Why can't pan-slavism work?

You forgot to mention that the German states spoke the same language. There is no pan-slavic language.

Russian :))))))))))

Then Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan can form their own pan-slavic state. Enjoy your massive pan-slavic utopia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interslavic_language
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovio

You're one of those morons who thinks that Esperanto is really going to take off, aren't you?

it's a meme

Interslavic looks like it has potential.

Potential for what? No one speaks it. No one wants to. It's not going to happen.

Slavs are not united by a language. The Germans and Italians were. Panslavism is a pipe dream.

who hates themselves more? sand people or slavs?

>Panslavism is an outgrowth of Russian imperialism.

FTFY

t. Pole

All you need is to try.

Romans were united, Brits are united, the US is united. What special rule prevents Slavs from uniting and creating a Slavic utopian superpower?

>Brits are united
Which is mainly caused by Scots fucking Up their own Economy on a failed colony to the point that They had to bend over to Nigel McAnglo
Even then British Identity is falling apart right now

>Slavic utopian superpower

>All you need is to try.
but why? everyone knows this would end with russification of all slavs

because they don't care about culture ; only themselves

>Romans were united
By conquest.

>Brits are united
By conquest.

>the US is united
By liberalism. And conquest.

I you want panslavism to work you basically want the USSR back. The fucking Russians conquer everything and impose their language and culture. Fuck that.

Your post only proves my point again: there is no pan-slavic culture from which to form a nation. There can only be empire. And for a variety of historical, cultural, political, and religious reasons, it will never work. The Czechs are far more likely to join Germany than Russia. I doubt the Croats or Slovenes would care to join, either.

we could exclude russia from the picture but then we'd end up with huge polefication
we could exclude poles but then we'd end up with ukrainisation
we could exclude ukrainians but then we'd end up with serbofication
we could exclude serbs but then we'd end up with croatification
etc. etc.

beautiful

The USSR hosted many non-slavic states while missing out on certain important slav ones. The Baltics and turkic Kazakhstan were part of the USSR while the soutwest slav Yugoslavia wasn't.

no, because only russia would be powerful enough to succesfuly subjugate another slavic cultures

but then, pretty much only russia wants panslavism

Yes, and?

Because its just similliar language and culture, not same ethnic composition. Who would think that people that dont look the same will not like each other?

Pan-anythingism is always rightist

The USSR wasn't a pan-slavic empire.

>that stealth Ukrainian flag

it doesn't matter
the idea stays the same: the fucking Russians conquer everything and impose their language and culture

Except it's not. Unless you're prepared to argue that, for instance, the EU is a right-wing phenomenon.

it was created as such

So slavs would rather be conquered by the USA instead of Russia?

some of them, probably

So you're an idiot, is what you're saying.

nice argument m9

Does it matter? The question was about pan-slavism. The answer was that it is a pipe-dream based on the notion that Russia conquers all the slavic peoples. Your answer is, "yeah, but that means they weren't conquered by Americans." It's kind of irrelevant to the question, don't you think?

He isn't wrong if you exclude tje British Right
European Nationalists thought they should unite to avoid being Cucked by Soviets and Americans

I'm not the one claiming that the EU is a right-wing phenomenon.

Let's be realistic, the USA doesn't conquer anyone, at worst the memes about evil illuminati financiers might be true, but Poland is developing quite rapidly so it is at least a step up.

Russia is the natural big brother of the slavs and should have guided them after they finally broke free of their abusive father, but basically he's still acting like a vodka swilling douche into his mid 20s while his brothers are trying to sort their lives out. His relationship with the Ukraine has turned sour just because the Ukraine took Poland's advice and enrolled in community college instead of squatting with Russia and Belarus like they usually do. Russia has nothing to offer them, it is his own fault. You can't really blame le evil USA for stepping in. Of course they are going to do so if you give them the opportunity.

So to speak.

united europe is generally right-wing idea

unless you think that nationalism defines right-wing (but that's wrong)

>hosted
In the same way I host the women in my cellar?

post pics plz

Can pan-Caucasianism work?
What about pan-Latino-ism, or pan-Sinicism, or pan-Arabism

Yes, the Vlaams Belang envision a booming pan-European union. As do Jobbik. And Prawo i Sprawiedliwość. And the FPÖ. And Golden Dawn. And Svoboda. Right wing parties are notoriously in favor of pan-European unions.

You say "pan-European union", but you mean "Bring back Grossdeutschland".

they're nationalist, which is not necessarily right-wing
also they're not opposing the idea of united europe, just current eu

The darkness has made them extremely photo-sensitive, so flash photography is out of the question. Sorry, buddy.

Yugoslavia did work for a while, but it collapsed because of bureaucratic corruption and centralisation of power with one group.

As long as each member group feels independant and has an equal share of power, a federal structure could work e.g. EU for slavs.

civic nationalism would be the political ideology, as it was in rome, as it is in current multicultural states.

it is probably impossible seeing as you cant please everyone, and someone will always feel like they are chaffing at the bit of servitide.

i dont buy the argument that different history = impossible union. everyone in the balkans thought of themselves as greek or christian until 200 eyars ago when the ethnic/nationalist identities came into formation.

a loose coalition with no binding legal powers is probably the only possible/desirable thing for regional cohesion at the moment.

Precisely the opposite. "Bring back Großdeutschland" is much more analogous to panslavism than the EU is. And again, panslavism is retarded in that it doesn't even have a common language to rally around.

>until 200 eyars ago
that's also history

>The difference being that there isn't even anything close to being a common political or economic interest between all the Slavic nations, and there never will. If your union isn't based on slavic identity, then what the fuck do you intend to base it on, and still call it pan-slavic?

There is no reason for a pan-slavic union to arise. That's why it never has and never will arise.

Ah fuck. Dunno how that > got there. Too much vodka, am I right?

>I'm slavic and vodka isn't a thing for us

>There is no reason for a pan-slavic union to arise.
Greater Serbia :))
Even greater Russia :))

italians are not united by language

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Italy

"most regional languages in Italy are better classified as separate languages descended independently from Latin, rather than "dialects" of the Standard Italian language.[6][7]

There are several minority languages that belong to other Indo-European branches, such as Cimbrian (Germanic), Arbëresh (Albanian), the Slavomolisano dialect of Serbo-Croatian (Slavic), and Griko (Hellenic)."

Many seem to think that The Romans wiped out other Italic or even Latin groups when they actually didn't

>Greater Serbia
Yep, all Slavs are Serbs. I'll bet you've got a ton of Sorbs and Moravians and Poles hanging out there.

>Even greater Russia
A disease which exists only in the minds of Russians. No one else in the Slavic world wants this or has any reason to join in. Again, this isn't a refutation of the point that there is no reason for a pan-slavic union to arise. You may want it, but you aren't in charge of any major Slavic political group.

A book published in 2010 forecast a new Cold War and the formation of an eastern european millitary block led by Poland in opposition to Russia, and that said block would later help develop Poland into an influential European and then eventually worldwide superpower.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_100_Years

So a pan-slavic union led by a Greater Poland might happen after all.

Did pan~anything ever worked?

Pan-Gaelicism was popular in the 13th and 14th centuries but for obvious reasons it never really panned out

It didn't happen before Christianity, it won't happen now. It could only be an Orthodox Christianity thing these days, which excludes some slavs, and includes some non-slavs.

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Gunna post a few more pictures for ants, courtesy of Reuters.

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L-lewd....

Fuck that. Poles are only slightly better than ruskies.

Years of only eating vodka and tobacco smoke left these 30 year old women looking pretty dry.

Okay, I'm bored, enough slav paganism.

Not only that, but it's much less likely to happen around Orthodoxy than it would if most Slavs were Catholic. Which many are.

We czechs certainly are more likely to join russia. Our society was ridden of most germanic population and identity as was possibly after end of ww2, socialist marx theory supporters are still alive and remembering, not to forget the modern disdained state of germanistan as is widely viewed by most of the population.

The Orthodox Christianity circle can't even get all members to show up for a meeting once every 50 years, let alone wield any meaningful political power.

>thong
Absolutely disgusting.

Most czech people online insist they aren't slavs, and are western leaning germanic type people.
Same as the slovenians, occasionally the croatians, and more rarely the polish.

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I don't have that experience. It's not so much that Czechs don't identify as slavs as much as they don't identify with Eastern Europe. Which is entirely correct. They have nothing in common with Eastern Europe. They were a critical part of the HRE and the Austrian empire, and a thoroughly Catholic country.

And thus, they have no ties at all to Russia, and no reason to join Russia over Germany. This myth only exists in the minds of Russians and Internet panslavists.

>armored robotic battle suits for infantrymen that run on solar power.
The author sounds like an idiot, let's check it...
>George Friedman (born February 1, 1949) is an internationally recognized geopolitical forecaster and strategist on international affairs.
Yep. He is an idiot.

This. Given half a chance Poles rarely forgo a land-grab.

Hey, neighbouring Western Slavic, Catholic Czechoslovakia is being ripped to pieces? Time to grab Zaolzie!

They have the ambitions of Germany with none of the engineering or discipline, and the greed of Russia with none of the resources of manpower.

The mentality is not lacking.

Also look at the Kiev Offensive
They literally started a war, Got beaten up all the way to their capital and managed a victory their and pretend to be victims

Well, desu, fighting the Reds is a commendable endeavour with any pretext. So I wouldn't hold that against them - especially since the part of Ukraine that ended up being Poland fared much better in the Interbellum.

If you want moments of Polacks beings dicks just for the sake of beings Polacks - look at the number they pulled on Vilnius 1920-1922.

Then again - the Lithuanians were cunts in their own right, in annexing Memel... just because, and even occupied the Ilūkste district of what is now Latvia in 1920.

And then, when the local squabbling was done, it was all promptly gobbled up by the Soviets anyway.

it's not like anyone has been cool in first half of 20th century

>euromutt
>have ancestors from various parts of europe (vulgar latin, anglo, celt, hellenic, germanic .. even some ashkenazi)
>no slavs
>:^( damnit!
Is this what getting really into trading card games or pokemon is like? (got, got, need, got, don't want etc)
I am pretty good at squatting though .....

I really quite want to do some form of genetic testing, but that shit is ridiculously expensive to order to Europe. Like $150 + $120 shipping.

Slavs aren't a genetic group but a linguistic one.

Balts share genetics with north-east russians but they're not considered slavs because they don't speak slovo.

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Latvian share more genetically with Estonians than Lithuanians.

Anyway, don't you mean Nort-Western Russians, Novgorod & such?

Because Slavs have fuck all to do with each other apart from speaking slavic languages.

What we call italian is the language spoken in the Piamonte. The difference with the "dialects" can't be compared with that between czech and russian, but it's okay comparing it with the difference between ukranian and russian.

>Anyway, don't you mean Nort-Western Russians, Novgorod & such?
Yeah, my bad.

What is China if not pan-sinicism? Pan-arabism failed exclusively due to external affairs with little relation with pan-arabism that left pan-arabist rulers without prestige.

Sudan joining didn't help, senpai. From what I've read most Arabs aren't too happy to even consider them true Arabs.

>tfw Ivan the Terrible murdered any separate Novgorod culture in 1570, never to recover.

oh look it's another >slavs are a singular hivemind entity episode

Thank you. I'm tired of all those panslavists trying to destroy their own nations for "muh slavic brotherhood"