See this people here? They're known as the burakumin, the "hamlet people", in Japan...

Tabooed people and jobs have been pretty common.
>The story starts with the main character (an old executioner in Spain in the early 60's) approaching retirement age. As his profession is quite rare, he (a very gentle and nice man, caring, and proud of traditions) begins to worry about who might take his place when he retires. He has a daughter, but, unfortunately, she seems doomed to perpetual "spinsterhood"; as soon as any prospective groom learns about her dad and her dad's "trade", he runs away from her, scared. However, a new character enters: the local undertaker, a young handsome man who has exactly the same problem... No girl wants him given his profession. So, you have the woman whom almost nobody would marry and the man whom almost nobody would marry. Obviously, they are meant for each other and soon get married.

Tanners were generally despised because their workshops literally smelled with piss and shit. This was also a thing in Europe.

Yeah and at a macro-level it just keeps growing until they're a separate caste of people people shun

The existence of such a class is not unusual by any means.

Welcome to the real world, jackass

t. Untouchable

I currently live in Japan and there is a small Buraku area which I would call a ghetto near where I live, and you cannot enter that "ghetto" unless you are driving a car because all the walkways are blocked. An acquaintance of mine married to a Burakumin and her parents removed her from their legal family register because she's got married to a Burakumin man.

What happens if you touch the untouchable?

See leper colonies and untouchables etc.

Decent movie

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

We wuz arbitrary caste system n shieeet

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osu_caste_system

break the unbreakable
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

Wut. Where do you live in Japan?

White piggu go home

>Burakumin
>Buraku min
>Braku min
>Brak man
>Black man

Disturbing.

Much like india or da joos, it's a religious stigma dealing with not so arbitrary cleanliness. Not only do they do unclean work, they also spread miasma because of it.

What you have to understand about the japs is that they have constitutions so fragile that they can die from superstition. A headcold is a life or death affair. Memes have actually destroyed their little immune systems.

I wonder when we will move on from making memes the reason for everything.

Hyogo

I'm Japanese you dick

The fuck, user.

Great Veeky Forums related classic too.

Historically it was sensible, but you would be very wrong if you don't think that culture plays a massive role in health. Besides for literal meme disorders like hwabeong, you also have the statistically significant effects of positive outlook on immune response and recovery.

If I can get someone to lose weight by changing their self image from that of the inevitability of being a fatass like their parents, make labor painless by telling them it will be painless, and cure allergies and asthma through addressing a shitty childhood experience, then maybe health is cultural in some way. Memes move everything around me, desu desu JUST y'all.

>because their workshops literally smelled with piss
Well that's because they actually used piss to do their job.

Not everyone else considers butchers like Japanese do.

Except Japan (and India) Create a special caste for this people that will taint them forever.

Unlike anywhere else in the world where these were lumped into the general lower classes.

Also the stigma on executioners is fucking weird though. Only Korea and Japan has that. In China, its an honorable job.

Were the butchers rich though?

In Europe butchers seemed to have earned quite a bit.

no, they lived a very base life like peasants, and treated worse. Samurai could kill them with impunity if they were suspected of a crime

>People who do tasks as "base" as that are often looked down upon, although it's funny because without these people society would probably crumble.
Yes, yes.

t. Marx

This must be some advanced form of shitposting.

WTF why was carpeting or rope-making bad?

>During the Revolution, Cagots had stormed record offices and burned birth certificates in an attempt to conceal their heritage. These measures did not prove effective, as the local populace still remembered. Rhyming songs kept the names of Cagot families known.

Jesus fucking Christ, why is humanity so cruel?

So? Nips considered merchants to be below peasants in Edo period.

The Cagot touch in other kind of stuff, such as food may have corrupted them. So they were reduced to that kind of jobs.

This does bring thoughts to how gypsies are being treated even in modern Europe still though, let's be honest.
Such stigmatization and hatred hasn't left the human soul.

Probably not. They hated money and considered themselves above it, but merchants and artisans were a crucial symbiotic relationship

The warrior class that is

In Ethiopia, groups like metalworkers, potters and other artisans were seen as outcasts and feared for possessing the evil eye and the power to change into a were-hyena. I think this disdain for manufacturing and non-agricultural labour in general contributed to the country's failure to modernise. There was even a 17th century Ethiopian treatise complaining about their treatment, because society couldn't function without those artisans, but it doesn't seem to have made any impact.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buda_(folklore)

Is there a name for these kinds of groups? They seem to exist everywhere. You could argue that Jewish moneylenders in Europe were another example, as well as Irish Travelers (traditionally metalworkers).

>Also the stigma on executioners is fucking weird though. Only Korea and Japan has that. In China, its an honorable job.

Yeah and Europe..

Retarded, hypocrit question again, we still look down on people with dirty jobs that are essential to society. The only difference being that we don't despise them so fiercely. Good luck finding a plumber who married a starlet though.

Gypsies in my area are assholes, though. Although they don't blow shit up, I guess.

Merchants were below peasants, but they weren't ostracized the way burakumin were. They might have been disliked by the samurai and Confucian scholars, but they still had their place in society in which they could and did thrive.

Burakumin weren't 'below' peasants or merchants; rather they just didn't fit into the social hierarchy at all. They had no place in society.

You really don't see the bigger problem at hand here, the complexity of the issue? How you're just another one biting into it?
"Oh I've heard they're assholes, let's hate them". Even if they ARE assholes, do you not see the complexity? They are being stigmatized from birth, what chance in life did they have? And you culture of hatred is the one feeding the issue.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Henri_Sanson

I do understand it's more complex than that, but they're still dicks. Not gonna hate all of them for it, but I certainly don't like the guys in my area.

>b-but they're still dicks
>b-but I certainly don't like the guys in my area
You're a fucking moron.

>honourable in China
Can I get a source please? Sounds interesting

The same for Germany where executioners were obliged to train their sons for the job as future executioners. Descendants of executioners would anyway not be entitled to choose any other profession than that of an executioner, and the rare exceptions to exist would only happen after long and complicated lawsuits. Executioners could only marry women from executioner families. Due to the German culture conception that executioners and their family members were unclean, their homes had to be located outside of town and be painted in a distinctive yellow color in order to avoid the possibility that someone might accidentally knock on the door. To touch an executioner or anything he had ever touched transmitted the executioner's uncleanness onto the person who did so, and a pastor would have to perform a purification ritual to turn that person clean again. Therefore, most churches and pubs would not let an executioner in, unless they'd have a special seat apart from the others, and pubs with a seat for the executioner would have a special glass chained to the separate table. So when gallows needed repairs, all respective specialized workers had to join the works so none of them could have a colleague as unclean, and after repairing works were finished the workers had to undergo the pastor's ritual to become sociable again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executioner

It's not a culture of hatred, you retarded SJW. They behave like dicks. I don't hate them because they were born gypsies. Even if they behave that way as a reaction to whatever perceived hatred they get here, someone has to take a step forward and stop. If I do it, so must they. It's insulting to suggest that I'm the only one who has to do it.

>Is there a name for these kinds of groups?
"Untouchables"

Trusting Germans not to be a xenophobic shitheads..

It was the same in France.
But they are very progressive now, you should be happy and accept their refugee quotas.

These things are never heard of in Japanese eastern area. It's not until I started working that I learned discrimination against Buraku people are still real. マジ、社会人になるまで知らなかったぜ…

The maltreatment they received is just a meme

One theory I've heard, and I'm by no means an expert, is that the discrimination has its origins in shintoism. Traditional Shinto belief has a large emphasis on cleanliness and purity. The salt at sumo matches for instance is a way of cleaning the environment for a match. This is more of a spiritual cleanliness than a real health based one of course.

Anything that had to do with death was necessarily unclean and so the people that were relegated to these professions would be basically avatars of filth and corruption. Unless you wanted the taint of death and the bad juju that came with that you'd leave well enough alone.

And from there I imagine it snowballed as we all enjoy feeling better than an imagined group of inferiors in our bizarre and cruel ape brains.

>But the question is; why? Isn't it a contradiciton? What would japane do without burakumin? There'd be no undertakers if people died? No source for meat? No executioneers? No leather? I really don't get it.
>What a weird country

It's truely astonishing how little Veeky Forums actually knows about history. Like seriously, it is always about some smug normative question which shows serious gaps in knowledge and is more about judging a country, or a people than about theorizing about a particular issue.

Tanners are shunned because they came into contact with germs (speak diseases), smelled bad and were dirty. They smelled literally like rotten meat and were just as despised in medieval Europe than in Japan. Assessing that this is some pure Japanese peculiarity is just ignorant.

Wikipedia

What

Wikipedia in response to a wikipedia response. But don't worry, I have actually seen historical executioner houses and the lecturer (a history major) and the position and shape of the house confirmed everything which is said in that article.

exactly

merchants were weird. According to feudal law they had lower status than peasants, but they also had alot of money, which forced the aristocracy to deal with them

Oh that one started as a riot for more citizen rights and greater say for the guilds/jobmakers as the city was governed by a council of 24 nobles.

Jews were tagged because they were suspected to had risen interest rates on corn to 16% which is probably a rumour spread by people who wanted to get rid of their debt holders.

The exevutioner thing is not really an example for xenophobia tho, as they executioner was well known in the town after all and not much of a xenos concerning his beliefs and ethnicity if it werent for his grisly profession.

Eat a dick faggot redditor

People should be judged by their character on an individudal basis, and when most of these individuals are cunts there's no reason to not disdain them

Every culture has this burakumin caste. In Japan it's just more institutionalized and more visible. Do you think that even today Western people just fucking LOVE people who, I don't know, slit a hundred chickens' throats per day for KFC? Hell no.

>Apparently japan had/has a very pescatarian-friendly diet, and somehow they consider killing animals wrong because some buddhist belief or something, I'm not really sure, while still being okay with killing fish because they're coldblooded. Please correct me here.
It's a Shinto-Buddhist issue. Shinto has huge taboos about cleanliness (blood is the number one contaminant) while in Buddhism dealing in living beings is one of the wrong livelihoods and Mahayana heavily endorses vegetarianism (but it's important to note that there is no eternal damnation or anything associated with meat, and the tradition has a lot of tension about it overall, it's a complex issue). Associating these elements from both traditions with the natural human tendency to shun such jobs, the burakumin were born. Some bullshit that doesn't actually fit with Buddhist teachings about how this is totally ok because of those people's past karma followed.
As for fish, Buddhism considers all killing as pretty damn bad, but in the case of animals the negative karma created isn't the same for every animal, it generally varies with size and number, and there's the cold-blooded and non-cold blooded distinction. It seems however that at one point a vegetarian-like diet was prevalent.

Interesting