Who was the most influential person in western civilization since Jesus?

t. Shlomo Rosenblatt

Hope this clarifies things for you.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

That's called Europe you hopeless idiot.

lel the "West" isn't even in the West of your map. Get your brain fixed.

Karolus Magnus

>Greece is in the West

Possibly the worst meme ever.

I mean some obvious ones are Napoleon simply for spreading revolutionary ideals so far, and I don't think a lesser leader could have done as much as him there.

Constantino
Marx
Einsten
Newton
Hitler
João Paulo 2

The only right answer

>voltaire

Napoleon.
That motherfucker changed the world.

Marxism was nothing but a hiccup in history rendered completely irrelevant today.

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probably the most interesting man that ever lived

Constantine the Great

I know Veeky Forums is really politically motivated, but most of history wasn't politics

It was poor people working their asses off for food

Religion is the only centralized thing most everyone took part in

So if it can't be Jesus, it's Constantine

I am glad that Constantine still has the time to post here once on a while.

second

>Et cetera

>Sure there might have been regional denominations and differences but they all would have thought themselves the same.
besides all the regional "denominations" calling eachother heretics?

You're mentally deficient

Columbus

He created the art of shitposting

The writers of the constitution

"West" as in western Eurasia, you dumbass moron.

What about pre-christ?

I say

Plato

Gonna have to second this. His philosophy formed an intellectual basis for how many religions and other philosophies?

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West is for Western Europe Mr Chang.

Europe is just a social construct.

He might be influential, but the most interesting?

I would prefer much more to talk with people Shakespeare, Beethoven, Einstein, Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Democritus and Tolstoy.

If you people have the money, here is your thing:

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This:

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Da Vinci is a fucking meme

I agree with you that he was not good at mathematics; that his “inventions” were mostly fantasy drawings that were not going to work on real life; that his projects of engineering were never successful and were ore ludic playing than real life enterprises; that the fact that he draw plants is already enough for layman to call him a “botanist”, and that every single subject were he showed any interest is, to popular culture, a sure sign that he was accomplished in that.

In short, I agree that he is one of the most overrated people in history.

Yet still, he was one of the best draftsman of all time, made innovations in painting (he perfected the already existing, but still new effect of sfumato), and his anatomic illustrations were greater than anything else in his own time and in many years to come (if published those notes would really make a great impact). He had an omnivorous mind, with a keen interest in a large number of subjects (of course, to say he made significant contributions in all of them is a phantasy), and I think it would be nice to talk to him.

Exactly. Only Western Europe matters.

"The west" and "western Europe" are two different things you retard.

Find ANY survey book on "The west" and it'll probably start with ancient Greece.

Any serious historian (and in fact anyone with half a brain who has given this any thought) considers ancient Greece and the West to be separate civilisations. This is really basic stuff.

Jesus was during the time of Augustus too

This lazy faggot

Nebuchadnezzar II or Hammurabi

As America is the center of the world in this century and later half of the last century, this is the new map.

Name me some "serious historians" because almost everything I've ever heard about "the west" considers the Greeks the foundation of western civilization.

Literally anyone who studies civilisations, from Spengler to Toynbee to pic related.

i know he was a great commander, but how did he change the world outside of his military campaigns?

Not the other guy, but "the west" and the greek/roman are very different.

The west is mostly an invention of the enlightenment era.

You serious?

He spread the French Revolution across the world. He's the reason almost every country defines itself as a nation-state founded on a constitution with principles of democracy and human rights. His codex is the basis for the legal systems of most countries in the world. His conquests and nation-building directly caused the revolutions and nationalist movements of the 19th century and defined the Modern Era. Not to mention he's the reason almost everyone uses the metric system and drives on the right side of the road. And he did a whole bunch of other random shit on the side like inventing Egyptology.

Dude what, the West as an independent civilisation was born in the Middle Ages.

Middle Age was mainly a remnant of the old system. A decadent roman empire emulation.

The enlightenment era is where the current western civilization, moral, standards, customs come from.

That's completely wrong. What you said might apply to the Carolingian Empire, certainly not after.

Our civilisation and our morals are based on Western Catholicism, our customs come from medieval codes of chivalry and courtesy, and our science, philosophy, music, and art all date back to the Middle Ages as well.

Mycenaean civilization was already very different than Egyptian or Mesopotamian civilization by the time of the Bronze Age.

You can't discount cultural developement during that period.

...o-ok?

Our moral system has been changing over to secular system since the enlightenment. Catholocism was the old system. The scientific revolution changed the cultural, the scientific, the political and the personal morals of the west.

All Western "secular" morality is just Christian morality under a different name. Typically the more anti-Christian they are on the surface, the more Christian they are in spirit, like socialism for example. Just like how Western science is still shaped by the Catholic world view that led to its birth (the scientific revolution began in the 14th century at medieval universities), and how Western politics are based on principles like the Western concepts of nation and state or individual rights and liberties, which all first appeared in the Middle Ages (see the French nation-state in the 13th century or the Magna Carta in England).

It"ll be back. It's just in slumber.

Christian morality is stoning people to death. See middle east for "christian morality"

They didn't have the scientific revolution/enlightenment era the west did. This is basically what "the western" moral you're talking about.

Your view is tinted. If you are looking from a Christian perspective, everything is "christian"-like.

However if you're interested in facts, please discard your naive delusion.

Stoning is practiced by Jews and Muslims, never by Christians. You're retarded.

This post has no content. You have to be completely blind not to see how socialist morality is pure Christian morality. This isn't even controversial.

>However if you're interested in facts, please discard your naive delusion.

You have to be 18 to post here.

> socialist morality is pure Christian morality
No shit! They both just basic human moral values with they special snowflake brand slapped in.

What you call "basic human moral values" is Christian values, invented by Christianity. You've just been so immersed in them your whole life that they seem obvious and universal to you. But to a pre-Christian pagan who would routinely kill, rape, or mutilate slaves or watch people kill each other or get eaten by lions for entertainment, they very much weren't.

Chinese still have Chinese laws pre-Christian. They have never have followed Christian values yet they seem to be compatible with modern values.

>His codex is the basis for the legal systems of most countries in the world.
You mean Justinian's law code, which he based his codex off of.

Not really, China just gets Westernised like the rest of the world.

No, I mean Napoleon's codex, which is the one that was actually put into practice and spread across the world. Most of the countries in the world have civil law because of Napoleon, not because of Justinian.

Confucias had law and order as much as Christians. China follows that mostly these days.

Wtf are you christcucks talking about the gladiators were not an everyday occurrence or spread throughout the empire. Do you seriously believe there was no concept of empathy before christ?

We were talking about morality, not law and order.

If you want to talk about law, there are two Western systems: common law, which is medieval, and civil law, which is Napoleonic although inspired from medieval interpretations of Justinian's codex. The law is defined by the parliament, which again is a medieval institution. As for the Western judicial system, its central aspect is the method of determining a verdict through investigation (that is collecting evidence and testimonies), a method that comes from the Catholic Inquisition, again a medieval institution.

Almost everything that defines the West comes from the Middle Ages. The Enlightenment was just a development in an already very much existing civilisation.

Gladiator fights and other human sacrifices in the arena happened all the time, yes. Empathy existed, universal empathy didn't.

Agreed.

The correct answer to OP's question is Paul of Tarsus.

Dude took an obscure Jewish death cult and transformed it into the world's dominant religion.

Jesus as we know him today was basically created by Paul.

Jesus was hugely important, although only thanks to Paul. But we don't know him through Paul, we know him through the gospels, which were written by the apostles.

>Jewish death cult
babby tier fedorism

Christians killed every almost every living person Muslim, Jew, and Christian in Jerusalem when they took it for the first time during the first Crusade.

>gospels were written by the apostles

Are you serious? You think that the gospel of John was literally written by Jesus' disciple John? How retarded are you?

>babby tier fedoraism
>muh fedora-ism

Pre Paulian "christianity" was most definitely a fringe, obscure death cult.

What exactly do you find so 'fedora' about that?

DUDE CHRISTIANS LMAO

That's total bullshit. Most Muslims were killed. Some survived. The Jews and most definitely the Christians were not massacred.

Always the same tired old myths on this board.

Yes you idiot, who do you think told the story of Jesus if not people who knew him? Paul never even met him.

>What exactly do you find so 'fedora' about that?
Your complete misunderstanding for the most basic fact of Christianity that it is the literal polar opposite of a death cult.

Many Muslims sought shelter in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock, and the Temple Mount area generally. According to the Gesta Francorum, speaking only of the Temple Mount area, "...[our men] were killing and slaying even to the Temple of Solomon, where the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles..." According to Raymond of Aguilers, also writing solely of the Temple Mount area, " in the Temple and porch of Solomon men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins." Writing about the Temple Mount area alone Fulcher of Chartres, who was not an eyewitness to the Jerusalem siege because he had stayed with Baldwin in Edessa at the time, says: "In this temple 10,000 were killed. Indeed, if you had been there you would have seen our feet coloured to our ankles with the blood of the slain. But what more shall I relate? None of them were left alive; neither women nor children were spared".[

I mean the Christians were bragging about this slaughter.

So where's the part about the Jews and Christians?

Jews had fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend the city, and as the Crusaders breached the outer walls, the Jews of the city retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death".[24] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[25] A contemporary Jewish communication confirms the destruction of the synagogue, though it does not corroborate that any Jews were inside it when it was burned.[26] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[27] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[27] Additional documentation from the Cairo Geniza indicates that some Jews held captive by the Crusaders were able to escape when the Ascalon Jewish community paid a ransom.

>Is metaphysics possible?
>synthetic a priori
>categorical imperative
>perpetual peace
>sapere aude
>the triumph of secular reason

So a Muslim chronicle says the Crusaders killed the Jews, while a Jewish letter written at the time doesn't. Gee I wonder which is more reliable. And either way this completely disprove your statement that "every single Jew" was killed.

And still nothing about the Christians.

Pretty much all our ethics, philosophy, science, culture, and politics is Christian.

Fuck off to tumblr if you disagree.

Martin Luther. Also, how did people differentiate those with the same first name and birthplace? For example if there was another Jesus raised in Nazareth, what would he be referred to as?

Why don't fuck back off to /pol/, because that shit is mostly false

As I see the thread has derailed a little bit

Now I can't say who's wrong or right but, if the western civilization is a product of the enlightment then OP's question was wrong in the first place since he considered people after Christ (way before than the enlightment).
If OP's question was more focused on the "christian part" of western culture, Emperor Constantine is a good choice since he granted freedom of religious practice to the christians.