont deny the atrocities done to turks, they just dont see it as a genocide, exact same deal with turkey, and both are right, it was ethnic cleansing, not genocide

>you realize that that there were much more turks in greece before the population exchange? what happened to them? vanish in thin air?

Huh, are you stupid? That's what population exchange means! You send Greeks, Greece sends Turks. Genocide is the organised persecution of a people. After the population exchanges of '22 the number of Turks in Greece has remained stable, whereas the opposite has plummeted.

There isn't a single documented case of Greeks genociding Turks, ever, because that never happened. I think you don't understand what the word means.

Multi ethnic states don't work very well, and almost all that do have utilized genocide.

>Huh, are you stupid? That's what population exchange means! You send Greeks, Greece sends Turks.
b-b-b-but the greek genocide?? how can you send greeks when le greek genocide happened? that sure as hell was a weak genocide when 1+ million greeks were sent to greece

>Genocide is the organised persecution of a people. After the population exchanges of '22 the number of Turks in Greece has remained stable, whereas the opposite has plummeted.
the istanbul pogrom happened later and the one in charge of that got hanged

>There isn't a single documented case of Greeks genociding Turks, ever, because that never happened. I think you don't understand what the word means.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims#Greek_Revolution

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tripolitsa
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navarino_massacre
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_during_the_Greek_War_of_Independence

also considering how little info there is about stuff done against turks, and how much wiki gets shilled by greeks/armenians, its heavily in favor for them

greeks and turks were equally as brutal to each other, if there was a greek genocide, so there was a turkish/ottoman muslim genocide, which also happened in the balkans and on, i personally dont consider both as a genocide, but as ethnic cleansing

>what is the United States

Tearing a part at the seams.

However, Turkey remains a multi-ethnic state today. Circassians, Kurds, a portion of Jews and many more compose the group called "Turks".
The people living in the lands that are the Republic of Turkey today could never be divided simply as "Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Jews, Greeks, Assyrians". A billion more groups were and are there in-between.

This is also the reason why Turkey contains everything from blonde clear eyed people with pale skin to people who get mistaken for South Americans or Native Americans abroad to "regular" central Europeanesque whites to Far-Eastern looking people to people with Middle Eastern features, and more.
Armenians, Jews, Greeks and Assyrians weren't integrated to the larger society to the same degree as the other groups, mainly because of religious differences. This ended up having the side effect of attracting the entirety of Enver and his pals' butthurt (although the Jews were the least affected by far AFAIK). The post-genocide and deportation situation gave rise to ethnic violence primarily between Armenians and "Turks"+Kurds (and Greeks living in the West mostly collaborated with the invading Greek army IIRC), which then was used as the justification to enact other deportations in the wake of the Greeks' defeat. Specifically "anti-non-Turk" measures were carried out some decades later. As a result there are very few Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians today in Turkey (as well as Jews, but that's mainly because most went to Israel).

Today the bulk of this multi-ethnic society is relatively cohesive, as in few differences are observed between them, if any, but it's not a very stable one, although for reasons other than ethnic differences brought by a government whose dream is Islamism.

This is why I can never be sympathetic with Armenians. They did the same thing they keep complaining about for a century, and then have the gall to try to justify it while still demanding that the Republic of Turkey, which isn't politically tied to the Ottoman Empire and whose modern residents had nothing to do with the genocide, apologize and pay reparations.

There was plenty of killing and displacement of natives during manifest destiny though.

It is a typical disease found in Balkans-Caucasus-Near East in general, turks-greeks-armenians-bulgarians-romanians etc etc all of them have it.

>look at x massacre, y displacement, z war, look how we suffered
>oh but when we do it it is totally justified

It is a magical place where you can cry about injustice and smugly talk about atrocities at the same time

Israel gets picked on because it's a civilized country acting like a bunch of Barbarians. Where as if you look at the Congo or Central Africa, all they see are a bunch of Barbarians acting barbaric.

Also Israel is powerful as fuck you retarded mongoloid.

Japan doesn't deny Nanking. Don't confuse a small number of individuals with the official position of the government (which applies in Turkey's case, since the Turkish government itself refuses to recognize the Armenian Genocide)

Armenia should also demand reparations from European nations because they're the ones who said that they would support all their revolutionary movements and then did a 360, leaving them to their fate. But I guess it's hard to do that when those nations are the only ones taking you seriously today in the first place. And also doing that would mean to fully recognize the fact that the basis of those revolutions were various terrorist acts that later became butter on the bread of the psychos who dreamed of ethnic cleansing every night.

Most Turks don't actually consider the massacres justified, just "natural" (because they occurred in a chain of retaliations and counter-retaliations). The only ones who are happy about minorities getting murdered are those from the many secular or religious ultra-nationalism currents.
Displacement however is basically seen as a non-problematic or merely slightly problematic event (due to the deaths that accompanied the move). Maybe because we wuz nomads, I don't know. Most people can't really picture what getting ousted from the places you've been living for generations really entails.

Every time I remember Armenia, I weep that it wasn't the Hittites or the Tocharians the ones to survive to this day instead of them.

Armenia has given as great gifts to mankind, such as Anita Sarkeesian and the Kardahians.