Is anyone else completely baffled by humanity? In many western nations,it is literally required that you go to school and learn skills... in order to repay the "debt" you "owe" to society for merely existing. Humans keep forcing other humans into the world with no reason other than for them to commit the same atrocity themselves, creating a cycle without finality or reason. Humans spout nonsense such as "everyone is special and has value", yet everyone knows that to be false.
You could go on and on listing acts that exhibit the collective insanity of humanity.
Isn't it just absurd?
Hunter Butler
>In many western nations,it is literally required that you go to school and learn skills... in order to repay the "debt" you "owe" to society for merely existing.
Statistically if you go to school you'll live a happier life. It isn't because you "owe" anyone. You can be a hobo when you get out of school If you want, but they are gonna make damn sure you at least can read and write.
Cooper Reed
Or, you know, maybe you could just not care. Take instead of giving. Inflict misery upon others. Indulge in whatever debauchery you like. Be free.
Joseph Wood
Yes everything is absurd in this world, but absurdity is just a human construct and emotion with no meaning in itself.
Nihilism is depressing please help
Jacob Watson
It is because you "owe" people. It's damn near impossible to live as a hobo. You'll like go insane or die of something other than old age, perhaps even both.
Blake Gomez
Congratulations OP you now understand that every human pays for his existence in his own peculiar way.
Justin Hernandez
No, this is something I've known for awhile, not a sudden realization of any sort. I just felt compelled to make a thread in order to discuss this with others. I don't understand the need for such condescending posts.
Carson Lopez
>Humans keep forcing other humans into the world with no reason other than for them to commit the same atrocity themselves, creating a cycle without finality or reason. People that don't stay in the cycle die off, so only those who keep it going survive.
Gavin Cox
I'd rather live a day as a hobo than 40 years a wagecuck
Lincoln Bailey
What is the significance of something being a "construct"? Does it change it's worth?
Jonathan Morales
So why survive? What's the point? Why keep the cycle going for no reason?
Ethan Martin
Why not?
Caleb Morris
All it will do is bring more suffering into the world, and continue this worthless cycle. Sure, while you can say that there is no objective reason for it, as well as no reason against it, it just wastes a lot of time and causes a lot of suffering.
Jack Murphy
The literal fuck are you even talking about?
You sound like a teenager bitching about spooks.
Julian Sullivan
>In many western nations,it is literally required that you go to school and learn skills Because education and skill-learning is not only useful for society but personally fulfilling. You seem to think you wouldn't do these things otherwise, which is incorrect.
>in order to repay the "debt" you "owe" to society for merely existing You actually do owe something for existing in a generally safe society. You benefit from clean air, basic regulation and infrastructure, the ability to not worry about daily invasion. You're a free rider otherwise.
>Humans keep forcing other humans into the world with no reason other than for them to commit the same atrocity themselves, creating a cycle without finality or reason There's already an anti-natalist thread. There are also plenty of reasons. One reason is to attain a point in which atrocities no longer happen, so people can live peacefully and happily.
Did you just skim the absurdism wikipedia page yesterday OP? It's not inherently nihilistic nor is nihilism inherently pessimistic.
Gabriel Rodriguez
It does if you believe there is any meaning, truth or sense to be found in reality. Any human construct can't come close to the inherent value of the objective.
Daniel Gray
Hello r/autism
Daniel Roberts
How would you know what the "inherent value" of the "objective" is? When have you encountered an example of the objective? And what, exactly, makes the objective better than the subjective?
If society isn't good enough for you, that's your problem, not ours. Art, literature, poetry, and architecture are all human constructs, and they're more than good enough for this life, as far as I'm concerned.
Carson Jackson
>it's damn near impossible to pive as a hobo Of course, or does someone owe something to you?
Luis Brown
Living things have to eat, sleep, breathe, and find shelter to keep on living. Wow what a concept.
You must be fucking retarded.
Jace Harris
Congratulations, you are now Hidetaka Miyazaki
Colton Turner
You must be
Juan Lopez
Kill yourself. No really. Fucking kill yourself. End can easily end your absurd notion of the "suffering of existence" by killing yourself. But we both know that you won't do the world this favor. You coward.
Andrew Moore
Kill yourself. No really. Fucking kill yourself. End can easily end your absurd notion of the "suffering of existence" by killing yourself. But we both know that you won't do the world this favor. You coward.
Ian Cox
>Humans spout nonsense such as "everyone is special and has value"
I've always found it kind of funny and depressing that everyone tells you to be unique and be yourself but at the same time molds you to fit in with everyone else and make sure you're doing what everyone else does.
If you have a different train of thought you are wrong and must conform, but don't forget to be an individual! Within restraints, of course.
Joseph Ramirez
It's easy to say "well just go be a hobo" but that shit actually requires skills and knowledge that can only be learned through tutelage or the hard way. Most people likely wouldn't make it the hard way, especially if they started out right out of school where they CERTAINLY don't teach you how to fend for yourself outside of the system (and why would they?)
What he's saying is you're born to serve your society whether you like it or not. They won't teach you anything that won't benefit those who have a vested interest in ensuring that most of the populace can't provide for themselves outside of the context of a society.
Obviously no one owes anyone anything. But don't act like we actually have a choice in "benefitting" from society in our first years where we gain the most from the security of a collective. It's all essentially forced upon you simply because your parents wouldn't have taught you any other way to live. Once you get to a certain age you can make the choice for yourself, but you'll be woefully unprepared for anything except the lifestyle of servitude to the employer class unless you do intensive personal research.
In essence it's not about what you owe or what people owe you, it's about the fact that our lifestyle in the west doesn't offer much in the way of a choice when it comes to benefitting from it. If you're prepared to shirk the benefits and live on your own terms, you'll be starting at an extreme disadvantage and that's obviously on purpose. It's not impossible to live off the grid, it's nearly impossible to do it when you have no education in the matter though, and the fact that OP (along with most people in the west) don't have that isn't his fault.
Jackson Evans
>baby's first existantial crisis
>telling people to go back to specific subreddits on Veeky Forums
This board has gone to shit
Jace Perry
See
Joshua Fisher
>if you believe there is any meaning, truth or sense to be found in reality What's it like to be a child?
Mason Moore
>Is anyone else completely baffled by humanity? Nearly everyone. >In many western nations,it is literally required that you go to school and learn skills... in order to repay the "debt" you "owe" to society for merely existing. That way of looking at it is slightly off. Consider the difference between these two scenarios: 1) If you pull a lever, I give you $100; 2) you owe me $100 unless you pull that lever. Teaching the humanities is more like 1 than 2. You are "forced" to pull the lever either way, but 1 is incentive (because why wouldn't you?) while the other is like what you are claiming, a debt. We are all throw into existence - the humanities are meant to help you figure out what levers give you positive rewards when pulled, not to force you into lever-pulling debt. Some would argue they amount to the same thing. The difference seems more significant to me, since none of us designed the existential conditions in which we find ourselves. >Humans keep forcing other humans into the world with no reason other than for them to commit the same atrocity themselves, creating a cycle without finality or reason. So do cows. This isn't a problem just for humans; it's a problem for all animal life. As humans, we are just louder and more effective at doing stuff. If anything, we have an edge over the other animals in our capacity to recognize the cycle at all and form opinions about it. >Humans spout nonsense such as "everyone is special and has value", yet everyone knows that to be false. A social or political truth is not the same thing as a material truth. People could physically say whatever they wanted before the First amendment - all the amendment does is guarantee the political right to free speech. "Everyone is special and has value" is a social or political truth; it says we are going to act a certain way, not that the laws of physics promote a certain state of affairs. 1/2
Jose Miller
>You could go on and on listing acts that exhibit the collective insanity of humanity. >Isn't it just absurd? As absurd as the fact that, without humanities, you would be unable to express or even comprehend the very points you are bringing up in this thread?
Rail against it if you must, but the humanities are *meant* to equip you, not bind you. Perhaps it is a matter of seeing things from another perspective... another skill you learn from studying the humanities. 2/2
Samuel Moore
Feel free to die out, my genes are gonna live on.
Aiden Cook
OP go masturbate to Camus and then kill yourself.
It is the only way.
Nathaniel Torres
>he denies the purposeand benefits of education
What is your alternative OP ? At least youre not a peasant forced to cultivate fieldsall your life before some soldiers come to kill you. You have some freedom related to your education which allows you to choose a path in your existence. Yet you reject that for some childish petty excuse like you owing society ?
Camden Rodriguez
You need to look at humanity as one among the animals. It's a great myth that humans are exceptional "rational" beings. We are fumbling in the dark like the rest, this is nature. But like Herzog has said, there is a harmony in the chaos, a harmony of mass-death, survival of the fittest, not a secular humanist kind of harmony of love and compassion even though these things exist in nature along with all other kinds of beauty.
Death is part of a sustainable world, this is easily demonstratable fact, but you too are an animal and you will fight tooth and nail to survive and get what you want. Any other view, like that of the self-annihilating environmentalist or the staunchly logical scientist is hypocrisy. If it were not hypocrisy we would find it uncanny in it's inhumanity. It would be ugly in the same way of a wild animal taking food from the hand of man, having lost the dignity of it's natural state.
Tyler Brown
Bump
Aaron Ramirez
Stop your hedonistic bullshit and go find something u love working on. All these teenagers just sayin all this bullshit without even tryin fuck u guys. U are what's wrong with society. Fuckin idiots
Christopher Barnes
Living is the only way to experience. Isn't it better than the void?
Andrew Gray
>implying school teach you humanities
Hunter Adams
>being a slave to biology Everyone knows propagation of memes is the new method of ensuring your legacy will go on.
Joshua Richardson
This post makes no sense >Any other view, like that of the self-annihilating environmentalist or the staunchly logical scientist is hypocrisy What does this mean?
Isaiah Foster
He's quack-quack. Do yourself a favour and move on with your life.
Bentley Ramirez
The world isn't fair, you need to provide for yourself.
>but why bring more people Because even if it has shit in it, it can still be fun. Plus humans are afraid of death and the closest thing to immortality is to leave a mark. Children are an easy way to leave a mark, in fact you're biologically drawn to leaving that one.
Blake Morris
Humans are shit but then again so are animals (which includes humans)
Jacob Carter
No? How could existence be a benefit over nonexistence given that the nonexistent cannot be subjected to anything negative nor be deprived of positives?
Joshua Reyes
Humans have a drive for sex, not procreation. The former just tends to lead to the latter when you haven't invented contraception yet.
Austin Lee
It must be pretty absurd... if you think pleasure is the meaning of life
Samuel Johnson
because one day it will make sense.
...Or it wont.
it wouldnt matter to you, you'd be long dead anyway.
but whoa re you to deny your future seed that chance to see what its all about? you filthy hedonist.
Cooper Gutierrez
Thats true but if you think about it, what society would exist without all us little cogs conforming? Im not denying its depressing but the only other alternative is a life of indulgance via some sort of crime.
Which is fine, be a bandit but unfortunately that has its own problems.
'Individual' Is a cruel joke. The world around you doesnt want you to truly escaping its grasp. The only truly free are those living totally self-sufficiatly off the grid.
Colton Morales
>Habe a drive for sex or procreation Bullshit. Just such fucking bullshit, is this why midlife crisis for women involves "holy christ why did I have no kids?
Men are worried about their own mortality, both at a cognitive level and down to the genetic level. The way this is expressed is in a desire to have children.
Carter Jackson
Surely esteemed intellectuals such as ourselves are the only ones to have ever questioned the need for education, the atrocity of bringing another soul into this grimdark world or the belief in the sanctity of life.
Easton Baker
Humanity sucks, life was a mistake, there is no God, universe shouldn't exist.
Anthony Lee
>babby's first existential crisis >generic antinatalistic nilhilistic edgy questioning of the foundation of civilization
I bet you also believe that you are smarter than your "unenlightened" peers who actually have families.
Wyatt Edwards
*blocks path*
pff, you think mocking facts will make them go away? face it, you are afraid, afraid of the truth, afraid of what we might be capable of