So this shit pretty much wouldn't have happened had France not been all "muh colonies," right?

Indochina had been a colony of France since the mid 19th century.Vichy turned it over to Japan.

After the War, France was handed Indochina, to resume their colony.

The French weren't "blown the fuck out".
After the surrender at Dienbienphu, the French decided it wasn't worth it anymore.

The US - backed South Vietnamese government was created after the French departed in good order.

Many French veterans wrote to the Pentagon during our war with advice on what not to do.

They were ignored.

We made the same mistakes.

What about the arrogance and incompetence of the USA, especially after WWII?

That does not change the fact that we supported Ho during WWII.
The OSS and military Intel were in-country during the fight against Japan.

Read the outstanding book "Embers of War" by Fredrik Loge valley.

I was just pointing out the fact that this statement:
>Abandoned by the west, Ho turned to the USSR
Is wrong. Ho was already on their side and had been for a very long time.

>Read the outstanding book "Embers of War" by Fredrik Loge valley.
This is absolutely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Ho wasn't an ally by any means. He was a co-belligerent.

>believing american propaganda trying to "we dindu nufin blame dem mufuckin french"

Not during WWII.

Fredrik Logevall's book is all about this very subject, and has everything to do with the subject.

How fought against Japan and the USA supported his Viet Minh against our enemy. I don't care that he was a Communist, so was the USSR.

>Not during WWII
Over a decade before WWII.

>How fought against Japan and the USA supported his Viet Minh against our enemy
So was the USSR. They weren't our ally.

> I don't care that he was a Communist, so was the USSR.
And the USSR wasn't our ally so keep shilling your horse apples, comrade.

>What about the arrogance and incompetence of the USA, especially after WWII?

>achieve global hegemony
>be called incompetent by neckbeard commies on an anime imageboard

It's like saying Rome was incompetent because Hannibal fucked them up a few times. Context and perspective is important. Without them you end up with a very narrow world-view and believe stupid ass shit.

>lose conventional pitched battle to a non-state actor, with tens of thousands of dead
>not BTFO

Sorry, brah.

>They weren't our ally.
They definitely were. Uneasy allies, sure, but definitely allies.

>They definitely were
They definitely were not. They were co-belligerents.

That's not accurate. We supported them economically, politically, and logistically to the fullest extent during the war.

>We supported them economically, politically, and logistically to the fullest extent during the war
That doesn't make us allies by any means. That just means that we were helpful co-belligerents instead of individual co-belligerents. There's a reason that no academic literature places the Vietminh or the Soviets into the Allies. They weren't allies. They were co-belligerents. That's why it is always: The Allies and the Soviet Union. Even during WWII it was referred to as such.

>USSR not an ally during WWII
Say wut m8?

See Not an ally.

>give money and arms
>cooperatively invade and destroy a country
>not allies

>>achieve global hegemony
>then get memed on by a bunch of rice farmers with AKs
yeh okey bred

Decolonisation was a mistake and a tragedy. None of these countries were ready for independence.

>Memed by rice farmers with AKs
That would be true if there were any US soldiers in South Vietnam when the North invaded again in 1975, which there weren't

>>then get memed on by a bunch of rice farmers with AKs
We didn't completely destroy them so we got "memed on"? Anti-American commies really are stupid as fuck.

>revisionisting this hard
lmao lmao lmao no doubt no doubt no doubt
memed on, owned on, and cucked on, by a bunch of skinny fat BITCHES inna jungle, straw hats and chinese K's
"america"
more like
nerds
lmao

Like they could support the colonies after the Pandora box has been open.

And the natives could?

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>everyone who disagrees with me is shitposting
when will this meme finally die

It was better to cut the burden and let them deal with the issues (and still run the show in the background).

Like for France how would the voting and government change to accommodate the interests of the colonials?

>Implying there were no Paris Peace accords
wowzers dude

there were no Paris Peace accords.

Considering that Vietnam fought for their independence and had been requesting aid in the endeavor for decades prior, I'd say they were pretty damn ready for it.

What do you mean? As far as i know, Vietnam was in a civil war state.
It was the USA that decided(once again) to interfere in the history of another country.

It's like a sixteen year old saying she's ready to be independent. Just because she wants it doesn't mean she is ready for the responsibility. Judging by the political and economic situation I have a hard time seeing how they were ready.

Vietnam would've turned communist sooner if France didnt oppose it for a decade after WW2
And since the US were already busy with Korea, the Vietnam War would indeed have probably not happened

They're not that bad off. Probably the most benevolent communist regime on the planet at the moment.

Eventually we took their advice to retreat though

It wouldn't have happened if the french had done something genuine unfrench and put a competent commander at the head of their forces

>implying Germany and the Soviet Union were allies between '39 and '41
Lad...

Islamic Terrorism?

If not France then one of the other powers that be would have.

Vietnam War memes on Veeky Forums and /k/

1. We never really tried!
2. HCM wasn't even a communist!
3. We could have nuked them!
4. They were about to surrender!
5. We didn't lose! It was the Democrats stopping the funding!
6. We signed the Paris Peace treaty! That proves we won!
7. McDonald's in Hanoi = Victory
8. Muh Kill/Death ratio!
9. We stopped the spread of Communism!
10. Vietnamese people are pro-American so we won in the long-run!

I think the Americans militarily blew out the North Vietnamese overall but were misguided in fighting an insurgency and were not pursuing policies that were turning over the hearts and minds of the local populace

Always find it funny when fellows Brits bring up the Malayan Emergency and say "haha we're so much better than Murikkka" when they aren't really comparable.

>and were not pursuing policies that were turning over the hearts and minds of the local populace

You seem to think Commie governments that control extensive territory aren't good at propaganda, especially within that territory.

What the fuck are you talking about? The Americans were not as effective in turning the population to their side as the North was, yes that's what I said, what's wrong with you you fucking cunt?

You imply by "misguided" that America could have done a lot better than it did in Vietnam by "winning hearts and minds."

When anyone with half a brain knows that we were never going to beat the Communists at that. Most Vietnamese simply saw the North as liberators and the Southern government as Colonial traitors.

What country are you from you dumb cunt, you need to fucking learn to read proper English

no they didn't, the communists were notoriously brutal in the their treatment of people and committed lots of massacres that don't receive anywhere near the amount of publicity that american atrocities have. there was even a mass movement of people from north to south after vietnam was divided. unfortunately the us was unwilling to invade the north.

America went there to try (and fail) to destroy the independent communist government. It had nothing to do with France.