How do we prevent the Americanisation of history before it's too late?

Britain cracked the codes, sported naval supremacy and was at the forefront of technological development before surrendering their knowledge to the Americans, without which we'd probably have a Democratic People's Republic of Japan in Hokkaido and the northern part of Honshu.

>I dunno
You clearly do know how to not learn about history if you believe it wasn't the Soviets who beat Nazi Germany.

Well, you're right, but it doesn't matter at all.

If it hadn't been for the Normandy Landings and the subsequent liberation of France, the Red Army would have rolled to the channel, and France would have ceased to exist as anything other than a Stalinist vassal state.

If anything, a Russian "liberation" would have been worse than the Germans.

So French people, having had some time to realize what communism actually does, are going to vote for the people who saved their countries ass.

Yes but the question isn't "which was the morally superior country?" it's "which country contributed most to Germany's defeat?".

People taking polls are going to think in terms of their own lives, which in this case means "who saved my ass."

That said, the USSR probably couldn't have beaten Germany without American help.

The Germans could never have made it across the Urals, but if there was a magical history simulator, I'd bet money the line would have stabilized somewhere in between Berlin and Moscow.

>Stopped italy
I seem to recall a man named Rommel who kicked your anglo ass.
I also recall a man named Patton who saved your anglo ass.
Oh, but you managed to mop up the fucking Italians. Congratu-fucking-lations. You beat the biggest joke of a belligerent in WW2.

>That time America crushed the Carthaginian Empire

Not only did american intervention split german forces on two fronts, the americans also supplied the commies. Commies would've lost guaranteed, even with their shit weather. Just would've prevented adolf from taking all their land, but he'd get plenty of oil regardless.

Should've never supported the damn russians. Maybe western europe wouldn't be so fucked today.

What's wrong with it?

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The ango is the eternal ally of the jew

Butthurt surrender frogs still trying to claim karl the large as a frank

The question is
>Which is, according to you, the nation that contributed more in the defeat of Germany in 1945?

US interference was vital for the good of western Europe, but not to the defeat of the Germans. French knew this back in 1945, but don't anymore.

What does it say?

Please tell me this is bait, if you were over the age of 6 you could figure it out without speaking French

doesn't matter, as long as the brits stay irrelevant, as they should be

The short answer being that it couldn't have happened without both nations.

The US contributed more to defeating the Germans that happened to be located in France though.

He was a Frank, but that's totally different from being French.

That could have been done by the Russians, the difference is that the Iron Courtain would have been located at the Pyrenees and La Manche.

>That could have been done by the Russians

I doubt this.

The US gave critical help in a lot of things.

Radar, oil refineries, designing most of the USSR's factories for them, a huge amount of the Red Air Force, three quarters of the entire Red Army truck fleet, grain, oil, locomotives, enough tanks that at historical loss rates, the USSR would have run out of tanks without US help.

what country has a comparable history?

>born out of rebellion
>instituted a form of democracy and capitalism that would be emulated worldwide
>ended the use of slaves
>pioneered science, engineering, and mathematics
>kickstarted worldwide modernization due to two industrial revolutions
>helped develop central america and south america with things like the panama canal
>saved the world in two different wars
>became a beacon of culture through entertainment, science, fashion, and city-planning

and that not even including the 21st century you pleb

Did the Nazis have the infrastructure to keep fighting after Berlin had been taken?

The US could still have provided goods without being directly involved in the war, it was business.

They are all wrong. It was japan, when they attacked US.

I don't think the Soviets had the capacity to push to Berlin.

You may be aware, Berlin and Moscow are far away from one another.

In fact, the Soviets had to push well over a thousand miles to get from defending Moscow to taking Berlin.

Also, US/UK strategic bombing was brutal for German war production, and the second front helped somewhat.

Even when it was just fucking around in Africa, having a second front open creates a tremendous organizational burden.

this would also create world peace tbqh

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Why does everyone hate anglos all of a sudden?

>ended the use of slaves
That was Britain, the US only ended the use of slaves in the US.

>pioneered science, engineering, and mathematics
Britain, Germany, France were the pioneers. America made great advancements by virtue of being an economic hub that attracted many immigrants.

>helped develop central america and south america
Read: toppled democratically elected leaders and supported military dictatorships out of fear of gommies

>with things like the panama canal
Which they monopolized and later massacred Panamanian protesters who weren't in agreement with the US ripping all the benefits.

>saved the world in two different wars
The German Empire wasn't evil, the US just picked a side. Stop memeing.

>became a beacon of culture through entertainment, science, fashion, and city-planning
There's a reason Americanization is generally regarded as a bad thing in most countries.

t. Zinn

I don't even know where that name is supposed to be from.

>I'm a stereotypical eaglelander.

No thanks

Howard Zinn,

I wanted to get at least one really worthless post in.

Anyway, it's kind of dumb to compare the US to an idealized state instead of comparing it to the alternatives that existed during the time period.

Oh, and American culture is the best culture.

American culture sucks.
>overt cultural capitalism
>embedded with bullshit magical stories written by bronze age hermits
>sprinkles of bigotry here and there
>racism
>homophobia

Do you think racism is uniquely American?

Because if you start looking at history, you are unlikely to be happy with what you see.

I don't care. All cultures that espouse racism are shit in the sense of failure to uphold equality.

>American culture is the best culture.
No, it's not. Even Latin America has a better culture, not to say with other actual cultures like Europe, East Asia, etc.

found the chink

>There's a reason Americanization is generally regarded as a bad thing in most countries.

You could say that about any culture, many people generally don't want other cultures other than their own.

Yeaaaahhhhh no. The US was important both in terms of direct combat and also due to contributions to the other two combatants economies.

Without the US Germany may well have "won" the war, in the sense of getting a favorable peace settlement anyway.

>born out of rebellion
Like nearly every other colonial nation or european state

>pioneered science, engineering, and mathematics
Only in the modern era, the big science names were Europeans in the WW1 and Victorian era.

>became a beacon of culture through entertainment, science, fashion, and city-planning

The fact you're a nation of a couple hundred million helps with cultural and scientific output

Few cultures have as many negative connotations as American culture.

>McDonalds, rapping, consumerism, anti-intellectualism.

Literally nothing wrong with rap music itself. Ask any European and he'll point you to the nearest terrible regional musical style.

See America has some of the shittiest politics in the west
>Democrats being over run by regressive """"""liberals""""""
>Republicans pander to fears of cultural decline, religious fantasy, """"socialism"""
>both are literally the same on key issues and are corporate shills

Entirety of America is brainwashed into believing American "democracy" is a thing, when it isn't. At all.

Deregulation has allowed for Corporatism so pervasive that corporations like McDonalds pervade Americana. It is part of American life to eat shitty premade slop. Fucking great right?

Rapping points to the degeneracy of African slums, a direct result of their subjugation 100s of years ago. The fact they've become so degenerate, infesting american culture, and the fact that we've allowed their continual economic subjugation are both shit.

Don't cut yourself on that edge m8

>helped develop central america and south america
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>what is goldman sachs
>what is the electoral college
>what is the american obesity epidemic
>what was slavery
>what economic oppression carried out by white elites against blacks in the 1800s
>what are african ghettos

The difference being that Rap is a multi-million dollar industry and celebrates themes of debauchery, drug use and prostitution, among other things, while terrible European music is just bad sounding weird songs your dad and some hipsters insist are somehow good.

Terrible use of a terrible buzzword.

Debauchery is popular in music in general.

See: Nasheeds, Narcocorridos, good rock music

>debauchery, drug use and prostitution, among other things,

So many fungicide genre's involve shit like that you idiot Rap doesn't have excursive rights to that.

The ghettos are in America dumbass.
I can understand Black or African American ghettos but African? what kind of moron do you have to be?

You do know there are other points here being brought up here right? Not just blacks and rap?

Also you're just reducing you're argument to semantics now. What kind of moron do YOU have to be?

There's a ton of up thing about other nations that isn't exclusive to America that they did while in the past as the power of the day.

I don't think you understand that Rap is terrible because all of the following:

a) It's terrible music, second only to Latin American Raggaeton in lack of quality (and this is the only reason Rapping isn't the absolute worst music in the world, because all of this applies to Raggaeton too.)
b) It's extremely popular in the US
c) It has a terrible culture surrounding it

Yea no shit, but it pervaded American culture quite viscerally don't you say?

>kkk
>black codes
>separate but equal
>jim crow laws

The funny part is that before gangsta rap hit in the early 90s, rap was mostly either political epithets or party music.

Also, if you can listen to It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back and call that terrible music, I think you just have a terrible brain.

You're joking right?

>all of a sudden

they're legitimately loathsome

they have victimized just about every group on the planet

Anglos and Germans are the source of evil in this world.

>he dislikes Public Enemy

You best back the fuck up before you get smacked the fuck up bitch nigger

Why did those groups let themselves be victimized? Anglos had the means to take what they wanted, unlike the other subhumans on this planet, and should be recognized for their brilliance

All associated with capitalism, any country that had near the amount of military and economic power and culture influence would see the same criticisms. And there are plenty of other cultures that get hate too, that would be even more reviled if they wielded the same amount of power the United States does.

Rap music isn't nearly as bad as you say it is, look past the top 40 consumerist garbage.

That top 40 consumerist garbage is your culture.

No it's not. What's considered good =/= what is considered popular

1. What is popular is considered good my the majority, else it wouldn't be popular.
2. What is popular is what comes to define culture, to an extent.
3. That extent is multiplied in American culture, where shallow entertainment is applauded.

The fire rises

top 40 is just the most listened to songs, not the song that the majority of the population listens to. top 40 is youth-oriented but there are more older people in the states than young

>where shallow entertainment is applauded.

as is 'deeper' entertainment

Ignore him, he probably thinks culture = muh old buildings.

Brah, top 40 is for people who actually listen to radio and buy records.

Which is nobody in the US.

People that enjoy entertainment that actually has depth or do not enjoy shallow entertainment loved by the masses are derided as snobs. It's part of the anti-intellectualism going on.

I never mentioned architecture, faggot.

But now that you've brought it up, while I have nothing for or against American Architecture (which is mostly neo-classical and modern, so the term American is a poor fit, all things considered), I have to say that traditional southern style house construction is hideous. I think you know what type of houses I'm talking about. Obviously that's just my opinion.

>Commies would've lost guaranteed
>Against an overstretched, badly equipped, outnumbered 3 to 1 German Army commanded by a civilian fuckwit who thought he was a general

Yeah, no.

>Russians can fight with no tanks, no planes, no oil, and no food

wew

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>What are the Yak-3 and IL-2
>What are the Siberian oil fields
>What is Southern Siberian agriculture

>What are the Yak-3 and IL-2

Not produced in nearly large enough numbers to supply the Red Air Force.

>What are the Siberian oil fields

Inadequate for the red army, and dependent on American expertise for oil refining.

>What is Southern Siberian agriculture

A pattern is beginning to develop.

How do i copy and paste the text from an image

Quads confirm

You forgot the Chinese.

There are browser based image scanners around.

>forefront of technological development
>never had a semi-automatic rifle
>never had a self-loading pistol
>never had a tank with sloped armor
>never had a english designed light machine gun

I thought his point was that through the words "nation", "contribué", "défaite", "Allemagne" and 1945 plus the graph, it's easy to tell what's going on in the picture.

>they had the first computers
>but they didn't have technology because not enough /k/

>both are literally the same on key issues and are corporate shills
isn't that most western democracies?

It's already too late.

We've reached critical mass relevancy.

Yes, but his point is to be contrarian, not informative.

>traditional southern style house construction
do you mean plantations? i always thought they were quite nice

I was hesitant to use that name because I wasn't sure if it referred to the house, but yes.

Like I said, I know it's just my subjective opinion, but I really don't like them.

Nah user it's not learning history.

Try watching "A Bridge too Far". In the beginning you have "historical background" of the whole thing with phrases like "1944, WW2 was still running like Hitler wanted and then D-Day started" - you know we're talking about the part of war after Bargation, conquest of Rome etc.. And that movie isn't and wasn't alone.

This is the reason why this "shift" happened, not "education"

Operation Torch came after El Alamein.

The Soviets made a concentrated effort to sell the West short, the fact people believed the Russian juggernaut was the primary reason Germany lost is definitely not surprising.

But these people surveyed were unaware of the fact Russians were driving American trucks, wearing American boots, and eating American food. Even if you want to say the Russians made a lot of their own cars, most of the ones they did produce were licensed Studebakers, American trucks driven by Russians were so common they had their own nickname by German soldiers, although I forget the exact nickname.

Now if you want to argue the Russians didn't need direct US MILITARY help I believe that is totally accurate. But both with the voracity with which Soviets denied the importance of Lend Lease, along with the fact many Russians called this a complete lie, along with the fact that Lend Lease gave the Soviets so fucking much vital material and materiel makes me believe Lend Lease was absolutely vital in the Russians winning the war.
Above all, the food was completely invaluable. In 1945 the Soviets were on the brink of famine in many areas, and this was with spam shipments. Take away American Lend Lease and the Soviets experience extreme hunger problems as early as 1943.

An army can't fight without weapons and it can't fight without food. You need both, one or the other isn't enough.

>Not only did american intervention split german forces on two fronts
By the time they've created actually big western front(Italy was significant but not that big), Russians were already sitting on Vistula river.
That's the German part of occupied Poland.

>born out of rebellion
The Netherlands?
>instituted a form of democracy and capitalism that would be emulated worldwide
Most developed nations don't use FPTP and various "proto" capitalistic relations started in the Low Countries and Northern Italy - with things like banks, manufactures etc. Industrial revolution started in Britain.
>ended the use of slaves
Majority of Europe outlawed slavery by 1865, in fact - long before 1865. And there were some countries, like Brazil that had it for little longer.
>pioneered science, engineering, and mathematics
That's British, Germans and French.
>kickstarted worldwide modernization due to two industrial revolutions
British had bigger influence on the first, on 2nd it was split between Germany, Britain, France, US even fucking Belgium, all of them industrialised at around the same time.
>helped develop central america and south america with things like the panama canal
American enforced free trade destroyed local CA/SA economy that was still there
>saved the world in two different wars
WW2 you can argue, WW1 - not really
>became a beacon of culture through entertainment, science, fashion, and city-planning
>entertainment, science, fashion, and city-planning
niggers, chinks, faggots, globalists

sure you showed me great contributions to mankind