What is the saddest fall of a dynasty/royal family in history?

Korean imperial family which barbarically killed by evil jap army at ww2.
And jap destroy a lot of Korean beautiful ancient art and archtecture and even they steal ancient Korean Buddha statue.
That's really sad moment of history and art history of the earth

This. Honestly.

Qings had to fall, they were bad rulers. Corruption, bad organisation and decentralisation plagued much of their later period.

Now, the Song dynasty - they deserved to rule. The Ming and Tang as well.

It was sad to see the Romans and Byzantines fall, but a good look at the last centuries of Byzantine rule shows a divided, bickering society that failed to sieze positive opportunities and weakened itself in constant civil wars. It was doomed in the face of any competent opposition.

The Romanov as in the family/house as such.

Awful PEOPLE, not persons, as in collectively, they were an ethicomorally corrupt family/house.

Learn to fucking read.

For me Korean empire which destroyed by jap is really sad war crime of history

Sure thing, Jonseon.

Which ones?

The Gorguyeo, Silla, Joseon or Baekje Dynasties? Or are you referring to Gojoseon?

Late Joseon dynasty were dicks and Romanov-tier incompetent to the point that even le Yi Soon Shin was complaining about them.

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The Savoys were (and are) way worse

What do they have to do with Russia?

The Qings literally just abdicated.

There are other Chinese dynasties that werent as lucky.

Palaiologos, dying in the streets along with your soldiers fighting off roaches.

>tfw you will never marry a qt Korean princess

>implying constantine didnt die like bitch trying to escape constantinople with woman clothes

What was so good about Song Dynasty?

Fucking turkroaches

Nobody's going to mention the Bonapartes? Seriously?

It's true that the events surrounding their fall aren't all that sad, but what was lost is what's truly sad, what Europe was robbed of because they fell.

>butthurt greeks

The imperial family established the dynasty through both military conquest and support of the people.

The support and growth of the scholar-literati class. As well as mass expansion of imperial examinations to include people of any economic background.

The development of craftsmanship, economic sophistication, artistic pursuit.

High urbanization starts taking roots, Kaifeng during the Song dynasty starts to resemble a modern bustling metropolitan city.

Social activities diversify, things like poetry club, soccer club, horseriding club, martial arts schools, etc. start popping up all over the place.

It's basically the height of Chinese civilization. And it was way ahead the rest of the world, Europe included.

But everything changed when the Jurchen nation attacked.

>posting the sick man of Europe

Alexander´s empire.

ayy senpai that's a nice monarchy you got there, mind if i join in?

Braganza with Pedro II of Brazil , he was a good guy

He came dancing across the water...

boy fucker

The Solomonic Dynasty of Ethiopia.
The countries of Ethiopia and Eritrea aren't doing so well 40 years later.

>pic By the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, King of Kings of Ethiopia, Elect of God (1892-1975)

>Learn to fucking read.

I did read.

You said

>The Romanov did not deserve to die so gruesomely, but they were awful people, and they were usurpers.

You specified: "die so gruesomely," which is only true for the immediate family who was executed as

The Solomonic Dynasty of Ethiopia.
The countries of Ethiopia and Eritrea aren't doing so well 40 years later.
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>pic By the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, King of Kings of Ethiopia, Elect of God (1892-1975)

Romanovs

The Louis dynasty

>ITT only empire dynasties

Further proof that all Veeky Forums posters (at least in /pol/ and /newpol/ are authoritarian.

Dude fucked up towards the end and paved the way for Commie rebellion.

At their height, Qing rulers were some of the greatest rulers China ever had. Furthermore, their downfall was a slow painful process of a once glorious and powerful nation, being reduced to a giant drug market for Imperialists.

>One of our generals is winning battles?
>Better execute him!
Song logic, everyone.

The fall of the ancien regime Bourbon Dynasty. (not counting the restoration with its constitutional monarchy)

>Royal family imprisoned and treated similar to how the Romanovs would be treated over a century later: repeatedly harassed by guards, humiliated, threatened with death and other torments; at one point one of the king and queen's good friends is murdered and her dead head is brought to the Tower on a pike with the intent to make Marie Antoinette kiss it.
>Louis XVI executed
>Marie Antointette executed
>King's sister executed
>10 year old son violently separated from his mother, aunt and sister, forced to drink and sing revolutionary songs about his father and mother, abused and neglected, abused into accusing his aunt and mother of sexual abuse, finally dies after being left in a cell that was never cleaned for months (he got good treatment in the last weeks of his life, after the fall of Robespierre, but too late to save him)
>Teen daughter watches father be taken away and executed, little brother be taken away and abused, mother be taken away, aunt be taken away, and is left to the mercy of drunk revolutionary male guards who repeatedly harass her and come into her room in the middle of the night for "inspections" and refuse to tell her if her aunt, mother and brother are even alive

If Louis XVI had a backbone he could have pushed his reforms through decades before the revolution, eliminating it as a possibility. Or he could have stamped out the revolution with the force that Louis XIV or XV would have done. But he was so intent on making sure he didn't appear tyrannical that he left himself, and his family, and his monarchy, be ruined.

Did they actually conquer that part of the horn?

>Japan assassinates anti-Japan sphere queen
>Annex country
>Force princesses to marry Japanese dukes; most suicide or live in depression
>Last surviving successor of the Joseon Yi dynasty pressed to become IJA officer; suddenly stationed to Hiroshima just before the A-bombs drop

lmao

Joseon's Yi dynasty was incompetent as fuck I agree. But like what that other user said (most likely Korean), the biggest loss during the annexation was their culture and national treasures, because they were mostly stolen and they are still in Japan's museum. Korean cultural practices (artisans, martial arts, arts in general, etc) were banned and master tradesmen were either silenced or killed. Also, many culturally and historically-significant buildings and sites were looted and/or burned during this period.

As a history autist that spergs out at any instances of historical and cultural losses (e.g. ISIS and Aleppo, China's Cultural revolution, Mongol's sack of Baghdad, et cetera), what the Japanese did boils my blood.

What happens when your Dynasty was founded by a victorious General launching a military coup.

Honestly?

The Safavids

Sah Ismail I (God) and Abbas the Great were based as fuck

>god
buttlasted iranians still did not recover from the assrape that was Selim

What do you mean? Selim defeating Ismail can be seen in the palace of Chehel Sotun, with representations of the prominent events of different Safavids kings (plus Nadir Shah). How many nations are there humble enough to portray themselves being defeated in battle on their own Hall of Fame, even if the defeat is shown as valiant? I'm sure the turks are not amongst them.

Sad indeed specially because they would not let it just die. The joke could've ended when the afghans dethroned Soltan Hosein yet you still have several puppets and claimants used by the actual contenders fighting for power.

I find it funny how the post-Islam Persians had this habit of fucking with everyone around them and having that bite them in the ass hard.

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It continued to be good during Southern Song. In fact, the Song made a lot of profit out of trading with Jin that more than offset the cost of paying tribute to Xi Xia and Jin. They were doing better than ever in the South despite losing Kaifeng. Their government was probably more stable than any other Chinese dynasty prior, there was still a lot of economic and technological development and they were even experimenting with maritime trade.

I feel like the Mongols fucked everything up for China a lot more than the Jurchens. The Jurchens even made some positive contributions in founding public schools, in drama and elsewhere, and Emperor Shizong was pretty competent.

They were the last good Chinese Dynasty. The technological and cultural output of the Song Dynasty was unmatched by any prior or later dynasty. The dynasties after it ranged from mediocre to degenerate.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_of_the_Song_dynasty

The is an family after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Literally were kicked out and into poverty. The guy currently in line to the ottoman throne works at the New York public library

Weren't their exiled followed after decades of misrule though?

>what Europe was robbed of because they fell
The reign of white terror which came to their doorstep anyways? Yeah, they sure got robbed.

>decades
Closer to a few centuries. I can't think of anything the Ottomans did that was worth a damn after the 17th century.

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>The family of Citizen Romanov went into the room and arranged itself across the wall then we entered. Nicholas stood in front of Alexei. As I looked over my comrades' shoulders, I saw Alexei, sickly looking and waxy, watching with wide, curious eyes as he followed our movements. I suddenly thought how very short his sad life had been, and I silently prayed we would all be good shots.

>The shooting was complete chaos. Vyrubova [sic] tried to protect herself with the pillows. After the first shots, I saw Alexei frozen in his chair, and his ashen face was covered with his father's blood as he sat there, unmoving in terror. One of the younger daughters died when she was shot in the back. Comrade Ermakov finished off a daughter by stabbing her in the chest over and over, and I remember Comrade Yurovsky shooting Tatiana in front of me; her head seemed to explode in a shower of blood and brains. The scene was sickening: the room was chaos, with blood and body fluids and brains all over the floor, and several comrades got sick at the sight.

You can marry a qt Korean and treat her like a princess though. :3

Qing may have been a shitty oppressive place to live for peasants, but can a dynasty that doubled the size of the Empire really called mediocre?

This. The French Revolution was a mistake. Now we drown in a sea of Republican propaganda. The enormity of this mistake is being revealed through globalization, which democracy + capitalism inherently promote. Once there were Frenchmen, Chinamen, Spaniards, Brits, Americans, Germans, etc.

All of these people were displaced with "men". What are "men"? Completely meaningless.
youtube.com/watch?v=4h5M78YVN8M

I'm not memeing here, but I genuinely believe that things like neo-reactionaries, fat acceptance people, unironic communists, anarchists and fascists, will all cease to exist once screening for autism and selective abortions become more common.

It can't come soon enough.

>screening for autism
You can't screen for something that is developed through a dysfunctional childhood, you fucking idiot.

Romanovs, Bourbons in France

Habsburgs in Austria personally bum me out the most, though. Based Otto never got to be emperor as he deserved.

youtube.com/watch?v=pMMhfR5i9wA

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Non of them are sad. All royalty deserves to die. Sic semper tyrannis.

They weren't mediocre; they were degenerate. The Ming Dynasty was mediocre.

The Qing undid Ming laws allowing scholars freedom of speech, got rid of arquebuses/muskets, halted all technological progress, strait up destroyed a railroad that the British gifted them, and forced people to get a dumb haircut. Their only redeeming successes were Ten Great Campaigns.

U S A

fuck off cunt

romanov true ruler

soviet kgb scums are the usurper fucks

(((Ermakov)))
(((Yurovsky)))

>got rid of arquebuses/muskets
No?

The reason why the Banner System's initial aim to create racial segregation collapsed was because the military system that was integrated with it neccessitated the Chinese Gunners.

Not to mention Musketry and Cannons were the final solution of the Qing towards the Eternal Mongol during the great campaigns of the 1700s.

The Song dynasty was the dynasty right after the T'ang and the 5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms. Which had major shit happenings occuring thanks to successful popular generals

Though to be fair, its the fault of the T'ang dynasty for creating the rank of Jiedushi.
>GUYS LETS GIVE GENERALS IN THE FAR PROVINCES THE RIGHT TO RAISE PERSONAL ARMIES, COLLECT TAXES, AND MAKE LAWS.
Though to be fair to the T'ang, that did work vs. the Nomadshits.

To be unfair to the T'ang: that's how An Lushan acquired power.

>To be unfair to the T'ang: that's how An Lushan acquired power.

Han Jiedushi were okay. It's when they started handing out power to the Turkic fucking shits things went off the rails.

Trust a Turk, die by mercs.

Hohenzollerns.

Centuries of good to great leadership going back to near the end of the Thirty Years' War, all of it undone in 20 years to be replaced first by Nazis then by fucking Merkel.

>The Ming Dynasty was mediocre.
Really? Based on my cursory knowledge, I always thought the Han, Tang and Ming were the golden ages of imperial China.

God damnit the Mensheviks should have won

Is there a saltier group of people on earth than the Koreans? Holy shit they hate absolutely everybody

>Jap piggu go die! Korea is free!
>Yankee piggu get raped with bayonets! Fuck off!
>Chink piggu suck my dick! Korean culture not influenced by China at all! Die die die die!
>black piggu get out of my grocery store! I call police!

It's the cry of a people with a plastic culture trying to portray themselves as something other than the second coming of Bubble Era Japan.

not to mention their claims of every kingdom in manchuria being korean and the

>hwan empire

meme they have of Korea ruling the world. They are a really butthurt people after centuries of being the bitch of japan and china.

after the experience of the 5 dynasties and 10 kingdoms, the song decision to privilege the civil bureaucrats and severely cripple officers' authority and military autonomy only makes sense. In fact, it might have been the best thing they did. I'd even argue that they made the right decision with Yue Fei. As I stated before, they weren't severely crippled from paying tribute to the Tanguts, Jurchen and others. In fact, they made more than enough money off of trade with these peoples than the cost of tribute.

if they hadn't been conquered by the mongols or some other group, I think the southern song could have endured longer than any other chinese dynasty. It had a lot of good things going for it. It's not considered the height of Chinese civilization by Chinese because they were severely depressed by the loss of the North. If you can push that bit of nationalism aside though, they really did quite well.

You forgot that they hate Russians and North Koreans too

it gets worse

>But Anastasia was still alive, and Marie, too, for as their bodies were carried to a Fiat truck that stood waiting int he courtyard, first one, then the other, suddenly sat up, coughing blood, moaning, screaming. They were outside now, and the men couldn't shoot them; the bayonets came out, slashing through the air, but the knives struck the hidden jewels. And so someone grabbed a rifle, turned it around, and hammered away at the barely conscious faces, driving a the wooden stock down again and again and again. Battered into silence, choking on splintered bone and shattered teeth, drowning in her own blood--this is how Anastasia died.

The real order of culturally advanced/significant East Asian people's is as follows

1. China
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9001. Mongolia/Manchuria
9002. Japan
9003. Vietnam
9000000000000000000000001. Korea

>trusting the will of the nobility in the industrial age
You have forgotten history

You'd think WW1 (shit how about the 30 years war) would have put to bed this stupid 'aristocracy/traditionalism is actually always good!' meme

The problem is that we're still conditioned to view WW2 as the only seismic, apocalyptic, genocidal war in history, when in reality there have been several others. WW2 just happens to be the biggest and most recent

jesus

Nah, the problem is people haven't learned that any tyranny cannot be allowed to rule in the age of industry and nuclear technology. Having a king with nukes is like having a suicidal person with a gas oven or a gun in the house, it's not a good idea.

Infinitely worse happened to plenty of other people during that era, plenty of them suffering at the hands of the tsars loyalists

It's still a horrible thing to have happened, but the way conservatives wail and rend their clothes about it is extraordinarily disingenuous

Honestly my favorite Korea Stronk meme is that it should be spelt Corea (an old English translation of the Italian translation of the Chinese word for Goryeo) and that the Korea spelling is a Japanese conspiracy to place themselves above Korea on lists of countries.

They deserved everything, user.

Fuck off commie

The tsar and his family did literally nothing wrong

>commies wanna kill this

Creamed my pants tbqh famila.

>plenty of them suffering at the hands of the tsars loyalists
Commies murdered x10 times the tzar did.